Potential wife past sexual history

[Pandora]

I've had a theory for a while that while most girls probably aren't sluts, those are the girls who don't give you the time of day when you approach them. Which means that most of the girls you actually date will be on the slutty end of the spectrum.

The blackpill YouTuber Wheat Waffles did a video on a similar related topic called "Selection Bias"

There's a segment where he talks about how logically, attractive girls that have a high purity are the most likely to be long term taken. Mostly leaving either ugly girls or hot sluts.

Yes this theory makes a lot of sense. I had a couple of these girls when I was very young. I let them slip away because I didnt know what I had.

 

[Pandora]

To be realistic it’s almost impossible to find a virgin in the western world unless she’s extremely sheltered and she VERY YOUNG, they’re out there but they’re unicorns.

That said something happens to women around 35-45 it’s like the monkey brain takes over for a while. The body knows that these are her last years to produce offspring whether or not they already have some.

I’ve talked to many women about this - they tend to agree - they almost collectively lose their minds at those ages. The body says “one last one, get the best genetics you can!”. Many have succumbed hence the frivorces that happen in these age ranges.

Do you want a woman who has never experienced another male wondering about what she missed out on? Methinks it’s a recipe for disaster in this day and age in western society. Any woman of above average looks is being hit on multiple times daily believe it.

Exactly. Guys dont understand that virgins come with their own issues too. When you date a virgin she has no idea what to compare your relationship to. They often think that you are not doing a good job in the relationship. They do get a severe case of FOMO sooner or later. If it is later then you get the "grey divorce".

I have know virgins who lost it in their mid 20's and went crazy for the next year. They slept with everyone. The main thing we want as men is a woman who KNOW for a fact that she will never be able to get better than you. A virgiin may or not think this.

 

[pipeman84]

When you date a virgin she has no idea what to compare your relationship to.

Totally false and dangerous thinking. False: because she has her parents, relatives, friends, media personalities, etc. Dangerous: because on that logic one should go for a woman with many failed relationships who supposedly learned her lessons and after all that misery here comes the knight in shinning armor that will give her the best relationship experience and live happily ever after.

They often think that you are not doing a good job in the relationship. They do get a severe case of FOMO sooner or later.

If you're a competent leader of the relationship and giver her glorious sex, how in the world is she gonna get FOMO? It's enough to look at couples around her (which are mediocre) to realize she's hit the jackpot by getting you. And I believe that kind of realization can only come with a virgin or very low notch count girl because they still have the loyalty and bonding capacity intact.

 

[Zimbabwe]

A non virgin girl is like a used car, even a Ferrari is a used car once it's been driven.

Men on the other hand are like experienced drivers.

I defiantly do not want some other guys sloppy seconds, I will not ever marry a disgusting non virgin

 

[Pandora]

Totally false and dangerous thinking. False: because she has her parents, relatives, friends, media personalities, etc. Dangerous: because on that logic one should go for a woman with many failed relationships who supposedly learned her lessons and after all that misery here comes the knight in shinning armor that will give her the best relationship experience and live happily ever after.

If you're a competent leader of the relationship and giver her glorious sex, how in the world is she gonna get FOMO? It's enough to look at couples around her (which are mediocre) to realize she's hit the jackpot by getting you. And I believe that kind of realization can only come with a virgin or very low notch count girl because they still have the loyalty and bonding capacity intact.

You say totally false but you never actually dated a virgin. I have dated two. But i guess you know everything and have seen everything. A wise man listens to others experiences.

Yes its counter intuitive but its real. Leader of the relationship and glorious sex huh? Bro its 2022. Thats not enough. If she is attractive many men will be hitting on her. The first fight yall have she will be thinking she can get that same sex from others. Not saying in 100% of the cases but it happens.

Im not saying you should date a slut. Where did I say that? I said instead of virginity being the standard you should look for her ability to be submissive. She needs to know that you are the best she can get. Virgin dont neccesarily know that you are the best she can get.

My sisters friend got married as a virgin. Now she is telling my sister about how she is kissing men at bars and its exciting.

 

[logicallefty]

A non virgin girl is like a used car, even a Ferrari is a used car once it's been driven.

Men on the other hand are like experienced drivers.

I defiantly do not want some other guys sloppy seconds, I will not ever marry a disgusting non virgin

I can tell you working in law enforcement, online investigations. and dealing with people of all ages; females in the USA are having sex at younger ages than you probably care to mess with. From 12 year old girls sleeping with 23 year old dudes, to 10 year olds sleeping with other 10year olds and the girls parents wanting to murder the boy, to 16 year old girls sleeping with 45 yo old men; ive seen it all. If you’re looking for a perfect 18yo virgin you are going to be looking for a long time in the USA. By 18 a hot female in the USA has probably had more sex partners than the average 40yo man. Maybe not in other countries but definitely here.

 

[Pandora]

By 18 a hot female in the USA has probably had more sex partners than the average 40yo man. Maybe not in other countries but definitely here.

100%! It's a simailar situation in other countries too. Even in the European fake Muslim nations its the same thing. Women are largely the same everywhere. They have sexual relations very early. Sometimes its even worse in other nations. This virgin hunting thing is kinda delusional. Also once you get that virgin they aint always easy to get along with trust me.

 

[Pandora]

One thing I want to add. If virgins were such good partners how come they are not still with the first guy they slept with? Every girl starts out a virgin right? She should have so tightly bonded with that first guy. She should have done everything to make it work.

Ehh false. They bond to you yes, but that does not mean they will treat you good. They bond to you and give you a headache lol.
They have idealstic expectations about a relationship because they dont have anything to compare it to.

 

[Pandora]

A non virgin girl is like a used car, even a Ferrari is a used car once it's been driven.

Men on the other hand are like experienced drivers.

I defiantly do not want some other guys sloppy seconds, I will not ever marry a disgusting non virgin

You are prob not gonna get married then brother. I agree though it sucks knowing that men have hit your girl doggystyle etc....but hey this is reality.

 

[devilkingx2]

Yes this theory makes a lot of sense. I had a couple of these girls when I was very young. I let them slip away because I didnt know what I had.

The second part of my theory is that a woman who is more "high quality" as some guys here would put it, or "pure" as Wheat Waffles would put it; is less likely to be receptive to approaches.

It makes sense that crazy or slutty girls would be more open to meeting and dating random men she doesn't know than girls who are risk averse and chaste.

Girlschase touches upon that subject in this article:

Hot/Crazy Girls are Easier than Hot/Sane Girls

Why do guys so often end up with hot-but-crazy girls as their breakthrough girlfriends? Due to the hot/crazy discount. Over my years in the dating niche, I’ve become aware of an interesting trend. Inexperienced men, time and again, after slaving away to do better with girls, end up with...

www.girlschase.com

 

[devilkingx2]

One thing I want to add. If virgins were such good partners how come they are not still with the first guy they slept with? Every girl starts out a virgin right? She should have so tightly bonded with that first guy. She should have done everything to make it work.

Ehh false. They bond to you yes, but that does not mean they will treat you good. They bond to you and give you a headache lol.
They have idealstic expectations about a relationship because they dont have anything to compare it to.

Most of them probably lost it to some F-boy on their highschool's sports team who dumped them for a hotter girl in college.

I can tell you working in law enforcement, online investigations. and dealing with people of all ages; females in the USA are having sex at younger ages than you probably care to mess with. From 12 year old girls sleeping with 23 year old dudes, to 10 year olds sleeping with other 10year olds and the girls parents wanting to murder the boy, to 16 year old girls sleeping with 45 yo old men; ive seen it all. If you’re looking for a perfect 18yo virgin you are going to be looking for a long time in the USA. By 18 a hot female in the USA has probably had more sex partners than the average 40yo man. Maybe not in other countries but definitely here.

To be fair, usually the cases that are this extreme would be girls who are clearly and obviously sluts even before they turn 18.

For example I knew a girl who got pregnant at 14 for a much older guy. You could touch her boobs for $20 in middle school.

I'd say late high school and early college would be the only time for an adult to find a virgin outside of religious circles and fat shut-ins.

 

[Zimbabwe]

I can tell you working in law enforcement, online investigations. and dealing with people of all ages; females in the USA are having sex at younger ages than you probably care to mess with. From 12 year old girls sleeping with 23 year old dudes, to 10 year olds sleeping with other 10year olds and the girls parents wanting to murder the boy, to 16 year old girls sleeping with 45 yo old men; ive seen it all. If you’re looking for a perfect 18yo virgin you are going to be looking for a long time in the USA. By 18 a hot female in the USA has probably had more sex partners than the average 40yo man. Maybe not in other countries but definitely here.

You are prob not gonna get married then brother. I agree though it sucks knowing that men have hit your girl doggystyle etc....but hey this is reality.

This is why I'm looking outside of America/The West and to more traditional countries like my homeland instead of settling for somebody else's leftovers.

Men shouldn't have to settle for reformed slvts, we need to bring back our standards and self respect.

 

[Pandora]

The second part of my theory is that a woman who is more "high quality" as some guys here would put it, or "pure" as Wheat Waffles would put it; is less likely to be receptive to approaches.

It makes sense that crazy or slutty girls would be more open to meeting and dating random men she doesn't know than girls who are risk averse and chaste.

Girlschase touches upon that subject in this article:

Hot/Crazy Girls are Easier than Hot/Sane Girls

Why do guys so often end up with hot-but-crazy girls as their breakthrough girlfriends? Due to the hot/crazy discount. Over my years in the dating niche, I’ve become aware of an interesting trend. Inexperienced men, time and again, after slaving away to do better with girls, end up with...

www.girlschase.com

Bro this is facts. The hot crazy ones have all types of male validation/ daddy issues going on. They are very receptive to male energy. The problem is that a hot sane women is rare. She would have had to have a near perfect nuclear family upbringing.

Even if you find a hot sane one she can still be a pain in the azz. This does not mean she will be submissive to you.

 

[Pandora]

This is why I'm looking outside of America/The West and to more traditional countries like my homeland instead of settling for somebody else's leftovers.

Men shouldn't have to settle for reformed slvts, we need to bring back our standards and self respect.

Take it from a guy who is/ has done the foreign thing. The girls who are open to a foreign man are the leftovers of their own country. So you end up in a simailar position.

A conservative culture does not let strangers in the culture easily. They guard and protect these girls. They also marry the good ones off early.

Foreign girls are better but not by that much playa.

 

[Pandora]

The second part of my theory is that a woman who is more "high quality" as some guys here would put it, or "pure" as Wheat Waffles would put it; is less likely to be receptive to approaches.

It makes sense that crazy or slutty girls would be more open to meeting and dating random men she doesn't know than girls who are risk averse and chaste.

Girlschase touches upon that subject in this article:

Hot/Crazy Girls are Easier than Hot/Sane Girls

Why do guys so often end up with hot-but-crazy girls as their breakthrough girlfriends? Due to the hot/crazy discount. Over my years in the dating niche, I’ve become aware of an interesting trend. Inexperienced men, time and again, after slaving away to do better with girls, end up with...

www.girlschase.com

This is an amazing articile you linked. It really helped me explain a pattern in my life. Thanks

 

[pipeman84]

What I disagree with is that a "failed" relationship or even a few is a negative thing.

It's been said and I agree that we actually learn the most from our mistakes and failures if we take the time to introspect and self-reflect.

There are exceptions of course, but statistics say it's otherwise, ie cohabiting predicts divorce and the more partners the woman has had, the higher the chance for divorce. And a funny coincidence, I heard yesterday an interview from 2018 with an actress from my country who was 31 at the time; she was saying how she had been in a 7yrs relationship which didn't work out but she learned from that and won't repeat the mistakes in this current marriage. So in 2014 she gets in a relationship with the guy she was with in 2018, they get married after 6 months of first meeting each other, she was pregnant a month after being married but has miscarriage. Already one can see she really learned her lessons. NOT. Then she does have twins in 2017 and in late 2018 they separate. Acrimonious divorce and all that. Apparently as of 2020 she got back with the guy she was with for 7yrs.

Let me put it another way: for women, safety with her partner is paramount. Probably women have that need imprinted in the DNA as guys have the need for loyalty. Now, if you meet a guy who's been in 5 relationships and he physically abused all 5 women, would you go along with the 'we learn from mistakes and failures' mantra and enter a relationship with him? If I had a sister I sure as hell advise her no to see him again.

 

[pipeman84]

Yes its counter intuitive but its real. Leader of the relationship and glorious sex huh? Bro its 2022. Thats not enough. If she is attractive many men will be hitting on her. The first fight yall have she will be thinking she can get that same sex from others. Not saying in 100% of the cases but it happens.

One thing I want to add. If virgins were such good partners how come they are not still with the first guy they slept with? Every girl starts out a virgin right? She should have so tightly bonded with that first guy. She should have done everything to make it work.

You make it sound as if I equate virginity with 100% integrity, good moral fiber and good character and that's not true at all.

 

[bat soup]

If your wife's body count is over 100, then you can at least count on getting a good BJ every night and a few different positions. Plus she'll be so experienced that she can probably do it whilst simultaneously cooking your dinner.

 

[member160761]

Take it from a guy who is/ has done the foreign thing. The girls who are open to a foreign man are the leftovers of their own country. So you end up in a simailar position.

A conservative culture does not let strangers in the culture easily. They guard and protect these girls. They also marry the good ones off early.

Foreign girls are better but not by that much playa.

True that. You have to learn the native tongue and integrate fully to snatch a quality girl, else you get leftovers.

 

[Gamisch]

Funny that on a seduction forum the viws are still this extreme. I think even Tom Brady would have a hard time finding a COMPATIBLE virging. Its might be possible when you are 20, and she is like 16 or something. So she basically goes from teenage girl straight to motherhood , marriage and raising kids. No promiscuous behavior, no monkey branching and comparisons. Would be perfect.

I kinda agree with @Pandora . Finding a virgin is one, now she also gotta be compatible with you ,on literally every aspect of life. People without these demands already struggle to find a compatible partner.

There are many sides to this topic ;

-on one hand a man who absolutely demands a virgin looks like a case of cognitive dissonance from reality. If you know female nature you know how a young woman lives and moves. I am talking teenager age. It's like putting your head in the sand trying avoiding reality.

-but on the other hand such a man has "just" extremely high standards. Nothing with that and of more men would reason like this this simp-ish society might change for the better.

Combined with the way society has functioned for centuries ( before DNA testing existed) it does makes sense this way of thinking is still present today.

Here's the kicker; take two guys with opposite views regarding this topic. Eventually both men end up with a similar mindset when they reach something like 40 y.o. The guy who doesnt care about a woman's past end up realizing no woman will stay forever and steps into relationships with less expectation . A man who does care about her past might realize he is too old to find a virgin now and also steps into LTRs expecting less.

The first man might have trouble throughout the years dealing with promiscuous women. Where the second guy will never fully respect the women he's with. Both men will respect women less and with that also expect less.

And imo it's a good place to be either way. A place where you learn to see things for what they are, you expect less from women so you can enjoy them more and more.

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