People Aren't using Tinder to Date or Hookup

[Grounded eagle]

This thread is a good example of why spending too much time online discussing theory is not a good idea.

 

[metalwater]

You're a smart guy.

yes; as are you.

Look at it logically.

Ok

If banging 3rd world women wasn't deeply shameful, then why would any guy care if they were called a "sexpat"?

They'd be like:

"Yeah bro. I'm a sexpat. I love banging women, I want it to be easy, and so have I gone to live in a country where I'm wanted."

This would be the obvious response if sexpats were actually happy with their decision. But what's actually happening is sexpats appear to get triggered by feelings of failure, rejection, and displacement from their country of birth. It must be upsetting.

I understand your viewpoint on that now. would you want to be called a homewrecker, probably not? but dark horse game with family women results in that. you would find many excuses and rationalizations, but facts are facts. sometimes the stereo-type names don't really help anyone to understand. are you ashamed when a stupid beta leaves his wife and kids because of you, probably not or you would not. The point is I understand that a bad result was not your goal, you simply enjoy the women and don't care. Now carry that idea of to what you're telling about Asians. You see it one way, many ways to see it.

Men don't like being called Sexpats because it is universally known as low-value, especially amongst women. You could say "it doesn't matter what people think", but if you want to get laid and be successful in life then managing other people's perceptions of you does matter a great deal.

I agree that OLDER white women tend to create and propagate the idea that it is bad for a white man to be with an Asian. This logic of yours is not sound because OLDER white women also have the same behavior about younger white women. This is the very classic and old shame technique because they are outclassed (the older white women). Its not about race its about SMV. I guarantee that younger white women don't care if you bang younger Asian unless the white is low SMV. You should know this....

If banging Asian women wasn't shameful, as a white dude, then why do they get so triggered and write tirades about the inferiority of western women, and how western women are all disgusting and fat (which isn't even remotely true). It also projects a hell of a lot of icky self-loathing (assuming the guy is white and is from a white family).

take 500 Asian women at random age 25 till 35, and 500 white from North America and or Oceania.

. Will by an astounding difference in education, fitness, and feminine behavior; in favor of the Asian group.

I am in no way ashamed of being with Asians, I was not ashamed of white or brown either. I was ashamed if the woman behaved badly and I did nothing about it.

I challenge you to rethink this one. I get completely what you think the point is. The group you are thinking about is a very small section of the overall. That small group you are thinking of is exactly like you tell. The much bigger group is not like that. I have seen the 50-year-old man that is 150 kilo and dressed in pajamas, with no money... its sad, that is only a small set.

Let's focus on the common things about all types of women that we can figure out to make our life better. Almost all of the stuff from SS about women applies to Asians and White alike. What's next... girls with red hair are losers ?????

 

[Willie Naylor]

This thread is a good example of why spending too much time online discussing theory is not a good idea.

Thirsty beta virgins will be thirsty beta virgins.

Let them geek it up with each other. After all, their SoSuave time is the highlight of their day...week...month.

 

[Willie Naylor]

It's too complicated for you bro. I suggest another thread or go watch some porn or something.

He's right.

The fact that you're so obsessed with the dynamic between different races, have a weird fixation with Asians, and love to call people sexpats says a lot about you.

I'm not interested in your response to this.

Why? Because I'm better than you.

 

[metalwater]

Asian women are perceived generally as very low value, so if you (a white guy) is seen with Asian women then you will be invariably perceived as a low value beta (because of PC rules, most people won't say it to your face. but they will think it).

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It doesn't matter how you personally perceive Asian women. It matters how society collectively views it if you want to be taken seriously by the opposite sex. It's like having a huge stamp collection, or being a hoarder. People just think it's weird, generally.

The worst thing about targeting Asian, Latina >Insert third world easy girl< is the girls themselves know it's low value. They aren't stupid.

you have had some other good points, so looking to see if something can be learned about this.

why do you think Asian women are low quality? Seriously, I have never heard this before. Did someone tell you or is it something that you just perceive yourself? Don't just tell that it is what ppl think, that's your opinion. Something tangible and objective, what ppl think that and how do you know it?

Is it the color?

If a white woman is born in Asia and identifies as Asian but has white parents but doesn't speak English is she low value?

What is it about an Asian woman that causes the low-value assessment for you?

You claim a moral bias on this and ignore moral bias on topics that most of the world would think you guilty so something is amiss, maybe your just trolling the topic.

 

[Willie Naylor]

You're defending low-value sexual behavior.

As I said earlier, Sexpats get triggered by the reality of their low-value behavior, and you are proving this yet again.

It's just the way the world is man. Don't shoot the messenger. People will always look down on sex-patting and we can't wish it away unfortunately for you.

Some chick really hurt you earlier in life. It's evident with every post you write.

It was so severe, that it's rendered you incapable of feeling anything but judgement towards anyone.

 

[metalwater]

Some chick really hurt you earlier in life. It's evident with every post you write.

It was so severe, that it's rendered you incapable of feeling anything but judgement towards anyone.

that could be, if he doesn't have a real reason for the opinions, then that is it. there is always a reason for a member.

 

[Grounded eagle]

It's too complicated for you bro. I suggest another thread or go watch some porn or something.

You’re a fraud.Been here just over a year and been through a few personas already.”Psycho Viking rapist” and “recovering sex addict” if I remember correctly.Pathetic.Most people with sense see right through you and your BS.So potent it is that it’s driven some quality members away from the forum.Literally lowering the quality of the place with your presence.Ha.But I’m sure I’m not the first nor will I be the last to call you out on your “knowledge.”Here you are talking about race,like there aren’t hot girls of every ethnicity,trying so hard to come off as some philosopher.Just waiting for the day you spare us your hypocrisy and leave the forum or say something stupid that gets your b!tch ass banned.

 

[metalwater]

If you aren't aware of how society perceives white man/asian female pairings then you need to develop your social awareness man.

This is objective reality.

The man is generally perceived as a sexual failure within his own race, and an outcast. He's also seen as a deviant who fetishizes small, meek women - It's viewed as a huge power imbalance and exploitative. Whether this is true or not doesn't matter. It's just how it is perceived.

If you want to do well with hot women, then you can't go around presenting yourself as a sexpat. This is DJ advice and it's why I'm here. It's not a troll. I'm am constantly baffled by the lifestyle choices and justifications I see here.

Next I'll see a post about how chickens make good girlfriends. I'm sure it's coming.

I do well with women I think are hot. Probably can improve, but I have more options than I can use. If that is a failure, my understanding of the definitions of such words is broken.

 

[Grounded eagle]

Another triggered sexpat.

@metalwater - this is why you don't want to be a sexpat, man. Look at who your friends are! You're with the lowest dregs of society - angry little sexpats who want to ban people who tell the truth.

Sexpat? Alright bud.Let me go get my lube and watch that porn you suggested.

 

[metalwater]

"Who hurt you?" is the classic femine gaslight.

You're a sexpat. Own it! If it's so great, then why do you care what I think?

Answer: It's not great. And I'm helping other men to see that.

pan, define sexpat. what is it, give enough detail so we can understand how bad it is.

 

[Willie Naylor]

"Who hurt you?" is the classic femine gaslight.

You're a sexpat. Own it! If it's so great, then why do you care what I think?

Answer: It's not great. And I'm helping other men to see that.

No you're not. You just think you are. You misspelled feminine, by the way.

Something is very wrong with the way you see people. You have a technical term for everyone and everything.

Go hug someone. Eat a cookie. Tell someone you love them. Admit that a puppy's cute.

My door's always open if you need to talk.

 

[metalwater]

A Sexpat is a man who fails in the western dating market and starts targeting ethnic women because they are easier and more vulnerable. He will either target them within, or outside his country.

Sexpats then try to pretend that what they do is normal, healthy and even superior to dating within their own races. They actually become bizarrely racist in an inverted way. It manifests in anger and an absolutely noxious personality (as you can see from the Sexpat responses above - you'll start to notice it consistently if you pay attention to it).

The heart of my point is this:

If this is a forum about getting better with women, then men who engage in low-value targeting of 3rd world women should be roundly condemned. I criticize guys who bang fat chicks too. It all leads to inner-Game self destruction.

ok, so the issue you see is with the man, not the Asian woman.

meaning if you saw an Asian you thought is hot and wanted to date it would be ok because your not a failure.

to be a sexpat means to you that the man failed in the western market.

do I have it right?

 

[Willie Naylor]

What does eating cookies or cute puppies have to do with targeting 3rd world women and pretending it's cool?

I'm talking about objectively low value behavior that should be discouraged on a self-improvement forum. It's not that complicated bro.

There you go, redirecting again.

Your profile says you're 34. It's not too late to seek the counsel of a licensed therapist.

You judge and label others as a defense mechanism. You're afraid that, if you show a human side, you'll get hurt again.

You have the emotional equivalent of a Napoleon Complex.

The sooner you recognize this, the sooner you can begin to heal.

 

[Willie Naylor]

Haha and then she suggests "therapy".

She even went out of her way to call herself Family Man to throw you off the scent.

It's okay. Let it out. Let it out.

 

[metalwater]

Exactly. I love women. I have no problem with other races, or women overall in general. Women are very easy to understand.

Men, on average, are a huge problem. Men, on average, need to stop being so sh1t and get some standards.

Why do you think women, generally, are so angry at the moment? The omnipotent male weakness is suffocating. "Please stop being so sh1t, men" they are begging.

you have part of it right, and some still to learn. its ok, I wish we had forever to figure sht out but time keeps moving.

Yes, often the men fail in the western market. The reasons are mostly the stuff that is what SS is about.

- self improvement
- dealing with men
- dealing with self
- paying attention to what women do
- haveing balls and making ok decisions

so by your definition, I am a sexpat. I never thought of it like that.

Any man that has been divorced or dumped, has failed. Very simple. I have a lot of company in that group, perhaps even you...

definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and want different results. a wise man will try new things and learn.

western men definitely get a strong SMV boost with some races, some Asian races, some white races, and some blk races. We know that if the man has a much higher SMV that he has a better chance to manage interaction with women. they will help more to make things good, both for short times and long times. we know this.

life has a limit on it in terms of time. perhaps if I work on myself for 10 years I can become a better pick up man than you, assuming you don't also keep getting better. tick tock... tick tock... time running out and we all going to the same place in the end.

or I can get an instant SMV boost and enjoy lots of female attention that I find desirable. right away.

now my friend pan tells me that I am a chump if I go live in a place with hot-looking babes that always want to get closer to me. Pan tells me that I should instead keep trying to improve and fight for skinny white attention. perhaps I will be good at that eventually or not. I have all the Beta skills one could hope for so I fore sure could get divorce raped a few more times if I wanted that.

I know many western men that live in Asia with family and have great lives. Better than similar men in the west. The men are in high demand. Now.. a man still has to know game because all women are like that, but for the man that is aware why the helll would he not want to enjoy a situation with a higher SMV.

Because Pan and his friends and few skinny white women he knows will think bad of me.

 

[Willie Naylor]

you have part of it right, and some still to learn. its ok, I wish we had forever to figure sht out but time keeps moving.

Yes, often the men fail in the western market. The reasons are mostly the stuff that is what SS is about.

- self improvement
- dealing with men
- dealing with self
- paying attention to what women do
- haveing balls and making ok decisions

so by your definition, I am a sexpat. I never thought of it like that.

Any man that has been divorced or dumped, has failed. Very simple. I have a lot of company in that group, perhaps even you...

definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing and want different results. a wise man will try new things and learn.

western men definitely get a strong SMV boost with some races, some Asian races, some white races, and some blk races. We know that if the man has a much higher SMV that he has a better chance to manage interaction with women. they will help more to make things good, both for short times and long times. we know this.

life has a limit on it in terms of time. perhaps if I work on myself for 10 years I can become a better pick up man than you, assuming you don't also keep getting better. tick tock... tick tock... time running out and we all going to the same place in the end.

or I can get an instant SMV boost and enjoy lots of female attention that I find desirable. right away.

now my friend pan tells me that I am a chump if I go live in a place with hot-looking babes that always want to get closer to me. Pan tells me that I should instead keep trying to improve and fight for skinny white attention. perhaps I will be good at that eventually or not. I have all the Beta skills one could hope for so I fore sure could get divorce raped a few more times if I wanted that.

I know many western men that live in Asia with family and have great lives. Better than similar men in the west. The men are in high demand. Now.. a man still has to know game because all women are like that, but for the man that is aware why the helll would he not want to enjoy a situation with a higher SMV.

Because Pan and his friends and few skinny white women he knows will think bad of me.

A good friend of mine's wife is from Vietnam. She treats him like a king. And then some.

Another friend's wife is from the Czech Republic. Same thing.

....now compare those women to your typical modern American woman. She loves you to pieces, seems like the perfect girlfriend, and then, she randomly meets someone stronger, bigger, better looking, and starts planning to leave you.

Next day, she gets a promotion at work, and with that comes a sizable raise. She leaves you.

She's been planning her exit for months, so she's already got the d!ck on standby, and a new place to stay.

I mean, at a certain point, enough is enough.

It doesn't make you a weaker man to not want to deal with little Miss Cute Tits' sh!t anymore. It's okay to realize that women from different cultures might offer something more significant and meaningful.

 

[Velasco]

...now compare those women to your typical modern American woman. She loves you to pieces, seems like the perfect girlfriend, and then, she randomly meets someone stronger, bigger, better looking, and starts planning to leave you.

Lets be honest about hypergamy

I listen to a video from Happy Hermit and it got me thinking. A males insatiable sex drive is akin to a females hypergamy. No matter how good the female you have at home you still want to smash the next hot 24 yr old. You can never smash enough hot young perky feminine women. Every man is a...

www.sosuave.net

 

[Willie Naylor]

It's a very different mindset. You're looking for permanency and guarantees with women. A married woman who treats you like a king today could call the police on you tomorrow. You know that. I never take a woman's state for granted. They can change on you rapidly.

To enjoy women, you have to be able to think like women. Women are creatures of experience. Enjoy the experience with her. Whether that experience is a day, a week, a year. Nothing lasts forever.

If you are able to approach women for the "experience" and not the future-projection and trying to tie her down, then this is the wave-length to be on in the Western dating market.

If we are looking for marriage and family-creation then the West isn't for us. The downside risks are too huge.

However, if you accept that life is impermanent and nothing lasts forever, then you can start to live in the present and enjoy the moments you have with women without trying to keep her in your life.

Exactly.

So, for the man who wants a stable marriage and to start a family, there's nothing wrong with accepting that the 27 year old white chick with 99,000 Instagram followers isn't the one, and to seek a Japanese, or Czech, woman. Or, whatever other culture.

Doesn't mean he's failed. It just means he's accepted the fact that this is a mountain he can't successfully climb (Western women).

Not a knock on him that he can't successfully climb the mountain. No guy can.

 

[Willie Naylor]

Lets be honest about hypergamy

I listen to a video from Happy Hermit and it got me thinking. A males insatiable sex drive is akin to a females hypergamy. No matter how good the female you have at home you still want to smash the next hot 24 yr old. You can never smash enough hot young perky feminine women. Every man is a...

www.sosuave.net

I get that. I have read somewhere before that, even if she WANTS to cheat, if she's got a good thing with you, she won't.

Wherever I read this even went so far as to say that she could be in her car, driving to the hotel, to fvck this other guy....but she'll realize that she can't risk what she has, and will turn the car around.

I can see both sides. There's always the possibility she will cheat. The modern woman just assumes you'll never in a million years find out about it...so what's the harm?