Obummer calls for police to respect the looters.....

[Maximus Rex]

Rex Says Pt. II

Ask him what the Democratic Party did for blacks and Civil Rights,

The Democratic Party isn't the savior of black people.

not to mention lifting them up to this very day.

What are these wonderful Democrats doing to lift up blacks today? If you go to Chicago or Detroit, those people would say not a damn thing.

Again, you are making things up.

Actually, I'm not, because you initially said this on Post 125 of the thread,

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=218729&page=7

Spin it anyway you like Rex, Affirmative Action helped blacks just as much as it did other minorities and women.

Which most people would interpret as meaning all groups involved received equal benefit. Then in that same sentence you said what you said in following quote.

I said that women, minorities, and blacks advanced because of it, and they did. It's not my opinion at all, it's a fact. Blacks advanced over the years because of Affirmative Action did they not?

Essentially you two different things in two different sentences. The point I was making was that one group benefited more than the others.

Without it, some blacks would never have been in higher positions. And you want to deny that? LOL

How do you rationalize sh*t? Again what I said was that white women were the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action, then you come make baseless assumptions and back away from your statement when I've proved you wrong.

All you do, is want to argue stupid bvllsh1t twisting everything around. That's because you know you are wrong and refuse to admit it. :yes:

Naw, you do that bruh.

Doesn't matter if it was 10, 100, 1000, 100,000, or 1,000,000 blacks, they still advanced under the program which was it designed to do, to give them helping hand.

If 100 Women, 100 Hispanics, 100 Asians, 100 Blacks all advanced under Affirmative action, they still advanced because of the program, if there was no Affirmative Action they wouldn't hold their job today.

Okay.

There were less than 200 cases of voter fraud in the last election which equates to nothing. Those 200 votes did nothing.

Election Day Impersonation, An Impetus for Voter ID Laws, a Rarity, Data Show, http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/election-day-impersonation-an-impetus-for-voter-id-laws-a-rarity-data-show/2012/08/11/7002911e-df20-11e1-a19c-fcfa365396c8_story.html

Comprehensive Database of U.S. Voter Fraud Uncovers No Evidence That Photo ID Is Needed

http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/

Holy Sh*t, you were finally right about something.

This is why you are Ignoramus Rex, you don't know what's going on, but you continue you to argue with me spouting off stupid sh1t in which you know nothing about.

Dude, not for knowing you've done exactly that for this entire thread, you've tried to pass you opinions off as fact and only concerning this Voter ID thing have you proven to be right.

I know you never said to get a separate ID, the new VOTER ID Laws requires you to get a separate VOTER ID in which you have to pay $5 to get or you can't vote. You shouldn't have to pay money in order to exercise your right to vote. That's why blacks are against it in poor communities. That's a poll tax Einstein.

What states wanted to charge $5 for a voter ID card? After doing a quick Google search, I saw that the states that did have these things, are giving them away for free, but the question how long before the state sees this as a potential source of revenue. http://www.alabamavoterid.com/getFreePhotoVoterID.aspx

The problem is Rex, a 98 year old woman's drivers license from 20+ years ago is expired. When she would try to use that license at her polling location she would be denied her right to vote because it's expired and they said she didn't look the same as pictured.

If said woman's Social Security check was to stop coming and she needed ID at the Social Security office, she'd move mountains to get one. It's all an issue of priorities.

Voter ID laws force seniors to purchase a voter id's and take a picture or they can't vote.

From what my very quick research revealed, no state is charging for voter ids, maybe I'm wrong.

And you say that's not discriminatory for people who fought for our freedom, and for civil rights who have been voting all their life?

Even though the articles are I posted revealed that instances of voter fraud rare, I don't think that we should wait around until there is an instance of widespread voter fraud before we decide to do something about it. One of the problems with society is that we're reactive to things, as opposed to being proactive to solving problems. Having people present valid ID before their vote or register to vote is a proactive solution to what could potentially be a big problem one day.

 

[Jaylan]

Oh lord, Rex and Rascal...just stop it lol. Too many long posts...too much bold...I cant take it lol

For real, the only dude on here written novels and no one is taking the time to read it.

Gotta agree.

Why does everyone of your posts have to be 8 Million words?

Drugs?

Lol, I asked myself the same thing. Rascal makes good posts on Sosuave a fair amount of the time, but half the time I gloss over them because of the unnecessary fluff and length.

 

[Stagger Lee]

If you argue that police tend to be too discourteous, aggressive, often use too much force and get away with it, are becoming to militarized etc, then I think you have a valid argument and a discussion.

But if argue "people of color" are facing the brunt of it just because of their color or use the Brown case before the facts are in and make it about race, then it just a racial agenda and you invalidate the argument. Police are equal opportunity thugs. When we police beat up or shoot unarmed whites, they get away with it too.

You have to clean up your own house, neighborhood or community first before you can throw blame elsewhere.

 

[Maximus Rex]

...are becoming to militarized etc, then I think you have a valid argument and a discussion.

Dude, the police and sheriff's departments are paramilitary organizations. By their definitions they should be militarized. Personally, I think that we hold the military to a higher standard than we law enforcement.

Police are equal opportunity thugs. When we police beat up or shoot unarmed whites, they get away with it too.

Dude, blacks are disproportionately effective by police brutality, which is the reason why we're so passionate about this issue, because every police person in America has had a f*cked up experience with a cop. Elderly black people and children shouldn't have a poor opinion of the police, but they do.

The fact of the matter is that police don't f*ck with members of other communities as much as do with the black community is because they don't perceive those people as threats or criminals. Also, if the police decided they were to start f*cking with people, those people would hold the police brass and local politicians accountable if the police department started running a muck in their community, something that black people don't do.

You have to clean up your own house, neighborhood or community first before you can throw blame elsewhere.

Agreed.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Because they commit more violence and crime. It's like why muslims are looked at suspiciously and are probably contacted by law enforcement more.

Take the Brown case as an example. If he hadn't strong-armed robbed a store and walked down the middle of the street, he most likely would've never encountered the officer. If he had cooperated with the officer and not fought, he would've been arrested for the robbery, but would not have gotten shot. His friend with him was not arrested, charged or harmed because he didn't do anything violent or criminal.

You have to clean up your own house before you can place blame on others. If you clean up your own house you'll likely find these issues resolve themselves. The reason whites have less problems with the police is because they cause a much lower rate of problems for the police. The ones that do, are treated just as harshly by police.

 

[speed dawg]

Dude, blacks are disproportionately effective by police brutality, which is the reason why we're so passionate about this issue, because every police person in America has had a f*cked up experience with a cop. Elderly black people and children shouldn't have a poor opinion of the police, but they do.

That hate is taught from when the kids are very young. I know, I grew up in a 50/50 white/black town and we all went to school together. I heard it first hand. Racism in the black community was defined as, "white folks don't like black folks". Parents teach that sh*t. Not all, but the majority. It was stupid then and stupid now. I guarandamntee you that cops do NOT want to pull over a carload of black thugs at night, they know the danger. That perception exists for a reason, and it isn't because their skin is black.

The fact of the matter is that police don't f*ck with members of other communities as much as do with the black community is because they don't perceive those people as threats or criminals. Also, if the police decided they were to start f*cking with people, those people would hold the police brass and local politicians accountable if the police department started running a muck in their community, something that black people don't do.

Have you ever wondered WHY? You, Gaylan, Fatal Jay and others can spin, shame, etc. all you want but the bottom line is that I am not a white supremicist. That's your way of dodging the truth. Gaylan's vagina is so hurt that he resorted to d*ck size (I know he knows all about it through his numerous male experimentations). Side step side step, your ass is going to be line dancing pretty soon. You are going to have to address the BEHAVIOR of the black people in these poor communities at some point.

We do finally agree on cleaning up your own neighborhood first. I get it, nobody likes to hear the truth about your own people when it's damning. But it is what it is.

 

[Jaylan]

^Im no more responsible for what people in Ferguson do, no more than my white friends are responsible for the stupid shi!t you say on this forum. You'll find no post on this forum of me disparaging white people as a whole with terms like honkey, cracker, or anything similar. Yet you and noobology have used terms like mudshark, thug, and the N-word. Cry that you arent a white supremacist all you want, but the only time I come across terms like mudshark and the N word are on racist forums like stormfront, or when racist posters troll boards I read.

And Im very serious when I say I never see the term mudshark on any place but racist forums like stormfront or vnnforum. That said, you can keep whining online like you always do. Like I said, men like you are useless and accomplish nothing. I never could understand people who are so obsessed with hating on another race constantly and going as far as to bash people who date interracially. You care way too damn much. Youre like an AFC obsessing over the puzzy he's never gonna get. Because ill repeat....youre basically just an internet troll who keeps his mouth shut in the real world and influences no change in society.

You are as useless as a 30 yr old AFC thats bitter at the world because of his poor record with women and his low lay count.

Because they commit more violence and crime. It's like why muslims are looked at suspiciously and are probably contacted by law enforcement more.

Take the Brown case as an example. If he hadn't strong-armed robbed a store and walked down the middle of the street, he most likely would've never encountered the officer. If he had cooperated with the officer and not fought, he would've been arrested for the robbery, but would not have gotten shot. His friend with him was not arrested, charged or harmed because he didn't do anything violent or criminal.

You have to clean up your own house before you can place blame on others. If you clean up your own house you'll likely find these issues resolve themselves. The reason whites have less problems with the police is because they cause a much lower rate of problems for the police. The ones that do, are treated just as harshly by police.

Again I ask, are people such as yourself missing the articles and new security footage showing Brown pay for his merchandise? What about the articles where the store owner's attorney said they didnt call police?

Combine this with the shady past and present of the Ferguson PD and your assertions fall apart. Nevermind the fact that witnesses dispute the officer's story. Its no surprise that Ferguson PD was selective in the security footage they released--incomplete as it was. Its also no surprise that the PD is singing a different story than witnesses...the same PD that arrested and beat an innocent man a few years ago thanks to mistaken identity and coverup attempts.

 

[( . )( . )]

bla bla bla

Votes for bigger gov and less personal freedoms.....complains when "he" gets bigger gov and less personal freedoms. :crazy:

A mewling libtard vagina whining about police. Anyone else seeing the irony here?

 

[speed dawg]

Votes for bigger gov and less personal freedoms.....complains when "he" gets bigger gov and less personal freedoms. :crazy:

Gender guesser still says Gaylilly is a weak female.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

Again I ask, are people such as yourself missing the articles and new security footage showing Brown pay for his merchandise? What about the articles where the store owner's attorney said they didnt call police?

Can you provide some links here? Either way, Brown did Assault the store owner. That can't be disputed.

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

Fox news and Hannity killing it tonight. Anyone interested in this story should be checking it out.

 

[Jaylan]

Can you provide some links here? Either way, Brown did Assault the store owner. That can't be disputed.

You miss the point of my earlier post. There's a reason the powers that be told Ferguson PD not to stupidly release security footage...especially incomplete footage before any court proceedings.

Whats disputable is the officer and the PD's account of the whole situation. Why is why the whole store issue doesnt matter much outside of the fact that the PD was trying to cover their ass by trying to make Brown look bad and make themselves look like saints.

Plus, if it can be proven that no theft occurred, it blows the whole "state of mind" issue out of the water. Combine that with witnesses disputing the officer's version of events, and things dont look good for Ferguson PD. I think the feds knew all this, which is why there originally was a directive not to stupidly release any tape.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...m-His-Store-Called-Cops-To-Report-Cigar-Theft

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/...-Brown-appears-to-have-paid-for-those-cigars#

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/15/store-owners-talk-about-surveillance-released/

And you can find articles on other sites as well. Doubtful Fox News Channel will discuss these things on air though. Id say this guy makes a good analysis of the video.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/did-michael-brown-steal-cigars-or-pay-for-them/

EDIT: Ive also read that the officer was allowed to drive his vehicle away from the scene. If there was a struggle in or on his car, isnt it part of the crime scene?

 

[Peaks&Valleys]

There's a reason the powers that be told Ferguson PD not to stupidly release security footage...especially incomplete footage before any court proceedings.

Whats disputable is the officer and the PD's account of the whole situation. Why is why the whole store issue doesnt matter much outside of the fact that the PD was trying to cover their ass by trying to make Brown look bad and make themselves look like saints.

They weren't trying to "cover their ass". They were releasing FACTS, and trying to not let the left wing media and the family's lies combine to loot and destroy the whole town.

Plus, if it can be proven that no theft occurred, it blows the whole "state of mind" issue out of the water.

No, not really. He Still bullied and manhandled the store owner. If that story is correct then the store owner probably didn't call the cops because he was scared. Snitches get stitches remember. Didn't want his whole store to get burned down because of it, which.....whoops, what do you know, it did.

Combine that with witnesses disputing the officer's version of events, and things dont look good for Ferguson PD.

The witnesses have all been discredited. Your confirmation bias is missing quite a few key elements to the witnesses statements.

And, it just so happens that no one, has the full scene recorded. There are eye witness reports of what happened, but none of these people have the whole thing recorded. It's only AFTER MB was killed that they started recording. How convenient.

Take your head out of your a$$.

I think the feds knew all this, which is why there originally was a directive not to stupidly release any tape.

The Feds? Like who, Holder? He's bumbling this thing just as bad as the rest of the black leaders down there. He, along with many other people, WANT this to be a white on black shooting. They want it to be a race thing. They DON'T want MB to be a thug who brought the shooting on himself. THAT is why "the Feds" didn't want the tape released.

EDIT: Ive also read that the officer was allowed to drive his vehicle away from the scene. If there was a struggle in or on his car, isnt it part of the crime scene?

Where'd you hear that? From the same place that sprung that other propaganda? If it was true, or even relevant in some way, then why isn't anyone else reporting it. You can throw 100 pieces of meaningless, hearsay, half-truths at a story, it doesn't mean they're going to add up, or all of the sudden turn into relevant FACTS. With as much scrutiny as this case is going to get, hopefully the only thing that will come out of all of this will be the truth. If the Cop doesn't get charged, or is charged and gets acquitted, I just hope, by that time, that you and everyone else who's apparently blind to what the rest of the world is seeing, will open their eyes.

On your second link, I got as far as:

Anyone attempting to justify this shooting by calling Michael Brown a "thug" or a "criminal" or who says that "he had a rap sheet" as various people have claimed over the past few days is, clearly, a racist.

Of course.

Most people are not "justifying" the shooting because MB was a "thug". I'm looking at EVERYTHING. THAT is why, at this point, I am believing the cop's stories over the "witnesses". And THAT doesn't make me a racist. So GTFO of here with that bull$hit.

 

[zekko]

If there are problems with the police in Ferguson and people want to protest that, then that is perfectly understandable. But why pick a strong arm robber to rally behind?

 

[speed dawg]

If there are problems with the police in Ferguson and people want to protest that, then that is perfectly understandable. But why pick a strong arm robber to rally behind?

No sh*t. What type of stupidity does it show for blacks/libs to pick a criminal as their martyr? At least Traaayvuuun was somewhat understandable.

 

[Jaylan]

*yawn* I knew I was wasting my time responded to Peaks. Considering he gets his news from Hannity and finds the dude at all credible should have told me Id be debating with another wall here. Like someone said earlier, most people already have their mind made up. Any facts that they get now will be twisted and danced back to their already chosen conclusion.

But as I said before, its not surprising that with all the other cases Ive shard here of police misconduct and harming of innocent people, that the media gets everyone into a frenzy over this Brown case. Hell, they know whats up. Its not like people here are taking their time to create threads of Dillon Taylor and John Crawford. The story isnt juicy enough and its even clearer in those cases how dumb police behaved. But even in the comments I see on those cases, there were still a few idiots that tried to rationalize the bumbling police actions.

Carry on.

 

[Jaylan]

One more thing though. Im sick of Don Lemon. The dude is like the CNN go-to anchor for continuous round the clock coverage on the each weeks hot news story. I was sick of him back when that Malaysian airplane went missing, because he was on tv all evening and all night it seemed. And then all day on the weekends he was on too lol.

Props to him for being a hard working man, but dude shut the fvk up. He's part of why I got sick of CNN. I watch international media outlets now. Less biased than American news anyways.

Edit : Let me make another comment on the case regarding the "state of mind" argument. It would male no sense to argue that Brown attacked the officer if Brown knew he committed no crime (based on the new video). If all he did was shove a store clerk, why would he attack was officer.?

A friend of mine was attacked by a guy outside a bar back in college. I had to jump in and try and save him. Cops broke it up and no one went after the first responding officer. Hell even the big guy who attacked my friend stopped as soon as he realized it was an officer grabbing at us all. And situations like that happen all the time, so i cant understand any line of thought saying Brown had the state of mind to attack an officer andgo for his gun.

The kid wasn't one to get in huge amounts of trouble with police....so why would shoving a store clerk mean he would attack police? Ferguson PD arent to be trusted easily given their record of corruption...nevermind their handling of this case.

 

[Stagger Lee]

its funny that the same people who tried to isolate the last moments of struggle between trayvon and zimmerman as the key focus of the trial are the same ones saying "look at the footage michael brown was a bad apple. he was strong arming a store owner!"

No, the Trayvon attacking Martin is the key to what happened. And in the Brown case it's the same thing. If Brown attacked the officer then that and the store robbery are all very relevant.

whether he did steal 5$ worth of merchandise from a store IS COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to what happened during his altercation with the cop and trying to assassinate his character is poor form and a desperate legal strategy to sway public opinion.

The robbery is not irrelevant and his own actions are "assassinating" his character., just like walking in middle of the street, and purportedly attacking the officer after the officer double back when he realized Brown was a suspect in the robbery, is relevant to his state of mind, character and actiuons of Brown.

the officer didnt even know he allegedly just robbed a store. he stopped them kids because they were walking in the street. if the cop was answering a call about the alleged robbery it would be completely different because there would be probably cause without a doubt. the cop would be doing his job legitmately.

It's reported that the officer did realize Brown was a suspect of the robbery at some point before the physical altercation. And even if the officer didn't know about the robbery when he first encountered the two blocking the street, how was the officer not doing his job to confront them?

i have to imagine what kind of upbringing people had who dont understand why so many citizens are fed up with the cops. im assuming sheltered for a lack of a better word.

Or maybe they are just people who stay on the right side of the law and when they encounter police, they don't fight the police?

theres no reason this kid had to die. plenty of little prlck white kids knocking stores off all the time. they just get away with it more readily than any minority would (as with many other types of crimes)

Ridiculous assertion with no basis in fact. The reason this "kid" died is allegedly because he attacked the officer, twice.

but theres one good thing coming from all of this. the real racists and psychos are outting themselves left and right. hanging themselves with their own tongues. from internet posts neo nazis claiming how many guns they have at the ready for the coming "race war" and supplemental internet posts that typicaly read "good riddance one less animal to worry about" to public statements by authority figures

Because only white people can be racist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zbR824FKpU
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Ferguson-pushed-CNN-s-Don-Lemon-live-air.html

so its not just about this kid its about this country turning into a fuking police state right under our noses. whose to blame? the dems who want a bigger central government? or obsolete racist conservative baby boomers who want nothing better than to remove those they deem less than human?

You're right this "kid" has little to do with whether this country is racist or a police state. I'd argue the reason this country is turning into a police state is because it's turning into a crime state due to the race hustler riling people up and immigration bringing in violence and criminal prone people.

we shouldnt have fuking MRAPS patrolling the streets of US cities. cops shouldnt be armed with fuking m4s and flash bangs. this isnt fuking Kabul and these aholes arent soldiers. if they wanted a 0 risk job without all the stress they should do everyone a fuking favor and quit. but i guess when youre already a racist and classist you want nothing more than to have a job where you can legally carry firearms and shoot at youre discretion. after all its better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 right?

this is the reason I AM FOR gun rights. because if citizens are armed you would see much less of this shlt going on just from the knowledge of the PDs that people ARE armed. plain and simple.

and if the gaurd is going to be called in, it should be to keep these fuking oath breakers in check.

Well none of that has anything to do with the Brown case really. There was no M4s, MRAPS patrolling etc involved in the initial altercation.

 

[Jaylan]

^Ferguson PD has consistently stated that the officer knew nothing of a supposed robbery. Plus, additional security footage disputes the robbery claim.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Edit : Let me make another comment on the case regarding the "state of mind" argument. It would male no sense to argue that Brown attacked the officer if Brown knew he committed no crime (based on the new video). If all he did was shove a store clerk, why would he attack was officer.?

Why would he shove a store clerk, which can get you arrested, if he wasn't robbing the store?

A friend of mine was attacked by a guy outside a bar back in college. I had to jump in and try and save him. Cops broke it up and no one went after the first responding officer. Hell even the big guy who attacked my friend stopped as soon as he realized it was an officer grabbing at us all. And situations like that happen all the time, so i cant understand any line of thought saying Brown had the state of mind to attack an officer andgo for his gun.

What's that have to do with the price of tea in China? When cops break up drunken bar fights they rarely arrest anyone if the actors cooperate with police. But if you shove a store clerk/owner that is a whole different matter. Doing something like that, then walking down the middle of a street speak to your state of mind that you're a thug who just might get violent with a police officer.

The kid wasn't one to get in huge amounts of trouble with police....so why would shoving a store clerk mean he would attack police? Ferguson PD arent to be trusted easily given their record of corruption...nevermind their handling of this case.

Police bad, all the black people in Ferguson are good and honest even when they shove store clerks, block the street, give questionable witness accounts, loot and riot dur.