Potential wife past sexual history

[Dr.Suave]

3.) Russian girl in Russia that I would talk to. She was in a small town. She taught me some Russian. She wanted to lose her virginity. We would video chat and she would send spicy pics ( no nudes). She was a pain and very bad personality.

Did you went to Russia? Or did she visit you?

 

[Pandora]

About 4 months. She kept moving away because she was in so much pain. Lots of crying.

Same man. Its a many hours long process. Sometimes it takes a couple days to break that seal. Its an ordeal because of their pain lol.

 

[Pandora]

Did you went to Russia? Or did she visit you?

Got my Russian visa, got to the airport. The Ukraine war had just started. Something in my gut told me that this was a stupid move. So I rerouted my flight to Istanbul Turkey. I ended up dating a girl there.

 

[pipeman84]

Bro so never actually had or dated a virgin. Yet you are steadfast in your position because of logic. Since when did women operate based on logic?

It's me that operates on logic.
Regarding your 2 cases: firstly, they're both black women, I have no experience with black women but from what I've read on this forum I gather they're more problematic (more bitchy, masculine etc).
Secondly, spending hours on the phone is bad on your part....you're supposed to be a busy guy (even if just sitting in a chair looking at the wall and meditating). The interaction with the girl should be face 2 face...communication is way better that way, you can get physical etc
Thirdly, the deep character issues you mention in both cases won't suddenly dissapear because they fvck 1 or 2 other guys. C'mon man, isn't that obvious?

 

[Murk]

I had a bachelors degree by 20, a few post graduates degrees by 25. Relatively succesful job/career. But yeah, I Might have a bunch of mental illness for all I know. Those things are not mutually exclusive.

So why mention it then? It shows you are intelligent (or rather you can memorise books), which gives a higher probability and susceptibility to mental illness. A lot of guys on here are very smart, autistic, and socially inept with mental health issues they refuse to accept (like promiscuous women and their value).

 

[Pandora]

It's me that operates on logic.
Regarding your 2 cases: firstly, they're both black women, I have no experience with black women but from what I've read on this forum I gather they're more problematic (more bitchy, masculine etc).
Secondly, spending hours on the phone is bad on your part....you're supposed to be a busy guy (even if just sitting in a chair looking at the wall and meditating). The interaction with the girl should be face 2 face...communication is way better that way, you can get physical etc
Thirdly, the deep character issues you mention in both cases won't suddenly dissapear because they fvck 1 or 2 other guys. C'mon man, isn't that obvious?

All healthy girls are virgin. Not all virgins are healthy.

We have to be careful not to overdealize sacred cows such as virgins and foreign women. In my experience both these things come with their own hidden evils. Women are a pain in the azz no matter what.

 

[Pandora]

Ok I’m going to expose personal experience here that I maybe shouldn’t.

My first wife was a virgin when we met, she was brought up in a country where this is commonplace, and not out of the ordinary a few decades ago. I had scant sexual experience as I was quite young when we married.

She truly was my first love, like head over heels, deer in the headlights kind of love. We both were youngsters living abroad - the whole world was our oyster.

A few weeks after we finally decided to get married and two weeks before we did we consummated the deal. We’d been doing everything but until that point, but no penetration. We literally learned everything we knew from each other from the beginning. It was actually her during a naked make out session that finally basically thrust her whole body onto me. It was amazing, we both frankly were so astonished by the emotion surrounding it we held each other for a few minutes and kissed until we went at it like jackrabbits. She wasn’t on bc and I was not wrapped.

In the leading weeks to our marriage we fooled around every day, for hours. I learned about the value of have a strong pelvic floor and my pullout game was impeccable, never knocked her up.

It took her a YEAR to finally have her first bonafide PIV only O and it was so overwhelming for her she shook for a good long time. I was so filled with emotion and pride.

We always had sex for more than an hour every single day we were married except when I was deployed. It was just the most magical thing in the world. She became multiply orgasmic over time as well. It was always the one thing that worked for us up until our divorce and for a while thereafter .

Now the other shoe:
We were so young, in our mid 20’s we realized we’d grown into completely different people and were no longer compatible or had the same life goals. It was heartbreaking but we divorced semi-amicably - we never had kids.

So virginity and (if you can pull it off) amazing sex is not panacea it’s not a magic bullet.

She was stunningly beautiful by any standard, submissive and mine, but still it didn’t work.

Find someone you love and someone you love fncking if you want an LTR. Everyone has a past, adjust.

Damn dude this is a deep story. Wow. Its kind of cool that you were able to discover each other sexually. Thats a deep bond.

If you guys did not make it then I dont think there is too much hope for marriage. Btw your post proves my point. Compatibility is superior to virginity. It would be nice to have a compatible virgin but the world is not perfect.

 

[Dr.Suave]

All healthy girls are virgin. Not all virgins are healthy.

D@mn bro. This is gold.

 

[pipeman84]

I thought of another way to put into words the issue I have with past sexual history:
So let's say you meet a 28yrs old girl...she's been with 5 guys since she was 18, so 5 guys in the past 10 years. Now what are the odds she's going to be faithful to you (one guy) for the next 2 years, let alone 20 if you want kids?

I mean if she's the type that's 'learning, growing, discovering, reinventing herself' and all the other euphemisms for what essentially is lack of loyalty and/or discernment when entering a relationship, then it makes no logical sense to me to want to marry such a girl and expect a happy life together.

 

[pipeman84]

Some guys have made the argument in this thread and others on SS that a virgin will get bored/curious and will want to explore how it is with other guys. So according to them, it's better to get an 'experienced' woman who has had at least a few guys and got curiosity out of her system. Well, my counter argument has been that hoes gonna hoe. Once she's proven she lacks loyalty by having multiple relationships or sex partners, but you expect it to go the distance with you, that's naive thinking IMO.

Kissa Sins got bored of Johnny Sins after 3 years and wanted new dyck, therefore started shooting porn with new guys. I know that this might be an extreme example to prove my point, but nevertheless.
1:54 - 2:35

 

[Dr.Suave]

Hoes gonna hoe.

This should be a sticky on the forums or one of Tomassi´s Iron Rules.

 

[Gamisch]

This should be a sticky on the forums or one of Tomassi´s Iron Rules.

I get these red table talk- Jada pinkett Smith vibes. Not only did she broke him mentally, she also publicly shames you to get clout...

But oke this is a pornstar so...

 

[Millard Fillmore]

bros be wifing up "virgins" w/50 diks on their CV

 

[Gamisch]

bros be wifing up "virgins" w/50 diks on their CV

Every woman you'll ever meet on OLD will have much more than 50 D's.

 

[Pandora]

Me, personally, I would not marry a girl who has had someone else´s d1ck inside her. There could be exceptions, (maybe she´s like my favorite Hollywood actress or something) but those exceptions would be as rare as finding and pulling a virgin who passes the boner test in the 1st place.

It took me decades and a lot of patience and self improvement but I did manage to find and pull someone I think is worthy of marriage. Im planning on putting a ring on it sometime next year.

All that being said, some (most?) guys just dont care that much about the girl not being a virgin. Its not a deal breaker for them. I will never understand it, but I wont judge them or anything. To each his own.

Its not that we dont want a virgin. The issue is that not all of us will be able to find a virgin. You have to settle at some point. Good on you for being patient and finding one. I wish I could have found one that was also chill to be around.

 

[jnMissouri]

this is from post #103 made by @catsmeow2 from the 'women lose respect from you if you eat them out' thread

Are you guys who are married or considering it affected by the woman's past sexual history? The message I get from the quote above is......I am the Nth guy who has had his d*ck sucked by this woman, the difference between me and them is that I'm called her husband, not boyfriend. Am I the only one here who finds this situation a real turn off? I know there was a user @Colossus who hasn't posted in more than 5 years and he was a big proponent of marrying a virgin. At first I was like...hmm, that might be asking too much. But the more I think about it, the more I think he's right.

PS: no disrespect meant to catsmeow2 and this isn't about her particular situation but what the title of the thread says.

NO! He's wrong, don't even marry a virgin. A married coworker who was a virgin when married (arranged marriage, Asian) cheated on her husband with me for MONTHS. Don't get married at all! **** and toss!

I also dated this hot Ukranian chic who was a "virgin". Except she blew me and all the guys before me. Plus within a month she let me put it in her *****. She was bat **** crazy, so I bailed not long after.

 

[jnMissouri]

Now, now. I will happily answer you, but thorugh PM. If I start going into the details you want, l1ttle b1tches around here will start accusing me of TMI and Humble Bragging. It has happened to me before.

No shortage of haters. All those types I've found have no women of their own, not a single post in their entire posting history. Even called one out for it and he deleted the post, lol.

 

[jnMissouri]

Me, personally, I would not marry a girl who has had someone else´s d1ck inside her. There could be exceptions, (maybe she´s like my favorite Hollywood actress or something) but those exceptions would be as rare as finding and pulling a virgin who passes the boner test in the 1st place.

It took me decades and a lot of patience and self improvement but I did manage to find and pull someone I think is worthy of marriage. Im planning on putting a ring on it sometime next year.

All that being said, some (most?) guys just dont care that much about the girl not being a virgin. Its not a deal breaker for them. I will never understand it, but I wont judge them or anything. To each his own.

It would be NICE, but I can't say it's fair, as I'm far from a virgin. That said, despite having a high body count myself, I'd never seriously date a women with a high body count. It's just the way evolutionary biology is, and culture. Women are supposed to be proper and pure. Men are supposed to be experienced and aggressive

 

[pipeman84]

NO! He's wrong, don't even marry a virgin. A married coworker who was a virgin when married (arranged marriage, Asian) cheated on her husband with me for MONTHS. Don't get married at all! **** and toss!

I also dated this hot Ukranian chic who was a "virgin". Except she blew me and all the guys before me. Plus within a month she let me put it in her *****. She was bat **** crazy, so I bailed not long after.

You present one woman who lacks integrity and is a very special case (arranged marriage) and other who is batsh!t crazy and is not actually a virgin. They will still be like that after 5 different guys fvcked them so how are these 2 an argument against marrying a clinically sane, virgin woman?

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

So much rationalization about security, safety and so on when the truth is that we simply dont want stuff that was used from others before us? even more at full price...

Could anyone here ever consider to fully commit to a girl that got her ass broken and creampied from someone uncommitted to her?

We may be adults but we're not that different from when we were kids and we didnt want to share our toys or be given as a present something that an other kid used before us.

We can bs each other as we want but deep down we still see them as object as much as they see us a holders of a certain position in the hierarchy.

Their bodycount and past matters to us as much as our social position and future outcome matters to them.

Fellas lets embrace honesty and self honesty, it's refreshing.