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[Johnny Soporno]

Its easy to talk tough online. I bet you 100,000 thousand dollars you would never talk to me like that face to face.:box:

My street address is 77 Carlton St, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, (post code M5B 2J7) and I'm here in town 'til the 12th of February. After that I'm returning to LA for a few days, then I'm speaking at the Superconference in Las Vegas on the 22nd to 24th.

Just tell me where you'd like to meet, and I'll make time for this!
Bring the 100 grand, and prepare to be publicly humiliated again, LooksDumb.


Whenever I say ANYTHING, I stand behind it - and I never need to hide from anyone, ever.


I'm not the one whose lack of maturity has made him a laughing-stock online, YOU DID THIS TO YOURSELF!

I'm more than happy to take your dad's money from you while giving you the sh!t you deserve, and you know what? I'll give it ALL back to your father, if he'll agree to take away your 'net privileges for a month.

Kids are SO cute at your age....

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

 

[Johnny Soporno]

All it takes is masculinity. In my case my masculinity is such that no woman ever doubts it. I’m not going to post my picture but here is a statue that very much has a masculinity on the order of mine.

http://www.sandowmuseum.com/rome.jpeg

Potato, there are two males in the sculpture in this photo? Which one is displaying your masculinity, the guy getting the bl0wj0b or the guy giving it?

Johnny Soporno

 

[lookyoung]

My street address is 77 Carlton St, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, (post code M5B 2J7) and I'm here in town 'til the 12th of February. After that I'm returning to LA for a few days, then I'm speaking at the Superconference in Las Vegas on the 22nd to 24th.

Just tell me where you'd like to meet, and I'll make time for this!
Bring the 100 grand, and prepare to be publicly humiliated again, LooksDumb.


Whenever I say ANYTHING, I stand behind it - and I never need to hide from anyone, ever.


I'm not the one whose lack of maturity has made him a laughing-stock online, YOU DID THIS TO YOURSELF!

I'm more than happy to take your dad's money from you while giving you the sh!t you deserve, and you know what? I'll give it ALL back to your father, if he'll agree to take away your 'net privileges for a month.

Kids are SO cute at your age....

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

lol you what kind of meet up are we talking about? If this is a debate about woman or one of your stupid seminars than no thanks.

If you want to get it on like men we can do that like men.

I will tell you what we can do it in a cage and we can telivise. I know some promoters here in town and I would be glad to take you on. PM me if your serious. Hell we could be good guys and do it for charity. Don't worry I will take it easy on you. I won't kill you or anything we will be doing it for a good cause.

Talk is cheap. PM ME IF YOUR SERIOUS. We will announce it on sosuave and all your fans could see how alpha you are.:cheer:

 

[L777]

Some serious morons on here. I don't like to use the term 'haters'....but I think its quite fitting of this situation.

 

[LeComteDeMonteCristo]

Some serious morons on here. I don't like to use the term 'haters'....but I think its quite fitting of this situation.

This is what happens when you have weak and unfocused moderation. Trolls such as lookyoung are able to rack up hundreds of garbage posts without being banned and to freely bait decent posters until they no longer want to return here.

 

[reset]

Potato, there are two males in the sculpture in this photo? Which one is displaying your masculinity, the guy getting the bl0wj0b or the guy giving it?

Johnny Soporno

:crackup:

Potato you are just here to have fun and cause trouble. It's very cute sweetie.

Johnny I've been watching the videos and they've given me a lot to think about, I appreciate that they are up there.

One thing you seem to have that I have struggled with is a total absence of jealousy and having expectations of women. Jealousy and wanting to hold onto a girl has been a big hurdle for me, but I'm hoping to eliminate it.

Do you think that comes from multiple experiences with women, or just self-confidence? In the videos you say you grew up without much of a concept of monogamy anyway. Did you EVER have those feelings of jealousy and posessiveness?

 

[DJVladdy]

LookYoung, who are you trying to fool, bro. You are 31 years old - there are high school kids more mature than you are. You are obviously jealous of the guy and try to justify your jealousy of putting him down.

Wow buddy, you know that in a civilized discussion or argument, Johnny would DESTROY and humiliate your underdeveloped ass. Go back to daddy and ask him for some more money, its a real manly thing to do, you know.

You try to pick a fight with the guy, okay go ahead punch him and you'll end up in jail for a little bit, its okay, it would be a good experience for you - got your $hit pushed in lately? Jamal and Jesus will take care of it for you buddy

Dumb ass niggaz like you make me sick, you don't like the guy, then say it like a human being, not like a money trying to throw verbal feces, if that's the case, go to the zoo into an available cage, im sure they'll arrange that for u. OR act and talk like a man, and have reponsibility for your words.

 

[potato]

Sorry, you've completely lost me with this? Do you have a criticism of my 'Stripper Fu' upon which you would care to elaborate, since I can see nothing erroneous or inconsistent within what you've quoted me here as posting? This has been my standard and consistent method

This is exactly what I noticed.

When I first started posting on these seduction sites I somewhat hoped that I would encounter other men who experienced women as I do. I haven’t. It might be that we are of a different ilk. In your standard method you are setting up a scene, offering a service. In my mind, this is not a very respectable way to gain friends. But then again, of course, we see things differently.

Take, for instance, the idea of establishing, with a stripper, if you are a customer or not. I don’t know why it would even be an issue that you would have to bring up. My experience has always been that when an attraction develops the context is immaterial; it only adds or subtracts complications, makes it more adventurous, or not. With every stripper that I have carried on with, the connection was made long before there was ever a word spoken.

The foot massage bit reminded me of once when I went to visit my daughter and her roommate was sitting on the couch with a guy there giving her a foot massage. After the guy left I asked the girl if he was her boyfriend. She told me no, just that he would take her to shows and stuff and all she had to do was let him massage her feet, which she really liked someone to do but couldn’t get any one else to do it. I couldn’t imagine lowering myself to the level of guy who invites girls over for a foot massage.

…At the fertile phase of the cycle, women prefer male traits that may mark superior genetic quality. At infertile cycle phases, women prefer men willing to invest resources in a mate…

Can you show this to be in action on a grand and naturally occurring manner? In your talks you make it sound as if every woman forms a relationship with a man who will take care of her and then runs off to get impregnated by some super alpha male. This may happen from time to time but it is no where near as prevalent as you claim. Time and again I have seen women who got around become monogamous very quickly when a guy that she falls for comes around.

Just from seeing those around me and asking questions it seems that most people do gravitate towards a one man one women model for their lifestyle. It seems to me that the most desirable people in the world tend to form rather monogamous relationships. Look at Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise. Both of these men could have lines of women daily if they so choose, yet they prefer monogamous lifestyles. It is because given a choice, a real choice, a long close relationship with a single person, with the right type of person, is a far more enjoyable and healthy way to go through life.

Furthermore, since you know nothing at all about me, and you spread vicious nonsensical and destructive rumours about me in posts around the net, I'll ask that you refrain from doing so in future - it's a really sh!tty thing to do to anyone…

And it is my intention that things that I say about you and others like Ross Jefferies and Mystery is seen in such a way as to put you in a bad light and even destructive to your point of view and business if that is what it necessarily leads to.

It’s become obvious to me that this so-called seduction community is populated by men who never had a good male role model growing up and a dysfunctional relationship with their mother that prevents them from truly grasping the concept of masculinity and how to interact with women on anything other than a superficial manner. In their desperation they are latching onto the acts of people like you and Mystery as their belated substitute for a lack of a suitable role model. As a role model, I can think of none worse than you.

What is it, Mystery is a schizophrenic, you have attention deficit disorder, and Ross Jefferies is just plain creepy. It is the mental defects teaching guys how to live their lives. Guys could be out becoming men but rather they end up dressing up like clowns and playing games.

 

[reset]

When I first started posting on these seduction sites I somewhat hoped that I would encounter other men who experienced women as I do. I haven’t. It might be that we are of a different ilk.

hmmm... like different sexes?

 

[L777]

This is exactly what I noticed.

When I first started posting on these seduction sites I somewhat hoped that I would encounter other men who experienced women as I do. I haven’t. It might be that we are of a different ilk. In your standard method you are setting up a scene, offering a service. In my mind, this is not a very respectable way to gain friends. But then again, of course, we see things differently.

Take, for instance, the idea of establishing, with a stripper, if you are a customer or not. I don’t know why it would even be an issue that you would have to bring up. My experience has always been that when an attraction develops the context is immaterial; it only adds or subtracts complications, makes it more adventurous, or not. With every stripper that I have carried on with, the connection was made long before there was ever a word spoken.

The foot massage bit reminded me of once when I went to visit my daughter and her roommate was sitting on the couch with a guy there giving her a foot massage. After the guy left I asked the girl if he was her boyfriend. She told me no, just that he would take her to shows and stuff and all she had to do was let him massage her feet, which she really liked someone to do but couldn’t get any one else to do it. I couldn’t imagine lowering myself to the level of guy who invites girls over for a foot massage.

Can you show this to be in action on a grand and naturally occurring manner? In your talks you make it sound as if every woman forms a relationship with a man who will take care of her and then runs off to get impregnated by some super alpha male. This may happen from time to time but it is no where near as prevalent as you claim. Time and again I have seen women who got around become monogamous very quickly when a guy that she falls for comes around.

Just from seeing those around me and asking questions it seems that most people do gravitate towards a one man one women model for their lifestyle. It seems to me that the most desirable people in the world tend to form rather monogamous relationships. Look at Brad Pitt and Tom Cruise. Both of these men could have lines of women daily if they so choose, yet they prefer monogamous lifestyles. It is because given a choice, a real choice, a long close relationship with a single person, with the right type of person, is a far more enjoyable and healthy way to go through life.

And it is my intention that things that I say about you and others like Ross Jefferies and Mystery is seen in such a way as to put you in a bad light and even destructive to your point of view and business if that is what it necessarily leads to.

It’s become obvious to me that this so-called seduction community is populated by men who never had a good male role model growing up and a dysfunctional relationship with their mother that prevents them from truly grasping the concept of masculinity and how to interact with women on anything other than a superficial manner. In their desperation they are latching onto the acts of people like you and Mystery as their belated substitute for a lack of a suitable role model. As a role model, I can think of none worse than you.

What is it, Mystery is a schizophrenic, you have attention deficit disorder, and Ross Jefferies is just plain creepy. It is the mental defects teaching guys how to live their lives. Guys could be out becoming men but rather they end up dressing up like clowns and playing games.

Yes we get it, you're very good-looking, find it easy to pull women and can write reasonably well, yada yada yada...same s.hit in every post.

You got SCHOOLED, on every single level, from the quality of your written communication to your experience with women...someone out there has you beat, accept it and move on. Also, learn to distinguish between OPINION: "I think that a monogamous lifestyle is better", and 'fact': "a monagamous lifestyle IS better." Please don't post your opinions as facts!!

Just stop before you further embarass yourself. Yes you probably are better with women than me - I'm only 20 - but there are people out there, in the community, on this board, IN THIS THREAD that are more successful with women than you. And that's a cast-iron, stone-wall FACT.

 

[lyamdb]

I just watched the first video it mostly contained history, sociology, etc, it was kinda boring. Will he actually start talkin' good sh!t in the rest or its just the same? I'm hoping the first video was just the prolog.

 

[L777]

I just watched the first video it mostly contained history, sociology, etc, it was kinda boring. Will he actually start talkin' good sh!t in the rest or its just the same? I'm hoping the first video was just the prolog.

Second one deals with how and what to talk about with girls. But thats not just the point....it ain't a quick fix. You should definately watch them all.

 

[potato]

You got SCHOOLED, on every single level, from the quality of your written communication to your experience with women...someone out there has you beat, accept it and move on. Also, learn to distinguish between OPINION: "I think that a monogamous lifestyle is better", and 'fact': "a monagamous lifestyle IS better." Please don't post your opinions as facts!!

So, I’m guessing that you too are unable to form a lasting stable relationship with a woman.

In all the philosophy behind all of these seduction gurus is a claim of their point of view having psychological support, that much of it is based on understanding the psychology of women. Yet, if you were to ask a clinical psychologist I’m sure that they would disagree. People, men and women who feel that they need to be constantly hooking up with an endless string of sexual partners are dysfunctional people. When a man defines his manhood on the numbers of women he’s bedded that is never a sign of a man who is emotionally mature and stable. Those men who never seem to see a woman as nothing more than a sexual object likewise are never happy, they always have to search for another.

Consistently those women who have large numbers of sexual partners tend to have emotional and mental problems and are often drug addicts and alcoholics - same with men. People like Gene Simmons, Mystery, and Johnny Soporno and their talk is much more appealing as heroes to men than as desirable men to women.

If you think that a fat balding, dressed like a clown man is the model by which men should aspire then you have very low standards.

Talk about value. An average man who has sex with large numbers of women, and especially if those women tend to be porn stars, is a man who will have sex with almost anyone. Where is the value in that? A good man of honorable character who is very selective in his choice of women has far more value.

It’s like shopping at Wal-mart. Pursuing women as Johnny does, as he wants you to do is like buying stuff at Wal-mart. Everything you get will be cheep and guaranteed not to last very long. If you go elsewhere, to the upscale shops, it will take a more effort, cost you a little more but you’re going to find much better products that last many times longer.

but there are people out there, in the community, on this board, IN THIS THREAD that are more successful with women than you. And that's a cast-iron, stone-wall FACT.

Is this one of those opinions that are presented as fact that you keep complaining about?

 

[potato]

From the Time article, Why We Love.

Males or females who volunteer their babymaking services too freely may not be offering up very valuable genes. Those who seem more discerning are likelier to be holding a winning genetic hand—and are in a better position to demand one in return.

The elaborate ritual of dating is how this screening takes place. It's when that process pays off—when you finally feel you've found the right person—that the true-love thrill hits, and studies of the brain with functional magnetic resonance imagers (fMRIs) show why it feels so good. The earliest fMRIs of brains in love were taken in 2000, and they revealed that the sensation of romance is processed in three areas. The first is the ventral tegmental, a clump of tissue in the brain's lower regions, which is the body's central refinery for dopamine. Dopamine does a lot of jobs, but the thing we notice most is that it regulates reward. When you win a hand of poker, it's a dopamine jolt that's responsible for the thrill that follows. When you look forward to a big meal or expect a big raise, it's a steady flow of dopamine that makes the anticipation such a pleasure.

Fisher and her colleagues have conducted recent fMRI scans of people who are not just in love but newly in love and have found that their ventral tegmental areas are working particularly hard. "This little factory near the base of the brain is sending dopamine to higher regions," she says. "It creates craving, motivation, goal-oriented behavior—and ecstasy."

When Love Becomes a Habit

Even with its intoxicating supply of dopamine, the ventral tegmental couldn't do the love job on its own. Most people eventually do leave the poker game or the dinner table, after all. Something has to turn the exhilaration of a new partner into what can approach an obsession, and that something is the brain's nucleus accumbens, located slightly higher and farther forward than the ventral tegmental. Thrill signals that start in the lower brain are processed in the nucleus accumbens via not just dopamine but also serotonin and, importantly, oxytocin. If ever there was a substance designed to bind, it's oxytocin.

New mothers are flooded with the stuff during labor and nursing—one reason they connect so ferociously to their babies before they know them as anything more than a squirmy body and a hungry mouth. Live-in fathers whose partners are pregnant experience elevated oxytocin too, a good thing if they're going to stick around through months of gestation and years of child-rearing.

 

[L777]

^^^ Can't even be bothered reading your posts any more. You lost. End of.

 

[Johnny Soporno]

Yes we get it, you're very good-looking, find it easy to pull women and can write reasonably well, yada yada yada...
You got SCHOOLED, on every single level, from the quality of your written communication to your experience with women... someone out there has you beat, accept it and move on.

Frankly, I don't believe ANYTHING which Potato has posted.

The expression which comes to mind is from Shakespeare:

"Methinks he doth protest too much" :crackup:

I do not believe he's over 20 years old; I am CERTAIN he has never had children, and I am suspect of his ever having had sex at all.

I don't believe that HE believes he is attractive at all to women - regardless of whether he MIGHT be, if he didn't put forward such a foolish and puerile attitude, and self-defeatist temperament.

Shame, really...

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

 

[everywomanshero]

I won't comment on Mr. Soporno as I've never met him or even listended to his material. If the guy is giving out his .02 for free, that's a nice touch. However, it is does exempt him from critical analysis or public discussion both positive and negative.

As I haven't met most of the "gurus", it's hard to make any definitive statements about them. Many of them certainly have provided us with useful concepts that no doubt came from both personal success/adventure and observation of other's success/adventure. This is valuable insight.

The type of success most Gurus describe and more definitely exists and there are many thousands of men experience it on any given day, not just a "handful" of men as most gurus would like us to belief. I don't think most guys who have their choice of throphies have ever heard of the "seduction community" nor are they particularly interested in it. I know the most successful guys I know don't have a clue about it.

I have a friend I'd call R who firends told about it, he looked at the stuff for like ten minutes and then ran around acting like a clown with it, he thought it was funny but he never bothered "studying" it. On average he only lays a few women a month but they are always smokin hot and most of the time he is with a regular or something. He dresses like a cool guy, he does get turned down when we approach sometimes, but it just doesn't matter. Hot women are attracted to him like flies to sh1t.

I have another friend I'll call T. Women approach him constantly. He actually worked as a male stripper until he went back to school at 27. He as far as I know has never heard of the seduction community. He definitly doesn't have any techniques. He just fvcks the women. He is kind of picky so I am not sure what his output is and it's been a while since we hung out, but on an average weekend of partying he'd get taken advantage of by 1 or 2 women. I'm not sure he ever goes after a girl, I think he just picks from the ones who hit on him.

I have another friend who is in the community and has been for years. He fits the stereotype for what women are supposed to want: Tall, handsome, etc etc. I've hung out with him quite a few times and seen him out alot. I'd guess he goes out at least 2 or 3 times a week. I rarely see him with an attractive woman. He is usually drunk off his ass and with a borderline UG (sad but true) or talking to guys.

The thing is, it's very hard to determine what level of success someone is experiencing. For example, Matador claimed that all the stuff we saw on the PUA's first shoot was real. Yet, it is well documented the Mystery was with a prop. We have no idea how many props he uses on an outing, at bootcamps, etc. There is just no way to seperate the reality from the illusion. He has some good (and some bad) advice and based on his archieve I can't help but believe he is (or at least was) one hell of a good player, but the truth is I could be decieved, it's at least possible. With all the ego & SSSS involved it's just not possible to say. That Mystery went gaga over a woman who was later convicted of burglarly speaks that his standards aren't as high as he puts on though. Furthermore, videos have turned up depicting him with some very average looking women, another clue that while he has success, the quality of women even in the looks department sometimes does not match up with what we would expect from someone who truly had his choice with unlimited women. The supposed fighting over a woman between Mystery and Love Drop and the fact the Mystery apparently tried to steal one of Neil's women all point to a man who isn't quite as non-needy and living in abundance as one might expect.

I love a lot of Swinggcat's advice. I have no doubt this guy gets laid. Even in his stories though there is evidence that things are going on he wouldn't likely admit to. The driver just happened to take him to Del Rey, a hotel with a known Costa Rican hooker bar? Sounds a little fishy. Now I don't doubt that Swingg went to Del Rey, and I don't doubt he laid a hooker without paying (hell I've done this myself in other countries), but what I do doubt is that he had no intention of paying for sex which is the only reason anyone would ever stay there since the Casino is loud and taking normal women there gives them the creeps (yes Chicas all know about the place).

A guy can even be good with women and still occasionally pay a pro for a threesome or fivesome or something just kind of something crazy to change things up. But if these guys came clean, then what would happen? They'd be humanized and everyone would start talking about GURU X who never gets shot down, has laid every girl he ever talked to, and can hypnotize women with his farts.

 

[everywomanshero]

In summartion of this rapidly growing post. There are a lot of weirdos out there claiming to be Gurus, there are also some guys who as far as I can tell really are pretty gifted and share insight that has legitimate value.

Overall though, the "seduction community" has never had a critical eye capable of seperating the neurotic from the well, nor fact from fiction, nor dillusion from vision. Things that has been systematically proven false for decades such as subliminal message hypotheses are still widely believed and discussed. Anyone who throws out a self-help book is unquestionably trusted, all the while these men laugh at women who believe in psychics!

There is really no way other than personal expereince to know for certain what is going to work for you and what is not, because videos, infield "sets", sex videoes, and any test we could come up with could easily be fakes given even modest resources. I could easily hire 10 Canadian hookers and do a shoot in a Montreal bar with the best PUAs in the world and you guys would still rate me the best. I'd be getting BJs in booths and all kinds of crazy **** and to be honest, people would suddenly pay me thousands of dollars, yet my advice would not be one bit better than it is today which I give away for free.

There is no "sure fire" test we can put aspiring PUAs through to measure their performance, and there is no garuantee that performance would be tied to quality of instruction even if we could. To some degree it is up to the individual to create his new role anyway, no amount of hand holding has ever been nessicary, but guys just tend to make things more difficult than it has to be.

 

[potato]

Frankly, I don't believe ANYTHING which Potato has posted.

The expression which comes to mind is from Shakespeare:

"Methinks he doth protest too much" :crackup:

I do not believe he's over 20 years old; I am CERTAIN he has never had children, and I am suspect of his ever having had sex at all.

I don't believe that HE believes he is attractive at all to women - regardless of whether he MIGHT be, if he didn't put forward such a foolish and puerile attitude, and self-defeatist temperament.

Shame, really...

Johnny Soporno
Worthy Playboy

Blah, blah, blah...

I suppose I should have expected as much from you. You had asked me to elaborate on my criticism of your ‘Striper Fu’ - that and other aspects of your point of view. I had hoped that you would mount an argument to support you views but rather I see you’ve got nothing. Your shtick apparently only works on boys that lack the experience and insight to see that you really are full of crap and cannot hold up under scrutiny of a man who knows better.

 

[potato]

I am also one of the most successful people alive,

:crackup: :crackup: Yeah, we read about you all the time in Forbes.:crackup: :crackup: