Outrage Around the Country Over Viewing NBC's Tapes.

[Wyldfire]

About "teasing and bullying"...

Someone mentioned an incident in either junior high or high school where Cho refused to read outloud. The TEACHER threatened him with an F if he didn't read...and some of the kids in the class reacted by laughing at him. That was the fault of the teacher...she set the stage for that to happen.

The other instance was from grade school...he got pushed down on the playground...just like every other kid on the planet. Classmates said that he did not get picked on or teased above and beyond what every other kid is picked on or teased.

This is NOT a case of some shy kid who was tormented and tortured throughout life by other people. It's mental illness...and by the sounds of it, from a very young age. If it was Asperger's or another form of high functioning autism it would have been essentially from birth. As horrible as what this guy did is...he clearly was delusional and psychotic...and he didn't have a normal mental capacity. The only thing you can do about someone like Cho is not let him fall through the cracks. Many people allowed that to happen and did not do their job for whatever reason. In some ways I think it's easier to forgive someone who is criminally insane and knows not what they do than it is to forgive the multiple people who were too lazy or couldn't be bothered to put in a little extra work to prevent him from someday snapping and becoming so dangerous.

 

[Wyldfire]

My outrage is that some jackass ordered the flags be flown half-staff.

:cuss:

Cho: 1
U.S.: 0

The flag at half-staff means one wacko with two pistols hurt the whole nation.


What a slap in the face.

We'll lower the flag for 31 dead on a campus, but nevermind the hundreds of soldiers dying in Iraq? Ri-fuxxing-diculous!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/04/20070417.html

I think they DO fly them at half-staff in my area...

If some places don't maybe it's because we all know and expect that people in a war zone will sadly be killed. They are volunteer troops who chose to join the service and potentially put themselves in harm's way. Not so with the victims at Virginia Tech...not only did they not choose to put themselves in harm's way...the school essentially set them up as sitting ducks. Half-mast is appropriate in this tragedy.

 

[bigjohnson]

I wonder how many died this week on our nations highways?

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

Cho was certainly no slouch, in the two hour gap between the first reported shootings and the wider rampage that would occur later in the morning, during which time the University completely failed to warn the students despite having loudspeakers stationed throughout the campus, Cho had time to film a confession video, transfer it to his computer, burn it onto a DVD, package it up, travel to the post office, post the package, and travel back to his dorm room to retrieve his guns and then travel back to the opposite end of the campus to resume the killing spree. The almost inconceivable speed of Cho's actions become more suspicious when we recall initial reports that there were two shooters.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/190407mindcontrolled.htm

If even this paragraph is true... there is WAY more to the story.

This is some fvcked up sh*t.

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

And HOW THE HELL do you not warn people in a 2 HOUR GAP?!

 

[Wyldfire]

Oh...and the DARPA facility in Blacksburg is for flight engineering...it's research and since the shooter murdered one of the top research engineers in his little spree it blows the conspiracy theory right out the window. Our government may behave badly at times...but they certainly would not off one of the very research engineers that provides them with the information and technology they need for military engineering. They aren't THAT retarded...

 

[Wyldfire]

A right-wing website with the header, "a state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyrrany". Come on. This is standard far-left stuff, man. Blame America. America is bad, everyone else is good.



Well, that's good at least.

Well...one of the sites did appear to be an equal opportunity looney rant site because they accused Hillary Clinton of forcing that whacked chick I posted the you tube of to have oral sex with her.

What a bunch of fruitloops...honestly. Anyone buying into this nonsense just makes me shake my head...ridiculous.

 

[Last Man Standing]

A right-wing website with the header, "a state of war only serves as an excuse for domestic tyrrany". Come on. This is standard far-left stuff, man. Blame America. America is bad, everyone else is good.

Countries can't be bad - only individuals can be "bad".

You quoted one of the founding fathers of this country, by the way - I guess he is left-wing also The founding fathers of this country warned of such a state and thus made many checks and balances to ward off tyranny! But it is up to the citizens to ensure our liberties and not government officials!!! This is why we must seek truth and not blindly follow - if we blindly follow then it will be easy to fall into tyranny -- makes sense!

Alex is trying to preserve the constitution and the bill of rights - in this case it is the right to bear arms (right wing) - after the first ten minutes of the shooting the main stream media was pushing for "gun control" meaning disarm the citizenry - this is where this is going to lead!!

Don't trust the mainstream media - it's controlled by a select few who have big money and big agendas -- they don't represent the common people!!

Wyld, that professor was blocking the door to keep him away while the students were jumping out the window - that is how he got shot.

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

Our government may behave badly at times...but they certainly would not off one of the very research engineers that provides them with the information and technology they need for military engineering. They aren't THAT retarded...

Never doubt the power of stupidity. Ever.

If something idiotic CAN happen, it WILL happen.

 

[Call_Me_Daddy]

This is why we must seek truth and not blindly follow - if we blindly follow then it will be easy to fall into tyranny -- makes sense!

Just like the British, and the Germans, and the Russians... etc.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/04/19/antigay_group_to_picket_va_tech_funerals/

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

Somebody please tell me how the hell did these people determine the victim's religious beliefs?

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Believe it or not, and as disturbing as it was...those students left on that campus need to have some idea of "why" so that they can heal and move on. ...

I am thankful that I'm not one of those people who need "closure" in order to move on. It's as if they enjoy being in a self induced state of limbo.

 

[Wyldfire]

Countries can't be bad - only individuals can be "bad".

You quoted one of the founding fathers of this country, by the way - I guess he is left-wing also The founding fathers of this country warned of such a state and thus made many checks and balances to ward off tyranny! But it is up to the citizens to ensure our liberties and not government officials!!! This is why we must seek truth and not blindly follow - if we blindly follow then it will be easy to fall into tyranny -- makes sense!

Alex is trying to preserve the constitution and the bill of rights - in this case it is the right to bear arms (right wing) - after the first ten minutes of the shooting the main stream media was pushing for "gun control" meaning disarm the citizenry - this is where this is going to lead!!

Don't trust the mainstream media - it's controlled by a select few who have big money and big agendas -- they don't represent the common people!!

Wyld, that professor was blocking the door to keep him away while the students were jumping out the window - that is how he got shot.

The point is...the government would not EVER do something to set up that valuable of a person to them to get killed. Conspiracy theorists blame the government for everything like this.

Sigh...nevermind...if you don't comprehend the point I was making in the last post trying to explain it again is a waste of my time.

 

[Wyldfire]

These "people" argue that Christians never would have been murdered in the shooting spree, because "God doesn't do that to his servants". I hope they arrest anyone who dares try to disrupt the funerals and toss them in prison to find out how Large Marge and Bubba treat "God's servants".

If I had the money I'd hop on a plane myself and go down there and beat them all over the head with their own picket signs...radicals are such idiots.

 

[sparky0000]

Vulpine is your typical troll. He simply wants to start a little Internet flame war. Nobody could be so dumb as to trust their gov't. I don't care what country you are from.

 

[Wyldfire]

I am thankful that I'm not one of those people who need "closure" in order to move on. It's as if they enjoy being in a self induced state of limbo.

As long as a person doesn't get hung up on trying to understand why it can be very important in order to forgive. And before anyone yells that the shooter doesn't deserve forgiveness...if you understand the TRUE purpose of forgiveness then it will make sense. None of those victims can confront Cho...and there will be no "justice" in court. They're all just left hanging with what will turn into a deep anger if not properly processed. I think it's really important for the survivors and those affected by this to understand that this guy was suffering from severe mental illness. Then they are more likely to be able to forgive. Now, forgiveness is not for the other person...it's for the person who does the forgiving...because it's the key to being able to let go and move on from a traumatic experience that was caused by another person.

When you process bad things it allows you to avoid carrying around nasty emotional baggage that you carry around with you wherever you go. I have an amazing professor who teaches most of the classes I am taking for the Social and Human Services program I'm in. He is a very wise man in his 70's with several PhDs. He refers to emotionall baggage as "garbage we carry around in a big lawn bag thrown over our shoulder"...he says that people carry it around letting it get nice and full with all the things we stuff in it until it weighs us down so bad that we're dragging it behind us. Then all of a sudden when we can't handle dragging all the garbage behind us and someone pisses us off we dump our big bag of garbage all down over their head. He's right. That's what happens when people don't unpack their garbage as they go.

I don't think they need to show all of the stuff and replay it over and over and over again...but showing just enough to make it clear the guy was off his rocker will help those victims in the long run. I don't think they should show the pictures of the guns aimed at the camera, though...those images will be traumatic to the victims.

 

[Wyldfire]

Vulpine is your typical troll. He simply wants to start a little Internet flame war. Nobody could be so dumb as to trust their gov't. I don't care what country you are from.

You shouldn't trust them entirely, that's true...but you also shouldn't go to the other extreme and think they are secretly operating diabolical evil plans to kill us. Honestly now...

No government is without flaws...but aside from being self-serving and a bit greedy...they aren't satan epitomized either.

 

[Last Man Standing]

Cho's brother and sister work for the state department and the sister is an contractor for some Iraqi reconstruction program monitored by Condoleeza Rice

Another dude who attended cho's high school (westfield) shot people with an AK47 - he went ballistic as well!! Coincidence?? This high school has connections with Northrop Grumnan "Intelligence" Group (military contractor) - coincidence???

Cho was in ROTC - Reserved Officer Training Corp - pic with marine uniform - MARINE ROTC - students said he seemed to be well trained - commando precision!!

The point is...the government would not EVER do something to set up that valuable of a person to them to get killed. Conspiracy theorists blame the government for everything like this. .

Haha, your joking - right? Power hungry wicked people kill presidents in broad daylight, in a public square for all to see!!!

Who said he was "valuable"?? And if people are valuable then they probably know "too" much and more reason to kill 'em if you want to cover your tracks to those who know you!!

Read my previous post again - the professor put himself in harm's way -- cho killed indiscriminately - this is obvious!! The professor has nothing to do with this so why elaborate?? Oh yeah, you are trying to discredit "conspiracy realities"

 

[Wyldfire]

Cho brother and sister work for the state department and the sister is an contractor for some Iraqi reconstruction program monitored by Condoleeza Rice

Another dude who attended cho's high school (westfield) shot people with an AK47 - he went ballistic as well!! Coincidence?? This high school has connections with Northrop Grumnan "Intelligence" Group (military contractor) - coincidence???

Cho was in ROTC - Reserved Officer Training Corp - pic with marine uniform - MARINE ROTC - students said he seemed to be well trained - commando precision!!

Haha, your joking - right? Power hungry wicked people kill presidents in broad daylight, in a public square for all to see!!!

Who said he was "valuable"?? And if people are valuable then they probably know "too" much and more reason to kill 'em if you want to cover your tracks to those who know you!!

Read my previous post again - the professor put himself in harm's way -- cho killed indiscriminately - this is obvious!! The professor has nothing to do with this so why elaborate?? Oh yeah, you are trying to discredit "conspiracy realities"

Erm...witnesses in the building reported that the very first person he went for and shot was the teachers...nice try.

His school was in the DC area...which has a high crime rate. There were 5 kids from my highschool who committed suicide in a 2 year period. I guess that means the government made them do it. :crazy:

 

[Last Man Standing]

Erm...witnesses in the building reported that the very first person he went for and shot was the teachers...nice try.:

Again, you have no argument here - of course you shoot the person in front of the room closest to the door who is standing - he is your greatest threat and potential hindrance!! You wouldn't shoot those in the back of the room first and leave others escape or attack you from the rear!! Your rebuttals are weak and show prejudice in thinking without looking at factual information!!