News article on how people are noticing that looks don't mean sh*t to women.

[Colossus]

HAhaha!!

I just came across that worthless tripe as i was checking my email. In fact i almost made a thread about it but i decided it wasnt worth the effort.


I agree with LATINOMAN. I cant believe we are still having this redundant debate here.

We could debate the biology of attraction ad infinitum, but the bottom line is that LOOKS DO MATTER. Accept it for God's sake. At the very LEAST, they get your foot in the door. Sometimes it gets you laid. But, unlike a beautiful woman, even the best-looking man cant skate by in life solely based on his looks. This will p!ss people off, but a lot of women dont have much to offer outside of their looks and/or sexuality. Many women do, especially the ones who arent glaringly attractive, but many of them dont.

It really is that simple. Stop being teenagers and obsessing about looks. And get over the 'HB #' crap. Its a waste of life.

 

[ketostix]

End these freakin looks threads.

Looks have an impact, yes. They make it easier, but you can still get women without looking gorgeous.

Does anyone here ever notice that a girl can become "hotter" after you started interacting with her? It's because there is MORE THAN LOOKS AT PLAY HERE!!!! It works both ways.

For those who think looks are all that matter, get the f*** out of here then - because this site isn't for you. Go wallow in your self-pity and let others focus on making themselves better.

End these damned threads.

Well that's a simplistic response. No one said looks are all that mattered. As a man you have to do more than just look good. Besides when I say looks, it's not just your fundamental physical looks, I'm saying appearance and presentation. Your value and confidence is conveyed to women mostly visually, for example SP, body language and nonverbals saying more than words. It's like being an actor or entertainer. Not enough focus or importance is placed on that aspect on here. It's mostly what words to use and not to use. But that is just icing on the cake.

Besides all that. The guys saying looks matter aren't necessarily saying they believe they're ugly or they are unsuccessful with women because of their looks. Why do you assume they are? Why not assume the people who say looks don't matter believe themselves to be unattrative?

 

[MrLuvr]

Some of you guys that say looks and appearance doesn't matter to woman must not have very many guy friends and aren't very perceptive or experienced. If you had several guy friends, you'd realize the difference between that the ones that have it the easiest and attract the most women and the ones they don't isn't really how much "game" they have but the difference in good looks and a youthful appearance.

I think looks matter in "certain situations". Like cold pickups or sarging in bars.

But, for most guys who meet a girl at school, work, some activity etc.. the familiarity and if you are a confident, interesting, successful guy, can negate any disadvantage you might have on the looks front.

 

[cordoncordon]

Those pics of her were taken at Venice beach, about 3 miles from where I live .

 

[ketostix]

Ketostix,

If you look at many of the responses on these looks threads, a lot of them say if you don't have the looks you won't get in the door. My response is to those people. If they really think looks are the key then what's the point in being here?

OK but getting into the door is key. If you can't get in the door, then you're no better off than a bum knocking on closed doors. But the point in being here is what to do after you've got in the door.

A lot of people will say looks matter some but a guy can do well with his personality. It's really more a matter of a guy HAS to have personality, and his looks only get him in the door. My point is regardless of a man's looks, women are irrational spoiled creatures and he'll still need skill and experience to deal with them.

 

[Rudra]

Just for the record: a guy with very good looks doesn´t have to have ANY game. His looks will do everything for him. This goes unless he sabotages himself by showing insecurity or low self esteem. That´s lethal even for beautiful guys. But if he doesn´t - he basically just has to BE there and he´ll get his bones jumped. Seen enough examples of that.

But this goes only for a small percentage of guys. Beauty doesn´t need action and doesn´t need arguments, that´s the weapon of women, they can just BE. Some guys are handed this weapon as well by nature.

Second point for the record (said this before): Women have a very different perception of male good looks than we have. A guy that to us comes off as a hirsute butt ugly neanderthal mofo to them may be the symbol of penultimate maleness that gets them creaming their panties from a mile away. A guy we would judge as downright average to them might have smashingly good looks. So the whole "seeing butt ugly guys with gorgeous women" thing is flawed unless you get some opinion from a chick about it.

 

[Maxtro]

As it was mentioned before, looks definitely matter. But it's still possible to get girls if you don't have looks. It's just much harder.

 

[frivolousz21]

having a good smile can go a LONG way with women

 

[joekerr31]

Ketostix,

If you look at many of the responses on these looks threads, a lot of them say if you don't have the looks you won't get in the door. My response is to those people. If they really think looks are the key then what's the point in being here?

haha, well because most guys can't score with women who are even less attractive than them!!

 

[joekerr31]

I am surprised none of you commented on the writer of the article.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/juliaallison/

She's an HB10 easily, a fancy faux-airhead (read her blog), and is an accomplished social climber (dated congressman Harold Ford when she was 18, and was shrewd enough to launch her career from there). A good modern woman, and a complete turn off for me. I would like to hear if it is possible men could like women like her for more than arm candy duties. (I don't even feel like fvcking her, absolutely no gravitas).

hb8 at best in my opinion.

 

[insidious]

LOL I seriously need to hunt down an icon which
shows a man beating a horse down with a baseball
bat whenever discussions about looks come up.

Anyways, I've never been called "hot" or "fine" or
even "sexy" but I have been called "cute" and "unpredictable"
and "entertaining" and gotten some favorable comments
on my body. I have never been called ugly, I guess that
is a good thing :crackup:

If your self-image, and self-esteem are shaped so
thoroughly by how attractive you think you are, you might
as well grow vaginas and put make-up on.

We are men damnit. We are here to shape our reality, not
to be molded by the aesthetic opionions of others.

 

[Last Man Standing]

"Looks" is only one factor in a woman's choice, for men, it is the prime factor!! Why is this the case, you ask? Because men must be aroused to propagate!! Case Closed!

 

[STR8UP]

The one psychotic chick I dated awhile back......her brother was probably what most women would consider close to a "10". We would go out and I would sometimes walk behind him and watch the reactions of women as he walked by. He got a lot of looks, and he was definitely approached by more women than anyone else in the group.

Funny thing is, this guy was DYING to get married. 22 years old and that's all he could think about.

One night we were out and a girl that works at a local high class strip club approached him. I chatted with her coworkers, they all seemed nice enough.....but there was something strange about the chick that approached him.....

A week or two later after he started dating her we went out and met her at a bar. We were all sitting at a table and this chick gets up and says to me "I have to go to the restroom. Keep an eye on him".

She was absolutely serious. My jaw hit the floor.

This wasn't the first thing we noticed, so we pulled our buddy aside and told him he needed to ditch the b!tch. He wouldn't listen. She was hot but not THAT hot.

Eventually he did stop seeing her and he met another chick a few months later. Last I head they were married and had a kid.

What a waste.

 

[ketostix]

"Looks" is only one factor in a woman's choice, for men, it is the prime factor!! Why is this the case, you ask? Because men must be aroused to propagate!! Case Closed!

Well there's many reasons why a woman would be interested in a man, most of them dealing with his money, power and status. Women might even fool themselves into believing she's attracted to the guy. But it's not real attraction and she most likely won't be faithful. People are confusing interest with attraction. The prime factor for attraction in a woman's choice is appearance.

Women can be interested in a man she's actually not that attracted to for reasons of value, power and status, but also for his attributes dealing with his attitude and mood that relate to a LTR. So guys confuse interest and her LTR screeners with attraction. You're kind of right LMS.

 

[Last Man Standing]

You're kind of right LMS.

At the basest level I am right - but there are variant degrees to the looks matter debate because there are various human elements involved!

I can woo a woman on my mere humor alone or from my intelligent profound insights, albeit they may be more receptive to me because of my PuertoRican_Lover looks!!!

 

[Stavrogin]

I agree with the poster quoted below. Most people who say looks don't matter to women are kidding themselves. Of course looks matter. Look around you. Homely guys get homely girls. Virtually every homely guy with a hot girlfriend is filthy rich or a politician. "Confidence" doesn't mean squat to hot women if you're making minimum wage.

Instead of digging up stories and news articles that are basically propaganda, get a young, pretty boy guy friend and go out with him. Watch him just stand there and observe what women do. He'll just stand there in a bar and attractive women will come out of the woodwork and approach him, compliment him, and chat him up and basically hit on him. That will dispell any fallacy you might have that looks don't matter to woman.

Some of you guys that say looks and appearance doesn't matter to woman must not have very many guy friends and aren't very perceptive or experienced. If you had several guy friends, you'd realize the difference between that the ones that have it the easiest and attract the most women and the ones they don't isn't really how much "game" they have but the difference in good looks and a youthful appearance.

I realize knowing this is of limited usefulness but it's even more useless to believe something that's totally not true. If you're a guy who says "looks don't matter" and you're not at least ocassionally getting girls telling you that you are good looking, then you're probably a KJ and don't get much pvzzy from attractive girls. However, with some effort, you might be getting ocassional pvzzy with mostly average and below average girls.

 

[STR8UP]

Women might even fool themselves into believing she's attracted to the guy.

I think the "Looks matter tremendously" guys underestimate the impact other factors can have on actual attraction.

In other words, I don't believe women are fooling themselves into thinking they are attracted, they actually can be attracted to a less attractive man who is able to compensate in other areas.

I'm not talking about an obvious gold digger (which I believe exist in SMALL numbers) I'm talking about a hot chick with an average guy, you know, a couple of steps from what you would picture her with.

The reason for this is the fact that safety, security, and being provided for are such a big deal for women.

A good looking guy can lose a woman just the same as a less attractive one. All he has to do is act like a wussy boy. A man will be much more likely to put up with a woman's sh!t if she's hot and she fukks like a pornstar.

Look at it like this. Women are genetically programmed to seek out qualities that generally do not manifest themselves in the same man. Thus, you have the nice guy husband and the bad boy loser lover. I for one believe that a woman IS attracted to the provider husband. She has to be. She isn't holding her nose when she's drinking foul tasting medicine; her brain is programmed to believe it tastes good, if only for a period of time.

Men on the other hand......they marry their wife because she's hot. They fukk someone else on the side because it is in their genes to spread their seed. The don't seek two different types of women (for all intents and purposes) as women do. Therefore women have the ability (actually the NEED) to feel "attraction" for the guy who provides for her AND the guy who inseminates her on the side.

 

[edger]

-
--

Then WHY do we get these news reports of these guys DOING so.... Hugh Grant, Eddie Murphy, and all those cited above?????? Do you doubt that there are MANY more that haven't been caught????


They do what they want because they WANT to. And that's OK!!!!

Was what I have said not CLEAR? They pay because the cost is trivial to them, and they get what they WANT. RIGHT THEN. I don't judge them, they can do what they WANT.


Open your eyes.

-
--

If indeed it is the case that wealthy men(both celebrity and non-celebrity)actually WANT to pay for sex, then that is just strange in my opinion. If I had to pay for sex, I'd personally feel humiliated. I'd feel like a loser who can't get chix(not that guys who pay are losers). I'd feel incompetant, that I can't get women the natural way by merits of good game.

 

[aliasguy]

-
-
-

Well, edger, you can feel however you wish, and that's cool. If you'd feel humiliated, then that's how it is. No argument here.

But these famous/rich guys simply may not CARE about your standards of "getting" women by the "natural way by merits of good game."

Perhaps they prefer to just bypass all that B.S., and just lay out a little change for a quickie with some strange. And then, afterward, NOT feel weird or humiliated or incompetent about it.

Not completely incomprehensible, is it?

-
-
-

 

[edger]

I think looks matter in "certain situations". Like cold pickups or sarging in bars.

I agree looks matter for cold pick-ups or sarging in bars, but not all the time. If an unattractive guy cold approaches, he has to do it with confidence, or do it with confidence and say something ****y/funny for the woman to find him attractive.