Playing the LTR Game Before Being In LTR

[AttackFormation]

All men want sex right away, anyone who restrains themselves is acting, including the woman unless she is cruelly choosing the man as a beta provider she is not attracted to physically. Withholding sex is a trick used by women to make themselves seem chaste but it has zero to do with male intentions. You are rationalizing acting based on a charade to assuage the ego. You are asking someone who doesn't even know you to immediately value you for a relationship.

I have some sympathy for women pretending to be chaste, because men either A) want women to pretend to be chaste (these are the guys who even on this forum think if she waits to fvck you then "that must mean she is classy gf material"), or B) consider women to be cattle who shouldn't have lives or wills beyond waiting around to fulfill mens' personal fantasies. Combine that with an ignorance of the fact that in the animal kingdom the median female has more sex with more partners than the median male does, and you get lots of gullible and ignorant men who don't want to live in reality. So if a woman is looking for a provider, it makes pragmatic sense for her to pretend to be chaste according to the mens' wishes.

But it's still ridiculous for the reasons you say. You don't need to fvck on the first date, but either she wants to have sex too or she's cruelly cleaning out someone she has no arousal for. In either case, you're not fooling me and we should get rid of the pretense. But it won't change until our attitudes about gender sex dynamics are updated to a more intelligent level, if ever.

The women may be deceptive, but (just like AFC thirst making every woman feel like a celebrity) I think the gullibility and malign, willful ignorance of the men they deceive is a larger irritation.

 

[MrJack]

It’s ok guys she gave me the ol’ LJBF message today lol. I told her I’m not interested in being just friends and that was the end of that. Time to replace this one

 

[AJ84]

You're trying to bypass my point, I know.

I can go back and forth with you on this but I don’t want to. I’ve gone down that road with you in the past.

Let’s just agree to disagree. Hope that’s ok with you.

 

[HankHill]

We’ve done everything besides have sex because she doesn’t want to have “meaningless sex” apparently.

Is it ever ok to say to a woman that you are genuinely interested in gettin to know her on a deeper level and see where things go? My alpha ness has not gotten her panties off and it’s blatantly obvious she’s attracted to me she just resists every time it comes to the point of sex because she doesn’t want to be another notch on my bedpost. I don’t know how to convince her otherwise.

It’s ok guys she gave me the ol’ LJBF message today lol. I told her I’m not interested in being just friends and that was the end of that. Time to replace this one

Really?! I didn't expect that from what you posted in the begining, I thought if you slowed down a bit she'll come around. So either she met someone else or you said something that sealed the deal for her?

I've had several women (older, as in 30+) come around once I gained their trust by building some rapport. Women aren't as physical as men...well unless you're Chad of course and she wants to add you to her kill count for an ego boost. It takes anywhere from 4-10hrs of time investment for them to feel comfortable. That's the avg...there will be exceptions to that of course. Also don't believe the 3rd date fvcking rule...women know it's the recipe most guys follow and they'll sh*t test you. Most of the time I've gotten into a pickle by pushing for s3x too early with the non-sloot types.

 

[AttackFormation]

Sure, it's just different perspectives. Women over 27 almost universally see it the way you do ime.

Reading posts on how women will screen players our rather than in feels like reading an account of some alternate reality

You criticised sound game unjustly (which is my interest), but also whilst promoting in your words "a beta way to start a relationship".

Just bizarre.

lmfao, hahaha...

 

[ohrein]

You criticised sound game unjustly (which is my interest), but also whilst promoting in your words "a beta way to start a relationship".

Just bizarre.

If it's so sound why won't you explain how? And if you think you can have a successful relationship while being pure alpha then you're gonna have a bad time. In my experience, when you get the lay makes no difference if the woman is into you. That's my point in a nutshell.

 

[ohrein]

I don't see a convincing case for how being made to wait months for sex with women is any sort of "advanced game". Think you said 12 or 15 dates.... 1.5 months.... that's 2 dates a week for around 6 weeks. Around 3/4X the provisioning.

Then if you do that with multiple women.... seems like the message chaps can get anywhere else to provide more and expect less.

I think we shall simply have to agree to disagree.

I'm not saying it's ideal or "advanced game" to wait. I'm saying setting a number to stick to and ignoring the woman herself and your actions is a very simplistic approach. I'm also saying you can miss out on certain women that might be good for an LTR if you're ruthless with your date lay expectations. There's nothing wrong with aiming for third date and you should absolutely be gunning for it and you should be weary of women who put up walls to sex. I agree with you 99%, I'm just saying there are exceptions and that a simple number rule is limiting. That is literally all I'm saying. Nothing about quality, nothing about advanced game, just that you should use judgement rather than a number.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

If it's so sound why won't you explain how? And if you think you can have a successful relationship while being pure alpha then you're gonna have a bad time. In my experience, when you get the lay makes no difference if the woman is into you. That's my point in a nutshell.

Explain how you get the lay if she's not "into" you?

Are you saying just the act of getting the penetration changes things greatly?

What if she did it to get $ out your pocket?

 

[ohrein]

Explain how you get the lay if she's not "into" you?

Are you saying just the act of getting the penetration changes things greatly?

What if she did it to get $ out your pocket?

You misunderstand. If she is into you, it doesn't matter what date you have sex. There was a thread a few months ago and it turned out the girl was a virgin and he took her virginity. Thankfully he ignored all the "3 dates then next" replies.