prostitution should be legal... shouldn't it?

[donjuanapprentice01]

There's a poster by the name of Spider_007 on here.

He has been paying for snatch ever since he was 19 years old, nothing wrong with that in my book.

I am 25 years old (26 next Monday) and I have yet gotten laid. I'm completely lousy with women, so as the days and weeks go on, I'm moving more towards "paying" for it than bothering with the hassles of getting it for free.

The only thing is that, if I pay for it, I want the total package. I don't want to just go and do it, I want a whole sensual experience. I want to have a "girlfriend" for the time I spend with her. I want the kisses, the massages, the whole kit and caboodle. They have escorts that provide a Girlfriend Experience, so I guess that's what I'm looking at. But, they cost somewhere around $300 and up per hour, and I'd like something that lasts a few hours, not just 1. So, that gets really expensive.

Nevertheless, it's something I'm considering due to my age and me still being a virgin.

 

[Mission]

This is unreal.
You guys are actually arguing about which would be cheaper, a hooker or a date.
Let's face it, a hooker is a scourge on society, this is not about how much it costs, or how easy it is. The reason it is illegal is because it is an immoral thing to preach, and because prostitutes are often abused, addicted to drugs, or experiencing horrible mental illness as a result.
Some women even get forced into the sex trade, these people have horrible lives, and for anyone to even think for a moment that it would be ok to take advantage of someone like that in the most demeaning fashion is awful.

--Mission

 

[S1NN3R]

Let's face it, a hooker is a scourge on society, this is not about how much it costs, or how easy it is.

Hookers are not a scourge, just look at places that it's legal. Illegal street-walkers are a problem because it's illegal and because of that, there's no way to keep it safe. In places that it's legal (such as any county in Nevada below a certain population point, I believe it's 100K residents), there are no prostitute killings, there are no drugged up prostututes (at least, no in the brothels where they are tested weekly), and there has not been ONE SINGLE case of an STD transferred by a prostitute to a customer. Where it is illegal, it still happens but without proper safety enforcement, without generating revenue for the state, and without a safe and secure place to do it.

The reason it is illegal is because it is an immoral thing to preach

No offense, but fvck your morals. You have no right to tell me that something I would do with someone else completely and totally out of sight and effect of others and that affects no one else besides me and that person is in any way immoral. You have your morals, and you are more than welcome to live your life based on those morals, but the second you try to tell someone else how to live based or YOUR morals, YOU become a scourge on society in my eyes.

and because prostitutes are often abused, addicted to drugs, or experiencing horrible mental illness as a result.

You have got it backwards. Women who are abused, addicted, mentally ill or any other condition of life often turn to prostitution because it can seem like the only thing they have left in their life to try to sustain themselves. Prostitution is like marijuana, it didn't hurt a soul until it became illegal, then by artificially attaching the criminal stigma to it, it began to attract the criminal element. Prostitution is legal in Canada, most all of Europe including England, France, Wales, Denmark, etc., most of South America, most of Mexico, most all of Asia, Iran, Israel, Australia, New Zealand, and many more that I just don't have time to type out. It's actually legal in most of the world besides the US. So why is it that the US is the only place that you find the mental image of a cracked up hooker getting beaten in an alley?

There have also been studies that indicate that some countries with legal prostitution have considerably lower rapes among the general population. It doesn't prove that legal hookers help lower the rape rate, but many psychologists involved in the study think that it helps because rape is committed for one of two reasons, anger or desperation, and prostitution can help nearly eliminate the desperation cases because anybody can get laid at any time, so the supposed need to rape a woman just to get sex is gone.

 

[Mission]

No offense, but fvck your morals. You have no right to tell me that something I would do with someone else completely and totally out of sight and effect of others and that affects no one else besides me and that person is in any way immoral. You have your morals, and you are more than welcome to live your life based on those morals, but the second you try to tell someone else how to live based or YOUR morals, YOU become a scourge on society in my eyes.

I am not telling you how to live based on my morals. Ever heard of a word, "taboo", that basically means something that is not acceptable by the AVERAGE PERSON'S STANDARDS.
Honestly, I do not care if you want to go out and pay a woman for sex, it doesn't affect me at all, it just leaves the quality girls for me. I still think it is hilarious however, that you find it perfectly acceptable to PAY a woman to HAVE SEX WITH YOU. I don't really care if it kills desperation, there is a reason that horribly ugly, anti-social people are not getting laid, that reason is called NATURAL SELECTION. Do you understand that the reason we have obesity, the reason we have ugliness, the reason we have mentally ill, is because there is no such thing as natural selection anymore. You can be saved of nearly everything these days barring some of the worst diseases.
This planet gets more and more ****ed up every day, and it is people like you that think all your problems can be solved by dropping a few bills that **** it up so bad. At least I can sit here comfortably and find a reasonable, acceptable solution to my problems, instead of paying my way through life. Silver spooners maker me fvcking sick.

--Mission

 

[Consent]

Do you understand that the reason we have obesity, the reason we have ugliness, the reason we have mentally ill, is because there is no such thing as natural selection anymore. You can be saved of nearly everything these days barring some of the worst diseases.
At least I can sit here comfortably and find a reasonable, acceptable solution to my problems, instead of paying my way through life. Silver spooners maker me fvcking sick.

I understand what you're saying with regards to ugliness and mentally ill etc, but social skills is not a trait for natural selection. I mean, a person can learn to have better social skills. So just because someone has poor social skills doesn't mean they should be "phased out" by evolution.

 

[Phyzzle]

Honestly, I do not care if you want to go out and pay a woman for sex,

Bingo.

So despite this "scourge on society" talk you were giving before, you still think it should be legal. So it's unanimous, and there's nothing left to discuss.
~Phyzzle

 

[FatHairyM4F]

Well as a horribly ugly anti-social guy, I find prostitution to be not only a good thing, but vitally necessary! And whether abuse/addictions/mental illness lead to prostitution or vice versa? I dont care which came first the chicken or the egg, I still eat both. Okay, that analogy didn't make any sense.....uhhh, FIGHT THE POWER!!! :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

 

[Mission]

No I do not think it should be legal, I am morally objected to it. Not that it counts for anything, I simply think that not only does prostitution make the whole courting process far to easy, but like I said it adds to the dimishment of natural selection.

Consent: Yes fair enough the comment that you can change your social habits. What I was meaning was more along the lines of people with mental illness which cause them to be anti-social and they cannot do anything about it.

--Mission

 

[SELF-MASTERY]

Well as a horribly ugly anti-social guy, I find prostitution to be not only a good thing, but vitally necessary! And whether abuse/addictions/mental illness lead to prostitution or vice versa? I dont care which came first the chicken or the egg, I still eat both. Okay, that analogy didn't make any sense.....uhhh, FIGHT THE POWER!!! :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

:nono: lol at you. Talk about honesty.

 

[SELF-MASTERY]

I think that it should be decriminalized and the chicks should have to get a license with mandatory health screenings. Street walking should be 100% illegal (we have to maintain some sort of decorum), but escorts/ call girls and brothels that have more than one girl have to be in a commercial zone, and not next door to me.

 

[Delta]

No I do not think it should be legal, I am morally objected to it. Not that it counts for anything, I simply think that not only does prostitution make the whole courting process far to easy, but like I said it adds to the dimishment of natural selection.

Consent: Yes fair enough the comment that you can change your social habits. What I was meaning was more along the lines of people with mental illness which cause them to be anti-social and they cannot do anything about it.

--Mission

you are morally objected to it eh? i find your commitment to the amoral, pre-human notion of natural selection to be morally objectionable.

it's wierd - you seem to have the sexual morality of a born againer but you're espousing darwinistic concepts too.

thanks for being an example: yours is the type of SINK OR SWIM attitude that i find not only unnecessary but un-understandable.

and your reasoning doesn't make a lick of sense to begin with:

natural selection blah blah blah - DON'T FING WORRY ABOUT IT! I"M SURE NOBODY IS LOOKING TO FING PROCREATE AND PASS ALONG THEIR GENETIC MATERIAL WITH A PROSTITUTE! if natural selection is your concern, it is a completely moot point here!

and if you're gonna do a hard push on the darwinism - heck, let's get rid of ALL THE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T MAKE DO WITHOUT A HAND UP shall we?

- no more welfare - poor families go straight to the furnaces.
- absolutely no mentally ill or retarded. if they can't hold down a job and contribute to society - straight to the furnaces. natural selection is about getting rid of individuals that cannot compete. they CERTAINLY CAN'T.
- certainly no handicapped. if they can't even get about, well, they certainly don't deserve to take up our precious space and oxygen.

and your argument is not at all well thought through man-

human society is ALL ABOUT RESISTING NATURAL SELECTION - it is ALL ABOUT making sure that the weak is not CRUSHED OUT OF EXISTENCE BY THE STRONG.

and that is not a sign of "backwardness" but of PROGRESS.

if we were like other animals, ALL MANNER OF US WOULD BE PROMPTLY SHIPPED OFF TO THE FURNACES.

so i very much deny the validity of your 'natural selection', thank you very much.

so having dispensed with the whole natural selection debacle of an argument, let's get specific then - WHY *EXACTLY* DO YOU FIND IT MORALLY OBJECTIONABLE EH?

delta

p.s. and prostitution is absolutely ESSENTIAL for segments of society for whom sexuality would be denied them COMPLETELY without - the aforementioned mentally ill and retarded and handicapped. SERIOUSLY, what about them?! by virtue of their affliction, are they to be simply denied that aspect of life? they simply don't deserve it eh? oh yeah, forgot... straight to the furnaces right?

 

[Delta]

also, if we make prostitution LEGAL, we can REGULATE IT. meaning, we can control the circumstances in which women get into it... no more human slavery, no more underage girls getting sold into it, etc.

LEGALIZATION would cease to make it a scourge.... and only those who decided for themselves to pursue it would seek it out.

AND, it might even change the status and social perception of the women and profession as well... if they are the ANGELS OF MERCY who are the saving grace of desperate men, then are they not doing humanitarian work?

sure, it sounds kinda silly when taken in context of just horny desperate afcs (but even then, in our blackest moments, not that silly) but when we consider again the mentallly ill, retarded, handicapped, etc. they REALLY ARE doing noble, altruistic work aren't they?

again, the fact that prostitution was associated with religious temples in ancient cultures... they may have had something there.

delta

p.s. hang in there djapprentice01 - i lost it around my 29th birthday and i had pretty desperate thoughts about what i'd do if i didn't lose it before 30. lost it to a girl i met on match. i got almost no comfort to offer except to say that i've been there.

 

[Chosen1]

also, if we make prostitution LEGAL, we can REGULATE IT. meaning, we can control the circumstances in which women get into it... no more human slavery, no more underage girls getting sold into it, etc.

LEGALIZATION would cease to make it a scourge.... and only those who decided for themselves to pursue it would seek it out.

AND, it might even change the status and social perception of the women and profession as well... if they are the ANGELS OF MERCY who are the saving grace of desperate men, then are they not doing humanitarian work?

sure, it sounds kinda silly when taken in context of just horny desperate afcs (but even then, in our blackest moments, not that silly) but when we consider again the mentallly ill, retarded, handicapped, etc. they REALLY ARE doing noble, altruistic work aren't they?

again, the fact that prostitution was associated with religious temples in ancient cultures... they may have had something there.

delta

p.s. hang in there djapprentice01 - i lost it around my 29th birthday and i had pretty desperate thoughts about what i'd do if i didn't lose it before 30. lost it to a girl i met on match. i got almost no comfort to offer except to say that i've been there.

hey, there are good reason and bad reasons to have legal prostitution. I personally finding it dehumanizing and beneath my standards to hire a prositute but what is the difference between the man who is rich enough to get any women and the man who can only afford a trip to taco bell my answer is that they are the same

 

[BlackJackal]

Hey if a man gotta pay his way too get sex then you gotta do what you gotta do. But yet, and honestly not too brag at all, but I never ever dated in my life and still had sex without paying for nothing. I think dating is corny and I should'nt have too pay or feed a girl just too get to know her.

Most I do is just kick it with them, and be real about my intentions. Whatever happens, happens after that.

 

[( . )( . )]

It is legal isnt it? Who here has taken an un-nailed b!tch out to dinner etc etc back in the AFC days? I never see police arresting guys at the restaurant, did any of you guys?......although they should be. I'd like to see a 50$ on the spot fine dealt out to any loser who forks out a single cent to any un-nailed, worth yet to be proven chick.

Ohhh you meant the "other" type of prostitution? Yeah sure if ones legal why not the other.

On a side note I've just realised I respect a man who pays for straight up sex leaps and bounds above the other type who sneakily tries the backdoor diversion method.

 

[Mission]

This argument is going nowhere, so I concede with this. I do not believe in prostitution as it is the abuse of another person, no matter how you slice it or dice it, it is abuse, because a prostitute will do anything for the right price. Secondly, I find it sickening that a group of males who log onto this site, which for the most part attempts to promote a healthy growth of an individual so that they may discover their true potential, find it acceptable to pay a woman for sex. If you are on this site trying to look for advice to help you with women, prostitution should not even be an option.

Delta: There is a huge difference between something being done now that is morally objectable, and something I say being morally objectable. You can disagree with me all you want, that is fine and I support a good argument. However I AM NOT stepping up to the plate and saying "yes, the solution to all the worlds problems is to kill off the weak and let natural selection take its course" I am simply pointing out that we have a huge population crisis due to the lack of natural selection. We may be human but truly we are just incredibly intelligent mammals, not a far cry from an ape. Like I said, I do not morally object to you SAYING prostitution should be legal. I morally object to prostitution as it is, and believe we should take necessary steps to get rid of it.

--Mission

 

[Delta]

that's fine mission.

but as i said, most guys don't go to prostitutes to CREATE CHILDREN!!!

your natural selection argument DOES NOT APPLY! do you not see that?

delta

p.s. i think you're making the mission of this site too lofty... VERY FEW of us would be here if we didn't want to simply GET LAID and/or GET LAID MORE OFTEN. and i think this discussion about how prostitution and the SATIATING QUALITY it brings to be much more on topic than anything like "true potential"....

 

[JonJack]

This argument is going nowhere, so I concede with this. I do not believe in prostitution as it is the abuse of another person, no matter how you slice it or dice it, it is abuse, because a prostitute will do anything for the right price. Secondly, I find it sickening that a group of males who log onto this site, which for the most part attempts to promote a healthy growth of an individual so that they may discover their true potential, find it acceptable to pay a woman for sex. If you are on this site trying to look for advice to help you with women, prostitution should not even be an option.

Let's slice it or dice it this way then. Prostitution revolves around the people involved in the 'business'. The pimps, the prostitutes, the clients, and so on. In an illegal sense, prostitution is extremely detrimental as it encourages the smuggling or entrapment of poor girls. In the legal sense, prostitution is just like any other service business.

Therefore, it would be obviously considered abuse in the illegal sense. Ask the poor girl if she feels she's being abused, and she'll probably tell you that she is. Ask the legal prostitute (who has chosen on her free will to become a ho) if she feels she's being abused, and she'll probably say that she's not. I doubt the client and pimp will ever feel they're being abused.

Thus, the question of whether or not prostitution is abuse lies with the people involved in it. Only through the eyes and feelings of those that are directly involved with prostitution will you get an accurate idea of what prostitution really is.

It is perfectly fair for you to have your negative opinions on prostitution. However, do not form an opinion on it based on what you think you know about it. The reality of it all could very well be something totally different.

Lastly, acquiring the services of a prostitute does not prevent a guy from reaching their true potential. Because their true potential is never general and never similar with all other guys. Besides, what is so sacred with sex anyway?

 

[Delta]

aha,

right, thanks jonjack - and that was the point of my thread in the first place:

DONTCHA THINK IT'S EASIER TO BE A PUA when you have access to it anytime you want like in the old west.

delta

 

[Ace of Flames]

Lol, we've come full circle there Delta.

I pretty much have nothing to add to this thread, as I agree with everyone cept Mission, and I think everything that matters has been said. Therefore, I shall now say something entirely random to end my post and close out this thread.

Fuzzy Wuzzy was a snatch. Fuzzy Wuzzy had a big patch. Then Fuzzy Wuzzy shaved his patch, so the snatch wasn't so fuzzy now was he?