Mystery's show on VH1 [Merged Threads]

Do you think Mystery's VH1 show is:

  • Awesome idea!

    Votes: 27 32.1%
  • Great idea.

    Votes: 10 11.9%
  • Ok idea...

    Votes: 20 23.8%
  • Bad idea.

    Votes: 27 32.1%

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Derek Flint

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I don't think it is - PlayerSupreme despises MM as I remember.

I believe he said something like "he doesn't go for that dressing like a faggot and pulling a rabbit out of yo ass BS"
 

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What kind of relationship will you build and/or have with a woman when your first interaction with her is based on lies and bull$#!T?
True.
The show was entertaining, so I won't complain. I already knew MM was not for me. Way too much BS you don't even want to remember. Routine after routine after routine. How can you have a good time when you're constantly following something that is scripted. I would fall asleep because of how boring that would be. That's just Bull**** Method.

It's not that hard, be sexual, spontaneous, high status and don't give a **** and you're in.
 

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Scary because I agree with a 40 year old, because only we make any sense on lots of issues here, or some other reason I can't figure out because its late and my mind is totally occupied by the dirty thoughts my girl has been putting in my head all day?
Sounds like its time to shift focus from the big head to the little one. ;)
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
Sounds like its time to shift focus from the big head to the little one. ;)
How right you are. That will happen this weekend, with any luck. She's such a naughty vixen.

:D
 

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Those who say it's all about routines don't understand the mystery method and the model he uses. The model of open to close, if executed to perfection, will guarantee that you indeed go from open to close; it merely explains the natural phenomenon in a scientific way.

He is a top pick up artist and knows all the little details and how to implement them in the vast majority of interactions. He isn't perfect, but he isn't far off, if he's gone from an introverted 21 year old virgin to a god with women, he obviously knows what he's doing.

Open a girl. Show her you're a cool guy. Start chatting to her about stuff. Tell her what you like about her personality. Suggest a date and get her number. Meet outside a place, go have a meal, then head back to yours for a "DVD".

The above is perfectly normal, but indeed it is following the mystery method.
 

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Derek Flint said:
Yeah, picking up a stripper who was like a 7 at best and using a Limo as a gimmick to get her is not exactly a success.

Strippers are low-life scum who will f*** anyone who they think they can get something out of.

If I or anyone here went to a strip club and told 10 strippers I had a Limo outside and asked them to go "party" in the Limo, I bet half of them would go outside with any of one of you because they think there will be drugs and/or money in it for them.

You think if Brady rode the bus to the strip club that night that stripper would have left with him?

We all know the answer to that question.

The reason I "bash" the Mystery Method is because it will actually prevent people from progressing in the long run, and it is based on false opinion openers, false DHV, false time constraints, false this, false that.

What kind of relationship will you build and/or have with a woman when your first interaction with her is based on lies and bull$#!T?

The original purpose of this forum was to become a "DJ"

Do any of you remember what that actually meant?

If not, do some research and find out what the original mission statement was of this forum and what it means to be a "DJ"

I can tell you that it does NOT mean using gimmicks and tricks and lies to pickup women.

The best "guru" is yourself, not some guy who wants 3K for a bootcamp to teach you to lie to women and use gimmicks that 100,000 other guys are using.

Every hot chick has had some aspiring PUA demonstrate "The Cube" on her at least half a dozen times.

Or have been asked for a "female opinion" and that "they only have a minute"

My point is that there are higher levels beyond MM, but some people will settle for what they get out of MM, which is much more than they've ever had, but the MM is just an illusion.

Why do you think Mystery himself has a long history of failed relationships and pickups up and f***s women for self-validation?

Did you read Style's book and how Mystery was suicidal over a breakup?

Sounds pretty AFC to me.

Mystery is a good guy. I've met him and talked with him and I like the guy, I really do, but his method is very shallow and will attract shallow, insecure women and will leave most guys unfulfilled, unless they just want shallow, insecure women who they will also get validation from.

And those shallow, insecure women will also drop you the minute something they think is better comes along, much like what happens to Mystery time after time, because his method teaches you how to attract women using gimmicks, but the flaw with the MM is that once the women see past the gimmicks, they realize that it's all style and very little substance and they move on.

And the fact that using MM, none of the guys on his show did more than makeout with I think 2 girls, one a 6.5 and one a 7, and that's being generous shows that MM isn't all that it's cracked up to be.

Even after all this hands on training by Mystery and his crew, none of these guys pulled any HB's or any girls at all. And no, it's not because I want to see nudity or porno, it's I wanted to see the results of the great Mystery Method. Well, we saw the results and they weren't impressive to say the least. Not at all, unless you call a couple of makeouts with a couple of girls most of us wouldn't even give the time of day a success.

I'm not hating on Mystery, but I do know that there are much more fulfilling ways to achieve the desired end result then using the MM, and that the MM was a spectacular failure on National TV despite the fact that the students got hands on training from Mystery, Matador and J-Dog.

Training which would cost thousands of dollars and for what? A couple of makeouts with a couple of average looking girls?

The end results says it all. Anyone who could defend the MM after that embarrassment is either a starstruck fanboy or a shill for the MM
Im neither a starstruck fanboy or a shill but I give props where they're due. About mystery being suicidal over a breakup, yes I read it and what happens to him in his personal life is on him, has nothing to do with his mytery method, all he talks about is picking them up, not learning to keep them.


If the guy makes 3-10k doing workshops, then why hate on the guy, if this guy makes that much teaching people how to pickup women, then so be it. We all have hobbies, some people play basketball, halo 3, read, he picks up women and does a good job teaching it.

I'm more of a style/juggler guy myself, style does mm but has a better style of delivering it (fits me more) than mystery so I'm not a fanboy of mystery or whatever you call. SO I'm just like you in a sense because I dont' do strictly mm, I do other stuff but like you, since I don't do it, I'm not gonna bash his method and praise how my method is the holier than thou be all end all, I do some style/juggler but mostly use a style I'm working on (somewhere in between indirect and direct, more 'observational'), on my own and mix a little bit of everything else, (I'm also field testing some 'direct game' also).

Just saying, your posts just come off, in myopinion as bashing someone who was successful doing something i.e hating.

I'm gonna post a quote off someone from another pua messageboard that made a good point about mm..........

But on the real... MM is not dead, you just can't be that tool whose gone around using the same 2 openers on 400 sets. Check the socal lair forums for a list of routines from the show just in case you are a routine chode.

EVERY single guy I've met whose been half way decent is quick witted. Funny, converses well, etc...

The people who aren't are those who spout theory with hardly any understanding, lack anything interesting to say, and generally just "don't get it."


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If you understand it and have some personality of your own, you can pull it off well, you can't be a robot.
 

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Mad Manic said:
Those who say it's all about routines don't understand the mystery method and the model he uses. The model of open to close, if executed to perfection, will guarantee that you indeed go from open to close; it merely explains the natural phenomenon in a scientific way.

He is a top pick up artist and knows all the little details and how to implement them in the vast majority of interactions. He isn't perfect, but he isn't far off, if he's gone from an introverted 21 year old virgin to a god with women, he obviously knows what he's doing.

Open a girl. Show her you're a cool guy. Start chatting to her about stuff. Tell her what you like about her personality. Suggest a date and get her number. Meet outside a place, go have a meal, then head back to yours for a "DVD".

The above is perfectly normal, but indeed it is following the mystery method.

How the hell do you know Mystery is a top PUA???????????????? Have you ever seen him hook up with a hot chick that wasn't scripted? Show me some proof before you go endorsing this guy as the biggest pimp ever.

Personally he looks like a tranvestite and I don't think he could score hotties for ****. Show me proof!@
 

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Anyone that backs this guy and his method are truly sheltered idiots... and have no idea of what the real world is like. Check out my approach journal for real inspiration.
 

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Why is everyone being such a hater? The guy gets girls, plain and simple. Better yet, he teaches others to get girls. Check out his website. Look at the forums for the feedback from his seminars. He's changing people's lives. So what if he dresses like an underwater vampire. That's his thing. I'm sure you have little things you do that if you were to go host a show on national TV you'd get made fun of for it. If you don't like him, that's your business...but you're missing the boat.
 

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TheSplat said:
Why is everyone being such a hater? The guy gets girls, plain and simple. Better yet, he teaches others to get girls. Check out his website. Look at the forums for the feedback from his seminars. He's changing people's lives. So what if he dresses like an underwater vampire. That's his thing. I'm sure you have little things you do that if you were to go host a show on national TV you'd get made fun of for it. If you don't like him, that's your business...but you're missing the boat.
big deal any of that can be made up. Send me real proof of him scoring a hot girl in an unscripted environment and then I'll consider him not to be a fraud.

I cant imagine that guy getting any real hot girl...
 

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My thoughts...

Mystery never really proved his skills - except for pulling a woman in a club, but it doesn't take a PUA to do that. Why couldn't he show us his skills in daylight or perform some of the tasks he set for the contestants?

He taught the guys loads of canned material, but couldn't teach them to be men. I mean, what a bunch of cry babies and drama queens!

One day they have crippling nervousness and panic attacks, the next day it's all gone as if by magic?! Panic attacks don't just disappear like that and nervousness takes a long time to overcome. I was not convinced these guys were the losers they claimed to be.

The best looking guy with the best physique won. The second best looking guy came second.

They referred to pool parties, limosines and portrayed themselves as rich, so they're going to attract gold diggers if nothing else.

They had nothing left after their canned routines ran out. They still seemed socially inept and didn't even know the meaning of the word "charisma".

The show was about transforming geeks into PUAs, but those who had trouble were eliminated. In other words, Mystery didn't convert the geeks afterall.

It was clearly a big marketing campaign.

Mystery seems like a likeable chap and he does have a lot of confidence about him, to give him his dues. But he appeared better at seducing vulnerable young men than women.

It was a great show as far as entertainment goes and there was some decent advice for beginners, but it wasn't very convincing overall.
 

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My thoughts...

Mystery never really proved his skills - except for pulling a woman in a club, but it doesn't take a PUA to do that. Why couldn't he show us his skills in daylight or perform some of the tasks he set for the contestants?

He taught the guys loads of canned material, but couldn't teach them to be men. I mean, what a bunch of cry babies and drama queens!

One day they have crippling nervousness and panic attacks, the next day it's all gone as if by magic?! Panic attacks don't just disappear like that and nervousness takes a long time to overcome. I was not convinced these guys were the losers they claimed to be.

The best looking guy with the best physique won. The second best looking guy came second.

They referred to pool parties, limosines and portrayed themselves as rich, so they're going to attract gold diggers if nothing else.

They had nothing left after their canned routines ran out. They still seemed socially inept and didn't even know the meaning of the word "charisma".

The show was about transforming geeks into PUAs, but those who had trouble were eliminated. In other words, Mystery didn't convert the geeks afterall.

It was clearly a big marketing campaign.

Mystery seems like a likeable chap and he does have a lot of confidence about him, to give him his dues. But he appeared better at seducing vulnerable young men than women.

It was a great show as far as entertainment goes and there was some decent advice for beginners, but it wasn't very convincing overall.
 

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Jariel said:
My thoughts...

Mystery never really proved his skills - except for pulling a woman in a club, but it doesn't take a PUA to do that. Why couldn't he show us his skills in daylight or perform some of the tasks he set for the contestants?

He taught the guys loads of canned material, but couldn't teach them to be men. I mean, what a bunch of cry babies and drama queens!

One day they have crippling nervousness and panic attacks, the next day it's all gone as if by magic?! Panic attacks don't just disappear like that and nervousness takes a long time to overcome. I was not convinced these guys were the losers they claimed to be.

The best looking guy with the best physique won. The second best looking guy came second.

They referred to pool parties, limosines and portrayed themselves as rich, so they're going to attract gold diggers if nothing else.

They had nothing left after their canned routines ran out. They still seemed socially inept and didn't even know the meaning of the word "charisma".

The show was about transforming geeks into PUAs, but those who had trouble were eliminated. In other words, Mystery didn't convert the geeks afterall.

It was clearly a big marketing campaign.

Mystery seems like a likeable chap and he does have a lot of confidence about him, to give him his dues. But he appeared better at seducing vulnerable young men than women.

It was a great show as far as entertainment goes and there was some decent advice for beginners, but it wasn't very convincing overall.
Right on man. Plus it was false.. didn't you see the thread in the anything else forum? The participants were not who they said they were. Some were even actors!
 

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Derek Flint said:
Yeah, picking up a stripper who was like a 7 at best and using a Limo as a gimmick to get her is not exactly a success.

Strippers are low-life scum who will f*** anyone who they think they can get something out of.

If I or anyone here went to a strip club and told 10 strippers I had a Limo outside and asked them to go "party" in the Limo, I bet half of them would go outside with any of one of you because they think there will be drugs and/or money in it for them.

You think if Brady rode the bus to the strip club that night that stripper would have left with him?

We all know the answer to that question.

The reason I "bash" the Mystery Method is because it will actually prevent people from progressing in the long run, and it is based on false opinion openers, false DHV, false time constraints, false this, false that.

What kind of relationship will you build and/or have with a woman when your first interaction with her is based on lies and bull$#!T?

The original purpose of this forum was to become a "DJ"

Do any of you remember what that actually meant?

If not, do some research and find out what the original mission statement was of this forum and what it means to be a "DJ"

I can tell you that it does NOT mean using gimmicks and tricks and lies to pickup women.

The best "guru" is yourself, not some guy who wants 3K for a bootcamp to teach you to lie to women and use gimmicks that 100,000 other guys are using.

Every hot chick has had some aspiring PUA demonstrate "The Cube" on her at least half a dozen times.

Or have been asked for a "female opinion" and that "they only have a minute"

My point is that there are higher levels beyond MM, but some people will settle for what they get out of MM, which is much more than they've ever had, but the MM is just an illusion.

Why do you think Mystery himself has a long history of failed relationships and pickups up and f***s women for self-validation?

Did you read Style's book and how Mystery was suicidal over a breakup?

Sounds pretty AFC to me.

Mystery is a good guy. I've met him and talked with him and I like the guy, I really do, but his method is very shallow and will attract shallow, insecure women and will leave most guys unfulfilled, unless they just want shallow, insecure women who they will also get validation from.

And those shallow, insecure women will also drop you the minute something they think is better comes along, much like what happens to Mystery time after time, because his method teaches you how to attract women using gimmicks, but the flaw with the MM is that once the women see past the gimmicks, they realize that it's all style and very little substance and they move on.

And the fact that using MM, none of the guys on his show did more than makeout with I think 2 girls, one a 6.5 and one a 7, and that's being generous shows that MM isn't all that it's cracked up to be.

Even after all this hands on training by Mystery and his crew, none of these guys pulled any HB's or any girls at all. And no, it's not because I want to see nudity or porno, it's I wanted to see the results of the great Mystery Method. Well, we saw the results and they weren't impressive to say the least. Not at all, unless you call a couple of makeouts with a couple of girls most of us wouldn't even give the time of day a success.

I'm not hating on Mystery, but I do know that there are much more fulfilling ways to achieve the desired end result then using the MM, and that the MM was a spectacular failure on National TV despite the fact that the students got hands on training from Mystery, Matador and J-Dog.

Training which would cost thousands of dollars and for what? A couple of makeouts with a couple of average looking girls?

The end results says it all. Anyone who could defend the MM after that embarrassment is either a starstruck fanboy or a shill for the MM
In a short period of time those guys have gone from being unable to approach women to being able to approach women, talk to them and pull them. If you were ever in the position of being a complete wreck with women, you'd realise that it's actually a huge improvement given the time frame. However, I agree that you don't need MM to gain these improvements. I'd advise approaching, building social skills etc. moreso.
 

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Jayer said:
How the hell do you know Mystery is a top PUA???????????????? Have you ever seen him hook up with a hot chick that wasn't scripted? Show me some proof before you go endorsing this guy as the biggest pimp ever.

Personally he looks like a tranvestite and I don't think he could score hotties for ****. Show me proof!@
Well there's a few vids of him on Youtube in field and personally I thought they were brilliant. There's one where he plows through ****-tests and another where this hot blonde is putty in his hands.

I don't believe it because of this, although it helps, but I do believe that he's great with women because I don't think he'd get away with all the money/fame he's had if he couldn't pick up most women he approaches.

Besides, if Mystery did go around demonstrating his skills in the shows, I don't think it would be in good taste, would be kinda like bragging etc. on national television rather than a show about helping men.
 

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VH-1 is a joke - programming "100 Biggest Celebrity Fart Jokes" and "Britney's Top Ten Queefs" crap. Its programming is tailored strictly toward females - like E! with occasional references to "music." Informing Men wasn't the objective: titilating females possessing a misplaced sense of social superiority, was.

It was sloppily constructed, throwaway TV. It took me too long to figure out Matador wasn't just Mystery's pool boy. Then I had to explain to a dense hb9 that the silent, anonymous blond guy with the big honker was not in fact an imprisoned ghost left over from the stereotypical Gigantic Mansion, who just happend to be an apparition caught by high tech infrared cameras.

Putting those AFCs under the gun in some crazy concept of a Reality Show was to make it non-threatening to the girlies; real heartwarming, happyending, stock TV stuff full of AFC cannon fodder.

Those poor bastids did more kino on each other than on a single set of XX chromosomes.

Can't wait until TPUA II comes out and ruins more openers :rolleyes:
 

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Is Mystery's show coming back?

For another season or was it a one time deal?
 

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Again, I don't hate Mystery. I just think his Method is crap. Might be OK for newbies, but not Intermediate/Advanced guys, or guys who want to be real.

Like I said, much of MM is based on false opinion openers, false time constraints, false this, false that.

Think about that and what it says about the person that uses such "techniques"

I'm not about attracting women thru fraudulent means. Or putting others down to raise my own value. (Negs) Nor do I need to. Or dressing like some kind of deranged faggot. (Peacocking) I can dress in whatever I feel like and attract women thru my words and actions, not by wearing some garish outfit that will draw attention, both positive and negative.


I'll say it again, get your life together and the "women" part will take care of itself.

Become "High Value" instead of creating the illusion of High Value.

Mystery = Illusionist.

MM = giving the illusion that you are HV

Most of these "methods" are just addressing the symptom, not the cause.

Until the cause is addressed and fixed, these methods such as MM are nothing more than a band - aid.

I'll close it out with this quote I read on another board:

"Many gurus build their online reputation on make believe reports and blatant lies. They are worshiped by flocks of naive virgin newbies who project their fantasies on their beloved gurus and consider them godlike creatures while they are nothing but shameless marketers and self-promoters.

Seduction has become a lucrative business so keep your common sense and don't believe the hype."


Everyone wants to believe that there is a "Magic Bullet" out there that is a fix -all and will get them all kinds of women.

Guess what? There isn't one.

Just like there is no magic pill to lose weight, or make your d*** bigger or anything else.

You want to be good with women, with life?

Get your s*** together, and become a Man of High Value.

Yeah, it's hard work and takes time and effort, but it is the closest thing to a "magic bullet" out there.

There are no shortcuts in life.
 

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Won't affect at all. Don't study material and believe it's the end of all things. Canned lines and routines are bad. It's like studying mathematics, as long as you only study the formulas you are always behind. (sure they get the job done and never get old. nevertheless) The minute you write your own formulas you are among the best. Publicity of these methods is going to affect those who can't adopt. The best will adopt and there'll be no change, they'll still get the girls.
 

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