Observations on Phoenix's Scene

[GoodMan32]

Women are cooped up and bored and the heat makes people show skin when they're outdoors. Personally and anecdotally from others, the heat can make you a little horny.

That being said, this going from highs of 110 to 70 in one month is a giant load of bullsh1t.

I know, bullsh1t indeed. The most comfortable season is somewhere in the middle.

On that note, have you noticed the past 2 Springs have been cooler than usual (highs in the 60s have lingered into March and even April)? (And then, of course, the Summer heat rapidly comes)

 

[GoodMan32]

That is so great!

The skin-showing thing was what made the guy I was hanging out with pick that specific woman to approach. She was wearing short shorts and an extremely skimpy tanktop (even by tanktop standards)

 

[SW15]

The skin-showing thing was what made the guy I was hanging out with pick that specific woman to approach. She was wearing short shorts and an extremely skimpy tanktop (even by tanktop standards)

Many men believe that provocative attire can show an openness to new sexual partners.

There's a common saying "Don't advertise if you're not selling".

 

[BaronOfHair]

Many men believe that provocative attire can show an openness to new sexual partners.

There's a common saying "Don't advertise if you're not selling".

Heterosexual women receive an ego boost each time a man/multiple men give them attention. "Provocative" attire is a sure-fire way of achieving that goal. None of this is especially mysterious, especially compared to questions such as "Why is Grey's Anatomy still going here in '24?"

 

[SW15]

Heterosexual women receive an ego boost each time a man/multiple men give them attention.

They enjoy the attention. It's true in Phoenix during the warmer months and other settings.

"Provocative" attire is a sure-fire way of achieving that goal.

The warm weather for at least 6 months of the year helps with women wearing less clothing.

Many women in Phoenix stay in good shape because they know they'll be wearing less clothing for about half the year.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I enjoy visiting Phoenix. Living there is, to me anyway, only slightly more appealing than boarding a United Flight filled with box cutter armed jihadis who have designs on The Pentagon

 

[GoodMan32]

Many men believe that provocative attire can show an openness to new sexual partners.

There's a common saying "Don't advertise if you're not selling".

Which is why it's foolish when broads wear revealing clothing yet complain about getting checked out.

 

[GoodMan32]

I enjoy visiting Phoenix. Living there is, to me anyway, only slightly more appealing than boarding a United Flight filled with box cutter armed jihadis who have designs on The Pentagon

I have one main complaint about this place. All in all though, there's hardly anywhere else that fits my criteria of where to live.

 

[SW15]

I enjoy visiting Phoenix. Living there is, to me anyway, only slightly more appealing than boarding a United Flight filled with box cutter armed jihadis who have designs on The Pentagon

You bring up a good point. Visiting the Phoenix area vs. living there are 2 very different experiences.

The Phoenix area can be fun to visit in the winter months. It's fun to go hiking in the middle of the day on a 72 degree sunny day in January. There are other good outdoor activities to do on a vacation during the winter such as playing golf or playing tennis.

Flying into Phoenix and then going up to see the sights in Northern Arizona like Sedona and the Grand Canyon can also be enjoyable in the non-summer months.

Living in Phoenix isn't nearly as fun as visiting Phoenix. Someone who lives in Phoenix soon learns that there aren't a lot of good corporate jobs in Phoenix. The quality of jobs isn't impressive for a city of its size. This was the biggest reason why I moved away.

Dealing with the relentless heat from May-September isn't fun either.

Why would you not want to live in the Phoenix area?

 

[BaronOfHair]

Why would you not want to live in the Phoenix area?

I enjoy the coasts of The US too much. Being landlocked is for Austrians and Afghanis

 

[SW15]

I enjoy the coasts of The US too much.

Getting to the ocean isn't that difficult when living in Phoenix.

Many Phoenix area residents go to San Diego beaches in the warmer months. The same thing happens to a lesser extent with Los Angeles and Orange County coastal areas. San Diego seems to be the main beach destination for Phoenix residents though. San Diego is about a 5-5.5 hour drive from Phoenix if traffic cooperates.

Puerto Penasco in Mexico is about 3.5 hours away on the Gulf of California. Puerto Penasco is more popular with college students than the post college crowd.

The Phoenix crowd that tends to go to San Diego in the warmer months are people in established relationships and sometimes with families. Unattached Phoenix bachelors don't tend to randomly go to San Diego, unless they have a good social circle.
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it's foolish when broads wear revealing clothing yet complain about getting checked out.

I agree.

Visiting the Phoenix area vs. living there are 2 very different experiences.

The combination of dealing with a weak job market for a city of its size and women with bad attitudes isn't a pleasant combination in Phoenix.

It's easier to date in Phoenix if you're not reliant upon the swipe apps or meeting people on the various bar scenes in the area (Old Town Scottsdale, Central Phoenix, Tempe, etc.).

Settling in Phoenix as an adult is easier under the following conditions. The more that apply to you, the better.

1. You grew up in Phoenix or in another part of Arizona. This will help with your social circle connections around Phoenix, and would reduce your reliance on the bar scene or swipe apps.
2. You went to Arizona State, University of Arizona, or another college that has a strong alumni base in Phoenix. Arizona State and University of Arizona are colleges with the best alumni base in Phoenix and good alumni groups in the city. This also helps reduce reliance on bars and swipe apps.
3. You are 6'0"+ with a fit/muscular physique. In that case, items #1 and #2 probably are irrelevant to you. If you are rich enough, #1 and #2 might not matter, but few men have enough money to make #1 and #2 irrelevant.
4. You tend to like fitness activities. This is the least important, but seems to help.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Getting to the ocean isn't that difficult when living in Phoenix.

Many Phoenix area residents go to San Diego beaches in the warmer months. The same thing happens to a lesser extent with Los Angeles and Orange County coastal areas. San Diego seems to be the main beach destination for Phoenix residents though. San Diego is about a 5-5.5 hour drive from Phoenix if traffic cooperates.

Puerto Penasco in Mexico is about 3.5 hours away on the Gulf of California. Puerto Penasco is more popular with college students than the post college crowd

Exactly. It's a looooooong f-cking drive to get to the ocean


"The combination of dealing with a weak job market for a city of its size and women with bad attitudes isn't a pleasant combination in Phoenix"

Therein lies my other objection to throwing up my tent in Phoenix. Culturally speaking, it's still a hick town in many respects

 

[SW15]

Culturally speaking, it's still a hick town in many respects

This is true.

The Phoenix area did not grow until air conditioning became readily available. It wasn't considered a major US metropolitan area until the 1970s-1980s. There's not a long history of it being a major population center as compared to New York, Philadelphia, Boston, or Chicago. Los Angeles and San Francisco on the West Coast were major metropolitan areas long before Phoenix.

In many ways, Phoenix has the worst elements of a lower population area (culturally speaking, still a hick town and a lower quality job market) and the worst elements of a bigger city (traffic, rude/superficial people).

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Getting to the ocean isn't that difficult when living in Phoenix.

Many Phoenix area residents go to San Diego beaches in the warmer months. The same thing happens to a lesser extent with Los Angeles and Orange County coastal areas. San Diego seems to be the main beach destination for Phoenix residents though. San Diego is about a 5-5.5 hour drive from Phoenix if traffic cooperates.

Puerto Penasco in Mexico is about 3.5 hours away on the Gulf of California. Puerto Penasco is more popular with college students than the post college crowd.

The Phoenix crowd that tends to go to San Diego in the warmer months are people in established relationships and sometimes with families. Unattached Phoenix bachelors don't tend to randomly go to San Diego, unless they have a good social circle.
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I agree.



The combination of dealing with a weak job market for a city of its size and women with bad attitudes isn't a pleasant combination in Phoenix.

It's easier to date in Phoenix if you're not reliant upon the swipe apps or meeting people on the various bar scenes in the area (Old Town Scottsdale, Central Phoenix, Tempe, etc.).

Settling in Phoenix as an adult is easier under the following conditions. The more that apply to you, the better.

1. You grew up in Phoenix or in another part of Arizona. This will help with your social circle connections around Phoenix, and would reduce your reliance on the bar scene or swipe apps.
2. You went to Arizona State, University of Arizona, or another college that has a strong alumni base in Phoenix. Arizona State and University of Arizona are colleges with the best alumni base in Phoenix and good alumni groups in the city. This also helps reduce reliance on bars and swipe apps.
3. You are 6'0"+ with a fit/muscular physique. In that case, items #1 and #2 probably are irrelevant to you. If you are rich enough, #1 and #2 might not matter, but few men have enough money to make #1 and #2 irrelevant.
4. You tend to like fitness activities. This is the least important, but seems to help.

5. You have an interesting vibe/personality that stands out in the sea of NPC's

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Conditions in Phoenix may start improving soon. I have absolutely no idea why though.

 

[SW15]

5. You have an interesting vibe/personality that stands out in the sea of NPC's

That can always help, but few people can achieve that. I also don't think personality matters as much anywhere as looks or money.

A guy with an interesting vibe/personality without any real connections will still have to approach a lot/swipe a lot. That's not going to be fun.

For me, I think my own perspective of the mating scene was skewed by me primarily being a bar approacher at various Old Town Scottsdale venues.

 

[GoodMan32]

That can always help, but few people can achieve that. I also don't think personality matters as much anywhere as looks or money.

A guy with an interesting vibe/personality without any real connections will still have to approach a lot/swipe a lot. That's not going to be fun.

For me, I think my own perspective of the mating scene was skewed by me primarily being a bar approacher at various Old Town Scottsdale venues.

A bar approacher who (per his own admission) isn't suited for bar approaches.

Might explain why you're jaded about the local scene.

 

[SW15]

A bar approacher who (per his own admission) isn't suited for bar approaches.

Might explain why you're jaded about the local scene.

From ages 18-29 (a period that overlaps my time as a Phoenix area resident), I was a primarily nightlife approacher when I was single. When I say nightlife approacher, that's the combination of random off campus apartment complex parties while in college and going to bars once I turned 21.

I had some knowledge of daygame during that time. I remember being around 22-23 and knowing that there were guys who were meeting women by going to yoga classes. Obviously, while in college, some people would find dates from going to their academic classes and hitting on women at the end of classes or randomly while walking on campus. While I did some approaches like that while in college, it wasn't my primary form of game while in college.

I think it's important to think about my life at age 22 for a moment. I'm a new college graduate and I'm brand new to the Phoenix area. I don't arrive in a new city with an established girlfriend, which I think is a good move. I have complete freedom.

I start going to the Old Town Scottsdale bars and the Mill Avenue bars in Tempe in order to start meeting women.

Being a primarily bar approacher in a new city as an introverted guy is not easy. Being a bar approacher in one of the most populated metropolitan areas with superficial women with bad attitudes is even more difficult.

In general, introverts are better suited to non-bar approaching and tech-based game. Some introverts can have decent social circle's with the right life circumstances and be beneficiaries of their social circles.

Even with being a bar approacher as an introvert in Metro Phoenix, I achieved a level of success. I was able to get laid and get into extended relationships doing this. It had a personal cost and you're observing this based on my level of being jaded. It has made me slightly biased in how I discuss game in Phoenix. Even for a man who is more extroverted than I am, the bar scene in Metro Phoenix will cause someone to become jaded if they have enough interactions from it. Old Town Scottsdale is the most challenging nightlife sub-scene in all of Metro Phoenix.

If I were new to Phoenix today and had to meet women, I would base all of my efforts around non-bar approaching.

I would be approaching at various grocery stores depending on my age range. If I was looking for the youngest women (18-24) at grocery stores, I would grocery shop at Sexy Safeway. Sexy Safeway is the Safeway nearest to the Arizona State University campus in Tempe. While that's a great grocery store for meeting women, it's not the only grocery store option for meeting women. There are some good grocery store locations in Phoenix and Scottsdale, but those will be more of the post-college crowd. That might be more like 24-32 year old women. Old Town Scottsdale has a few good grocery store options. I could name some grocery locations that would be good choices.

Scottsdale Fashion Square is probably the best overall mall option for finding 20s-30s bougie White women. There are some other mall options too. A guy who is really into Hispanic women might try Desert Sky Mall or even Arizona Mills. Arizona Mills has a good diversity in selection of women. Guys who live near that mall and who want daygame options would be well served doing approaches there.

There are so many outdoor parks and hiking trail options for approaching as well during the months when it's less hot.

There are options with gym and fitness class studio game too.

 

[SW15]

MercBar has been around since the 1990s that gives off a classy vibe. The bar is upscale and tends to attract an older, more affluent clientele. It is in the Biltmore area of Phoenix, so it's a different vibe than the Old Town Scottsdale vibe.

I never went to MercBar because it's an older crowd, but I'm now likely the age where I could go to MercBar and not be out of place. It's a 35+ kind of place. I was in my 20s during the time I was in Phoenix so I was a bit young to do approaches at MercBar.

I went to the Merc with a buddy years ago right before I got into game. If it's the same it's a cool venue, but I'd rather bring a date there than pick up unless my approach game was really tight. Lots of 30 something upscale chicks.

We made these MercBar posts in Summer 2023. MercBar ended up closing in June 2024 after 28 years in business.

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/restaurants/mercbar-phoenix-****tail-lounge-to-close-19297120

In Phoenix nightlife, very few places have had as long as a run as MercBar did. One place that got somewhat close was Axis Radius, which was open in Old Town Scottsdale from 1997-2013. In 2024, Phoenix New Times posted an article about an oral history of Axis Radius.

Axis-Radius: An oral history of the influential Scottsdale nightclub

A look back at the landmark double-sided nightclub that helped lay the groundwork for Scottsdale's entertainment district.

www.phoenixnewtimes.com

The peak of Axis Radius was likely 1999-2005.

Summer 2023 was miserable in Metro Phoenix.

Summer 2024 wasn't any better.

Phoenix reaches 110 degrees or hotter for 70 days this year

The biggest change has happened over the last four years. Since 2021, Phoenix has averaged 42 days a year at 110 or hotter.

www.azfamily.com

 

[SW15]

This is one of the biggest party weekends of the year in the Metro Phoenix.

This is the weekend of the Waste Management Phoenix Open. In this thread, the Phoenix Open has been mentioned in February 2023 (Posts #76-78) and February 2024 (Posts #147-151). @BeExcellent wrote a good summary of it in the post below in 2023.

Observations on Phoenix's Scene

Which parts? Would you say OP's assessment of Tempe/Phoenix being the spots is accurate? Or does Tuscon deserve some regocnition? Tempe has attractive women because of the proximity to Arizona State University (ASU). Tempe has a lot of undergrad and grad level ASU students. The southern half...

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Are any of the Phoenix area posters going to go to it this year or go out to bars/restaurants likely to be affected by it?

The Phoenix Open is one of the biggest parties in golf, especially at the 16th hole spectator area. While golf is usually a subdued event, Metro Phoenix manages to lower the class on it a bit and sometimes turn it into a crass party.

Last year was an unpleasant year at the Phoenix Open. There was bad weather and also some play cancellations. There were more drunk and unruly golf fans at the 16th hole spectator area last year. There were substantially more ejections, trespassing incidents, and arrests at last year's Phoenix Open than in 2022 and 2023. The Athletic (owned by the New York Times) published an article yesterday about the Phoenix Open changes and a local TV station did a feature story on this (links below).

The WM Phoenix Open is golf’s most raucous party. Now it needs everyone to be cool

Tournament organizers have adjusted their policies and the grounds to handle huge crowds. "There's no way it's going to be worse."

www.nytimes.com

If You Throw, You Go: WM Phoenix Open officials cracking down at 16th hole.

There are stricter rules for fans at the infamous 16th hole at the WM Phoenix Open, known for its rowdy crowds, skyboxes and party-like atmosphere.

www.azfamily.com

The 16th hole itself seems to be more of a sausage fest and attention whorring than a good place to get laid. People get intoxicated and do silly things. I don't believe that a serious pickup artist would be interested in going to the 16th hole to try and get laid. This seems like it would be more of a thing for beta males and NPC's.

A good portion of the metro area is affected by the Phoenix Open golf tournament. Nightlife venues in Old Town Scottsdale (15 miles south of the North Scottsdale golf course) get more crowded. The North Scottsdale bars (generally aimed at middle aged people) also become more crowded. I don't think the tournament affects the nightlife scene in Tempe on Mill Avenue as much. The Mill Avenue Tempe scene is more focused around Arizona State University. Arizona State University's Tempe campus has been known as a major party campus for decades. It doesn't take much for Arizona State students at the main Tempe campus to find a reason to party.

The article in The Athletic mentioned that the Phoenix Open is raising ticket prices significantly this year to discourage more riff raff from attending and starting incidents.

During the years that I lived in the Phoenix area, I did not go to the Phoenix Open (located in suburban North Scottsdale) because I knew that the golf course itself was more of attention whorring and established couples than more of a way to get laid easily. Many bachelor parties attend the event and go to the surround nightlife. It's a big overhyped event, much like New Year's Eve parties are in most major USA and global cities. Some years I even reduced my nightlife gaming that weekend.

There have been 4 years where the Phoenix Open and Super Bowl were happening in Metro Phoenix concurrently (1996, 2008, 2015, and 2023). Those have been the craziest years in Phoenix. Metro Phoenix is likely to host another Super Bowl due to its pleasant winter season weather and reasonably modern football stadium (the current stadium opened in 2006).

When Phoenix hosts big events, it always happens in winter. As mentioned above, the Super Bowl has been played in Phoenix 4 times. 3 of the times have happened since the new football stadium opened in 2006.

The Phoenix Open is an annual event.

The Barrett-Jackson collector car auction event draws in a lot of people and craziness and happens every January. That's another big party occasion in Metro Phoenix and one that hasn't been mentioned on this thread before.