News article on how people are noticing that looks don't mean sh*t to women.

[azanon]

Most women define themselves by being a mother, it's their purpose in life. Hell, it's even expected to them by society. Given the "lemming factor" of most people, it's unfortunately the norm. I'm open to seeing proof showing otherwise but looking around at what's happening in most marriages and what happens if the relationship comes to an end, I'm guessing you would have a hard time finding inaccuracies other than the few exceptions.

Most men are AFC, so what do you expect?

There are a ton of things that don't happen overnight. One doesn't get fat overnight, and a man doesn't lose his respect from his wife (to his kid or anything else) overnight.

Could my wife have potentially placed me further down the totem pole? Absolutely. In fact, I can recall many specific times where there was a call to action on my part to set the record straight. We are leaders by nature and they follow by nature; and the only way you get good followers is with good leaders.

This all gets back into s*** tests. When you get one, you have to nip that s*** in the bud. When I get one now, I almost get an arrogant, pleasurable high out of crushing it under the heel of my shoe. I think there's a part of me that wants her to test me just so that I can show off.

There are tons of potential, wonderful "followers" out there. What we have a shortage of (and always have had) are leaders and real men.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Well I would say that most women unlike men are incapable of forming bonds of integrity to a man as they are to their child. I've said this before and Str8up agreed that women unlike men are almost incapable of forming familial level bonds of integrity with their partners.

Ooooo, that's interesting. Why do you think that is?

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...This all gets back into s*** tests. When you get one, you have to nip that s*** in the bud. When I get one now, I almost get an arrogant, pleasurable high out of crushing it under the heel of my shoe. I think there's a part of me that wants her to test me just so that I can show off...

True, but they are use to giving those tests and guys are agreeing to takie them. Like you said, gotta nip it or at least challenge it. Guess which one I do...
More proof that life is easier for followers...

 

[azanon]

True, but they are use to giving those tests and guys taking them. Like you said, gotta nip it or at least challenge it. Guess which one I do...
More proof that life is easier for followers...

I'm not sure what you mean, so I'll assume. Guys usually fail the test, because AFC's usually fail. All-in-all, i'm just putting the blame where I think it has to logically belong; which is us men. There are a ton of awesome women out there that will be completely vulnerable, and would make wonderful wives to a well armed and successful DJ.

We just fired our coach (I'm an AR Razorback fan). When your team (family) doesn't perform, you don't fire the players, you fire the coach. The coach has more control than anyone else, and when s*** goes wrong, that's who you blame. The military works the same way. Jobs now work this way too; a failing employee, especially several failing employees, is indicative of a failing employer or boss.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I'm not sure what you mean, so I'll assume. Guys usually fail the test, because AFC's usually fail. All-in-all, i'm just putting the blame where I think it has to logically belong; which is us men. There are a ton of awesome women out there that will be completely vulnerable, and would make wonderful wives to a well armed and successful DJ.

Sorry about that, someone was trying to get my attention as I was replying, you got the gist of what I was saying though. I've always said that people are where they are in life because of the choices that they've made and in your example way too many men go about following "the rules" without question. No wonder why they end up where they do. The crazy thing is when they choose to take the exact same path every time expecting a different outcome.

And yes, I agree that there's a good amount of better than average women out there. The thing is that the most of them want to marry primarily to have a family or bolster the one that they already have (sans a provider).

 

[Luthor Rex]

Well I would say that most women unlike men are incapable of forming bonds of integrity to a man as they are to their child. I've said this before and Str8up agreed that women unlike men are almost incapable of forming familial level bonds of integrity with their partners.

Ooooo, that's interesting. Why do you think that is?

As I have also noticed the pattern ketostix speaks of I'd like to see Francisco's "Ooooo" and raise him an "Ahhhh".

Actually my experience of being my mother's child is that she loves me more like a man would love a family heirloom. Something you polish and take good care of, but in the end just an object. So I'm not even sure about the whole 'bond to the child' thing. I don't even want to know what it feels like being my father in that relationship... and they are one of the only couples I've known to stay together and not be openly miserable!

*sigh*

 

[edger]

Even though it's possible that more women are choosing not to have kids it seems to be a really small percentage. So many women still define themselves by being a good mother (as opposed to being a good wife but that's another thread altogether). I can't count how many women I've nexted over the last few years because their main goal (when pressed) was to be a mother as opposed to having a good relationship which could bear children, there's a huge difference.

Perhaps it's more noticable in certain geographic locations. Perhaps in these locations women have other goals which they want to achieve. I think I should move...

Most women feel pressured by our idiodic society to have kids. You know how most women are FOLLOWERS, not LEADERS. They always wanna fit in and be part of the herd...most of 'em at least.

But things are changing, women today aren't pressured as much as they used to be by their peers to have kids.

 

[edger]

Francisco, do you know how many women I've spoken to who have said they REGRET having kids? They say if they were to do it over again, they WOULDN'T. Sure, they now realize:

1. They were stupid to cave in to societal pressure to have kids.

2. That having kids isn't all peaches and cream..most of it is STRESS and HEADACHES.

And ya know what, a lot of them also won't admit regretting it too.

 

[ketostix]

Francisco, do you know how many women I've spoken to who have said they REGRET having kids? They say if they were to do it over again, they WOULDN'T. Sure, they now realize:

1. They were stupid to cave in to societal pressure to have kids.

2. That having kids isn't all peaches and cream..most of it is STRESS and HEADACHES.

And ya know what, a lot of them also won't admit regretting it too.

Grass is always greener on the other side. If these same women didn't have kids they would likely be complaining about that and emotionally even biologically be suffering the effects of a barren existence.

 

[mrRuckus]

Until women grow penises, the answer is YES.

And how many women don't want kids? .05%?

It has to be higher than that. Either that or its separated out by different classes of women. I actually seem to have more female friends that don't want kids than do, but they tend to lean towards the professional and "smart" side of things compared to the trashy go-nowhere-ever-uneducated women who already have kids under the age of 25.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Francisco, do you know how many women I've spoken to who have said they REGRET having kids? They say if they were to do it over again, they WOULDN'T. Sure, they now realize:

1. They were stupid to cave in to societal pressure to have kids.

2. That having kids isn't all peaches and cream..most of it is STRESS and HEADACHES.

And ya know what, a lot of them also won't admit regretting it too.

Oh there are studies which measured the happiness of couples who have had children and the majority's relationship happiness started going down once the kids reached their teens and continued eroding the marriage. I know a ton of women who've confirmed this.

But I'm not talking about women who have children who regret making the choice to have them. I'm talking about women who have decided not to have children in the first place, not as an afterthought. Those are few and far between especially as they approach their thirties.

Many that I meet are attempting to find a "good enough guy" to "settle down with" (damn I hate that term 'settle') because their biological clock is ticking. Add to that the fact that I'm single, self sufficient and do not have the burden of having to pay child support or have a bitter ex in my life and these women seem to have me in their GPS.

Society exists because of a Borg-like hoard mentality. Think and act independently and you have to constantly walk against the wind when it comes to ideals of the masses. I can only imagine that it's even more difficult to be a woman and an independent thinker. I know that they're out there but they are definitely under the radar.