Okay, so I'm a bastard....

[Vulpine]

lol@Latinoman

Sometimes, STR8UP, your posts are like reading little blurbs from my own experiences.

I've come to the same crossroads many times: do I go for the lay (because I want to), or, do I go with what I know?

I know you want to bang this chick, but, I also think you miss the fact that she wants to bang you, too. Ultimately, she's issued the terms and you are jumping through her hoops.

Ooops, bro.

It would be one thing if she issued these terms and was local, but she's not, she's going to be an LDR. So, she has no power with which to issue such demands. Effectively, if she's an HB9 locally, once you factor in all the hassle, games, wasted time/effort... she's an HB6 as an LDR. And, what if you put in all this effort to ƒuck this broad and it turns out she's got ridiculous beef curtains or some other aspect that completely turns you off?

Moreover, with all the eyes watching you, it would be tough to get much out of this relationsh¡t. And, here's where I think there is a little gold to be mined out of Latinoman's post.

I believe the spirit behind his post is more of a "be a better, more productive man" sort of angle. I'm the last one to criticize your rockstar lifestyle (I live/d it, too), but there are certain situations where NOT going for the lay serves you far better.

See, if you make a decision, in this case say something like "Unfortunately, we aren't in a position to have the relationship you or I want." And, you drop her as a plate, not only do you take back your frame, but you also demonstrate throughout your circle even HIGHER value/desirability. Since YOU have the presence/wherewithal and YOU make the choice not to pursue anything, you set yourself apart from AFC's by thinking with your head and not your cøck. I don't need to get much more into the benefits as I'm sure you can think them through yourself.

Now, the other part of Latinoman's post has some merit, too. Sometimes it sounds like "women" are a hobby of yours. I mean, there might be just too much exposure, if there is such a thing. If I were to speculate, I would say that, with overexposure, there could be a potential for you to be acting like a woman.

Now, I'm not calling you a woman, but, the drama? Are you living a soap opera daily? That might be the warning shot across your bow that LM is trying to deliver.

Yes, you've been screwed by taking the "moral high road" before, who hasn't? Here, however, I think it's not so much a question of morality, but of benefit/happiness. Would you be happier banging whoever you pleased? Or, would you be happier tip-toeing around your circle of friends to POTENTIALLY bang this chick? Which efforts yield the best results? Only you know.

Just to be clear, I KNOW this isn't going to end up going anywhere.

Exactly, so why bother?

I personally wouldn't bother to pursue this chick any further.

...(she could pursue ME, though, and I might even reward her for her efforts by ƒucking her... on MY terms.)

 

[DJDamage]

I know you want to bang this chick, but, I also think you miss the fact that she wants to bang you, too. Ultimately, she's issued the terms and you are jumping through her hoops.

Ooops, bro.

This makes perfect sense. Why not issue her your own counter argument saying that since this will become LDR and you don't do LDR that the two of you can date and if you are still together after she finishes college then it meant to be crackup: chicks eat those lines)

This all comes down to high interest, because if she is highly interested in you then she would agree to this arrangment no?!

You can still have hoe's in different area codes, but have them under your own terms not theirs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD8AFbD2mmE

 

[MacAvoy]

I know you want to bang this chick, but, I also think you miss the fact that she wants to bang you, too. Ultimately, she's issued the terms and you are jumping through her hoops.

Ooops, bro.

x3.

I also agree about how nexting her will increase your social proof. On the other hand, I'm curious how much social proof you have if all these women never see you enter into anything with anyone.

Given everything, I think its best to let sleeping dogs lie. Let her come to you on your terms.

 

[STR8UP]

Regardles of what you decide to do with the 22-year-old girl...the real issue is the drama you live.

Maybe you should start acting like a REAL man and associate yourself with male friends. Your "Sex and the City" lifestyle with your female friends is denying you from using healthy and positive masculinity. I have not watch Sex and the City enough (and have not desire to do that), so I am not sure if you are more of a Charlotte or Miranda.

Ahhh...another round in the cage with our resident serial boyfriend! (thankfully I got out of my serial boyfriend stage years ago!)

That's ok.....I'll bite.

Hmmm....lets see....male friends? Yea, I was at a MALE friends house yesterday. Maybe I should stop hanging out with him since he isn't a real man. He usually has a half dozen women tanning by his pool on a Sunday or accompanying him to my house for a warm up drink before we go out....

Yea, that would be the smart thing to do. Why would I want to hang out with another guy who knows lots of women? Maybe I shouldn't be stopping by his house when he has all of these half naked women in his pool and on his ski boat.....

Maybe I should turn down the invite from his g/f who asked me to come party with her and a few of her NBA dancer friends....

Maybe I need to be in a different business, where I don't get to hang out with models, some who have shot for Playboy...

Yea, it really sucks to be known and liked by lots of women.

I'm sure that plenty of guys would give their left nut to be able to hang out with half as many women as I do.

And as for male friends, yea, I hang with them and play Guitar Hero and drink beer just about as often as I hang out with friends of the OTHER gender, I just don't post about it because it's irrelevant on a discussion board focused on women.

And as for the crack at my masculinity, lets just say that you don't know me, but you can talk to ANY of the women I am confident that they will assure you that my masculine side is alive and well. And the ones I have boned? They would DEFINITELY set you straight.

I know you want to bang this chick, but, I also think you miss the fact that she wants to bang you, too. Ultimately, she's issued the terms and you are jumping through her hoops.

Unfortunately, unless you are only going for the random lay, you are almost ALWAYS getting sex "on her terms".

Think about it. Guy makes a move on first or second date. ASD kicks in and she says "No, no, i want to but no, we can't just yet".

You wanted it, and so did SHE, but it was on her terms. It's ALWAYS on her terms. Make sense?

And, what if you put in all this effort to ƒuck this broad and it turns out she's got ridiculous beef curtains or some other aspect that completely turns you off?

I have already fukked her, and she has since lost some baby fat and is quite hot. If I liked her before it's gonna be even better next time.

I believe the spirit behind his post is more of a "be a better, more productive man" sort of angle.

If that's the spirit of his post it certainly got lost behind the "I'm an alpha male and you're a cosmo sipping pu$$y" thing.

See, if you make a decision, in this case say something like "Unfortunately, we aren't in a position to have the relationship you or I want." And, you drop her as a plate, not only do you take back your frame, but you also demonstrate throughout your circle even HIGHER value/desirability.

Nobody in our circle knows there is anything going on between us.

Since YOU have the presence/wherewithal and YOU make the choice not to pursue anything, you set yourself apart from AFC's by thinking with your head and not your cøck. I don't need to get much more into the benefits as I'm sure you can think them through yourself.

Actually, the choice of me BEING with her is entirely up to me. I am the one making the decision. I say go, and it's on. Her little born again virgin thing is just a front. I agree to "have a relationship" with her, and she'll be all over my d!ck. Even if I don't hit it the first time, if she has the title in her pocket there is no doubt in my mind she will be all over me by the second time we meet up.

Now, the other part of Latinoman's post has some merit, too. Sometimes it sounds like "women" are a hobby of yours. I mean, there might be just too much exposure, if there is such a thing. If I were to speculate, I would say that, with overexposure, there could be a potential for you to be acting like a woman.

I'm not taking scrapbooking classes with these women, I can assure you. And due to the fact that I don't write posts about what I do with my male friends, people assume that I'm around chicks 24/7.

Truth be told, a couple of the most uncomfortable times in my life where when I was put in a situation where I was hanging out with multiple women without any other guys. It was "put a gun to my head and pull the trigger" MISERABLE.

So, no, I'm not feminized in the slightest bit by my interactions with women.

Now, I'm not calling you a woman, but, the drama? Are you living a soap opera daily? That might be the warning shot across your bow that LM is trying to deliver.

No offense, but I'm sick of hearing this crap about "drama".

Women ARE drama. And I don't necessarily mean the kind that needs to be treated with medication. I'm talking about normal, everyday situations where IF YOU ARE SPINNING PLATES as everyone is adamant about, there WILL be minor issues with jealousy and such.

If you aren't experiencing SOME tension, you AREN'T DESIRABLE. Point blank.

I walk away from REAL drama, but I understand the female competition dynamic, and I use is to my advantage consciously and subconsciously.

Any man without what you call "drama" in his life is either in a committed relationship (and many of those are full of the worst kind of drama), or gets NO PLAY.

x3.

I also agree about how nexting her will increase your social proof. On the other hand, I'm curious how much social proof you have if all these women never see you enter into anything with anyone.

Nexting her will do nothing since she is only linked to my circle by one person who doesn't even know about any of this.

And as for how much social proof I have if "they never see me entering into anything with anyone"?

Lets put it this way. When most of these women see me they ask me WHO I am doing nowadays instead of HOW. I don't fukk a ton of women, but perception is reality, and it is firmly on my side when it comes to this.

 

[wjh]

str8, you got this. You're not a pu55y. Keep everything in perspective and you'll be fine. Men are dogs, right? Well lets give these girls something to b1tch about why should we be so damn righteous? Let's get what we want and keep it moving.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

That's why I said I would be a "bastard" for going into this cause there wouldn't be a chance in hell that I would be "faithful".

As far as she knows you will be faithful. You're in the relationship for the wrong reasons and telling her to trust what YOU believe - but you don't believe it what you're telling her? So you're being dishonest from the get go? Hmm sounds like someone will put his own integrity aside in order to get p*ssy. That's what you're doing sir.

It's not just sex to her if it's a relationship - even if she is tempted she will still have feelings for you....FEEEELINGS. Hey check out this scenario! She doesn't cheat, she finds out you cheat and it's over. You lied to a girl and broke the rules of a mutual agreement. You deceive another person out of fear that they'll hurt you first. I don't care about what you THINK another person would do - YOU are responsible for the way YOU treat people. You tell this girl you're getting into a relationship to be exclusive and you don't...nothing good is going to come of it.


Are you SURE you're not lacking options?

I've spent many years being the pawn in women's games. I no longer accept the proposition that a woman is allowed to keep herself open to options, while a man must close off his.

Fu<kin wah.

When are you going to stop basing your actions off of thinking you're a martyr? You've been victimized in the past and you're all butt-hurt because you were the good guy who got walked all over. NOW you want to turn it around on someone else who probably hasn't done anything to hurt or run game on you? This isn't a pragmatic approach, it's an immature one. Make it clear what you want. That, in my opinion is what a man does. If pu$$y and the potential to play with someone else's feeling is worth it then good luck.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

If lying to get pu$$y and the potential to play with someone else's feelings in a negative way is worth it then good luck.

I like this quote. I like it.

 

[KontrollerX]

I like aliasguy's quote better...

Cynical is merely a dirty word for pattern recognition.

Str8up has to do what will benefit him first above anyone else.

In fact thats what we all should be doing.

Thats how you survive in the real world and not a Saturday morning cartoon utopia world fantasy a lot of you morality crew guys are living in.

 

[princelydeeds]

If you were just going for the quick lay, or the every now and again poke, I would say go for it. Getting in or even implying that some kind of committed relationship is in effect is a waste of time and an amateur move. You should be able to bang this broad several times without having to lie and go along with the relationship thing. If she is your woman, that is a bunch of time, phone calls, im's etc. that you are going to have to deal with. Seems like you could better utilize your time. I don't have enough in common with a 22 yr old, that I could see myself having more than one or two conversations. The first time she bothered me with sum 22 yr old college drama, I don't think I would ever want to speak with her ever again.

I've learned that young hotties grow up to be older women with (slightly) better heads on their shoulders.

 

[STR8UP]

As far as she knows you will be faithful. You're in the relationship for the wrong reasons and telling her to trust what YOU believe - but you don't believe it what you're telling her? So you're being dishonest from the get go? Hmm sounds like someone will put his own integrity aside in order to get p*ssy. That's what you're doing sir.

Picture this.

You're almost 37 years old. You have a hot 22 yo who you get along great with, who is bright eyed and bushy tailed, been in and out of relationships for the past few years who wants a "relationship" with you.

You have been there, done that, and realize that this girl is still living in a fantasy world of "happily ever after".

You realize that there is an overwhelming chance that things will go down a certain way. In other words, she will eventually find a guy closer to her age at school and guess what? Sorry STR8UP

Oh yea, just found out she's going to be living in a co-ed dorm Naw, she's not gonna party with BOYS......

You've been victimized in the past and you're all butt-hurt because you were the good guy who got walked all over. NOW you want to turn it around on someone else who probably hasn't done anything to hurt or run game on you?

So what you are saying is that a person who becomes conscious of "the game" should be held to a higher standard?

How noble. Not to one's advantage, but noble, nonetheless.

Do you really think this girl is going to be any worse off if I am out there keeping my options open JUST LIKE SHE IS? Just like every other woman who is constantly scanning the radar for a bigger ship to jump aboard?

See, in the past I had the utmost respect for a b/f g/f relationship. I finally woke up and realized that EVERYONE ELSE treated it as a dress rehearsal, kind of as it should be. I was the one unknowingly holding myself to a higher standard because I WASN'T conscious of how things really work. Now that i know the score, why shouldn't I play the game the same way it has been played against me in EVERY single relationship I have ever had?

I'm not saying that I am going to be running around screwing different women every weekend. I don't do that now. All I'm saying is that I'm going to do exactly what she is going to do with me, which is acknowledge that we have a "status" so it's ok to do the deed and not feel all dirty, then turn around and keep my options open.

Your post might win popular opinion, but that's not what I'm going for here. I'm gonna live my life according to how nature has set it out to be...not some idealized fantasy that the rest of the world would benefit from having me believe.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

I like aliasguy's quote better...



Str8up has to do what will benefit him first above anyone else.

In fact thats what we all should be doing.

Thats how you survive in the real world and not a Saturday morning cartoon utopia world fantasy a lot of you morality crew guys are living in.

[size=+3]AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!![/size]

 

[ThunderMaverick]

You blaa blaa'd STR8.

You bla bla'd about how you're basically justified in showing someone what you THINK someone wants you to be. You're making yourself out to be a liar. You will LIE to get your own way. You will LIE to and use someone else to make you feel good about yourself. Why are you making this little problem you have her problem also?

There's plenty of women I could have bullsh*tted. I didn't. I didn't get any. I wasn't worse off because of it. I felt good about my stance. Integrity makes me feel good about myself. That's just me. On the other hand there were plenty of women I've been "STR8UP" with and we've had weekend long f*ck bouts. I don't walk over people to get my rocks off. I'm forward. If they want to play the game with the rules I lay down, then my bases are covered. I'm not presenting anything fake to someone I'm going to get involved with. It only makes things complicated if I do.

I'm gonna live my life according to how nature has set it out to be...not some idealized fantasy that the rest of the world would benefit from having me believe.

I guess blatant calculated deceit is natural. I can't argue with that.

Edit: In my opinion, you're not living up to your name.

 

[STR8UP]

And another thing.....

Although I will be the first to b!tch slap the defeatist attitude out of the 30 something shmuck who thinks he's washed up with younger women, I have to face the fact that I'm not getting any younger.

I'm sure I have a long run ahead of me, but pulling prime tail like this DOES get a bit more difficult with age, mitigating factors aside.

I'm not saying that there are no "mitigating factors" in my situation, because there are, and I still feel like I am far from my peak, but to pass up opportunities such as this would be foolish, even though I am sure there are more in the pipeline.

I already regret enough of the things that I DIDN'T do in the past. I'm trying to put those days behind me.

 

[STR8UP]

I guess blatant calculated deceit is natural. I can't argue with that.

Again, so it's ok for a woman because she doesn't think about it, but for a man who has studied human nature and knows the score it's wrong?

Double standard.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

Umm.. I never said anything about what she'd do. I'm not talking about her actions. I'm talking about yours. You are knowingly determining the outcome. You could think you know what happens, but you really don't. You could be right though. My issue is that you are knowingly having someone trust you all while planning on abusing that trust. Little girl or not it seems she wanted to make an effort. Is she trying to lie to you? I don't know. You, however, KNOW that YOU are lying.

You have this idea in your head that you're drowning in time and compensating for it with younger tail. You can't find another 22 year old that's down to just screw? You should go to a rave. =3



Yes you know the score but in my opinion, just because you know how to rob a bank doesn't mean that you should.

 

[KontrollerX]

"Yes you know the score but in my opinion, just because you know how to rob a bank doesn't mean that you should."

http://www.amw.com/

I think thats the URL you were looking for when you came here by accident chief.

Time for you to cut back on the bottles of Thunderbird and skunk weed I guess.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

hahhahahahahahahahaha

Kudos on that clever joke, X.

No wonder you have so many rep bars!

 

[KontrollerX]

"No wonder you have so many rep bars!"

Feeling small eh?

Bet its not the first time either. :crackup:

Back to the bush leagues with you sonny jim...

http://www.nextlevelgame.net

 

[ketostix]

I've seen the LDR work and not work just like any local relationship.I still stand by my post in this thread I made earlier. I think Str8up you should go for it.

 

[Latinoman]

Ahhh...another round in the cage with our resident serial boyfriend! (thankfully I got out of my serial boyfriend stage years ago!)

That's ok.....I'll bite.

Hmmm....lets see....male friends? Yea, I was at a MALE friends house yesterday. Maybe I should stop hanging out with him since he isn't a real man. He usually has a half dozen women tanning by his pool on a Sunday or accompanying him to my house for a warm up drink before we go out....

Yea, that would be the smart thing to do. Why would I want to hang out with another guy who knows lots of women? Maybe I shouldn't be stopping by his house when he has all of these half naked women in his pool and on his ski boat.....

Maybe I should turn down the invite from his g/f who asked me to come party with her and a few of her NBA dancer friends....

Maybe I need to be in a different business, where I don't get to hang out with models, some who have shot for Playboy...

Yea, it really sucks to be known and liked by lots of women.

I'm sure that plenty of guys would give their left nut to be able to hang out with half as many women as I do.

And as for male friends, yea, I hang with them and play Guitar Hero and drink beer just about as often as I hang out with friends of the OTHER gender, I just don't post about it because it's irrelevant on a discussion board focused on women.

And as for the crack at my masculinity, lets just say that you don't know me, but you can talk to ANY of the women I am confident that they will assure you that my masculine side is alive and well. And the ones I have boned? They would DEFINITELY set you straight.

1- I only had 4 girlfriends in my life (noting that I have been having sex for over 25 years) and only been married once. Plenty of ONS and lovers and affairs.

2- I have a girlfriend now, because I want to and I can. I don't come in here creating a thread asking if I should have a girlfriend or a lover. I do what I want. I don't seek approval from others.

3- You have parties in your home. Of course you will have a lot of "friends". However, what you call "friends", I would call "opportunists".

4- I know you enough after reading dozens of your threads and hundreds of your posts. I still stand by my remarks on the Sex and the City simile.

5- "Yea, it really sucks to be known and liked by lots of women. I'm sure that plenty of guys would give their left nut to be able to hang out with half as many women as I do." <-- I rather be in Iraq's war zone than be in your shoes. You are one of the unhappiest, insecure, and unhealthiest (mentally speaking) posters in this board. But you are getting better.