@pimpfromdayone: Actually we agree on a lot of points. I don't want a girl who's overly superficial either. But then again I mean I have no idea how you look, but unless you're good looking enough (you can be without muscle) chances are you just won't be able to hook up with beautiful girls (which u seem to wanna do also). I bet if you weren't blessed with good enough looks you would be talking differently. I see working out as a possibility to work on yourself and make yourself more attractive. No matter how good or bad you look you can still make yourself more attractive by doing that. But then again you said u actually are all for it, so I see we dont really disagree too much.
When it comes to that slim guy who has an above average chest for example or something, I really agree on that one. I used to think a lot about do women want really muscular guys? Do some actually not like muscles at all? and so on...but really most of them are into men (as their ideal) who are lean, but still have some muscle to offer - as in above average. I've been working out pretty hard and pretty diligently (though Im not obsessed with it and still know other things are more important in life...) and I with my probably average genetics wouldn't have been able to put on that amount of muscle (we're talking like 30 pounds (on most guys that would be less because im fairly tall)) without working pretty diligently for that goal. And most guys who I know who started weight lifting but arent really ambitious in that matter, didnt benefit from it really (as in you can't really tell they've gained any muscle when u see them). So I think the statement the slim above average muscular type of look is easy to attain is wrong. --->
So, I will defend my position and refute your first argument against me by saying, just because YOU got more attention from women doesn't mean ALL men will. In fact, according to the source Screwit identified, average men were favored in most cases, maybe some guys with slightly larger chests, but that is not hard to get.
However I'm not saying anybody needs to go out and pump steel like a bodybuilder. I think that's the problem in this whole discussion and your points. You keep coming up with exaggerated examples of guys benching 400+ lbs to prove your points and keep saying females usually prefer fit/athletic/etc. men...but like I've been saying the whole time: I agree with that. I really dont understand why u keep insisting on this when everyone agrees and use these exaggerated examples like these:
she probably is going to sense a little insecurity if you spend all day in a gym, whether you are or you aren't. Maybe she will make the presumption that you are trying to be able to keep your di-ck up? I don't know....She probably will also know you are not important enough to have anything better to do. It's all about status to them. This is a generalization that all women make.
1. Dont say all women make this generalization and tell me not to make generalizations like if I benefit from weight lifting it doesnt mean ALL men will
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2. If you spend ALL DAY in the gym, its quite possible that shell make that generalization. However it is not likely she'll do that, if you go to the gym 3-4 days a week and work out for 1-2 hours.
They won't see that as insecure, but rather as willing to make an effort to change for the better (its more important to females that a man takes care of their looks than we think. Ive been surprised a lot by comments of girls saying how much they liked not only that a guy looks good now, but that he made an effort to change his looks for the better. Actually Ive had girls tell me they didnt need a model or anything, but it was very important for them that a man takes care of his looks and makes the best of his looks.....though of course standing in front of the mirror ALL DAY would make them feel ure insecure too
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Dont become a big bodybuilder if u think thats gonna get you all the women. Chances are it wont make you more attractive to the average girl (though I think bodybuilders have a good offer/demand-ratio considering women who like that type of build
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A good 25-30 pounds of muscle (or maybe a little less or maybe a little more..u get the idea) which in my opinion isnt all that easy to attain for an average guy is definetly worth the effort.
I thought someone asked if muscles will help a lot. I suppose they can get you some loose women for one night stands or something really well, but for relationships and stuff, they are of minimal importance.
Okay, I think it's time to stop discussing this subject right now, but just to tell all the guys who arent working out wondering if they can benefit from working out. This is my experience:
I used to be rather shy and never really got too much attention from girls (though I dont think i was really insecure or ugly)..I never had girls like checking me out or making eye contact or smiling at me on the street..plus I always blew it with those where I did have a chance (due to being 'AFC'). Actually until around 19-20 years old I was a complete loser with girls (Im not a pimp yet and still am not as good an approacher as I'd like to be but that's another story, plus this has improved greatly with my confidence boost..)
So I bulked up over the years and also started wearing clothes that complimented my upperbody (though I don't wear any of those really tight shirts, which look a bit strange or well 'gay' to me) which has really changed the way women perceive me. Not to sound conceited or anything (I know there's still guys looking better than me..even those that dont work out
), but everytime I go to a club or I walk through town I have so many girls who a few years ago wouldnt have noticed me at all(though I was never ugly..like I said, also: unfortunately its not like having a great body can make up for having an ugly face or something) checking me out, making (obvious) eye-contact, smiling at me..and I've even had a few girls (who I thought were beautiful) approach me. If I think about now and about like 3-4 years ago, this change is so dramatic that it feels kinda unreal to me (in a positive way).
So, I will defend my position and refute your first argument against me by saying, just because YOU got more attention from women doesn't mean ALL men will.
I'll stop discussing this part, because one of the things I've noticed in life is that a lot of times discussing an argument and trying to prove your point etc. even if people say it's a good and smart thing to do isn't really all that smart, because most of the time it's like person A has opinion A, person B has opinion B and at the end of the discussion person A still has opinion A and person B still has opinion B and all uve achieved is a waste of time (there are exceptions of course..). This right here is a perfect example, I guess lol.
However, anybody who's thinking about should I work out or shouldnt I work out? madgame says it has helped him SO MUCH whereas pimpfromdayone says its not really important. Judge for yourself. Would you rather believe somebody who has done that and tells u about his experience or would u rather believe somebody who hasnt done it (I know you said u were working out yourself, but I assume you are probably cut but not 'muscular' @pimpfromdayone..no offense)? Actually I think it's possible I would think about it the same way, hadn't I seen the benefits that came with it... Plus I don't really understand how he can say only because it has worked for ME doesnt mean it has to work for ALL men. That's kinda like saying: Okay only because he was studying for this test so hard and got an A+ on it, doesnt mean ALL ppl who study will get an A+ on it. Of course it doesnt, but usually it'll still make your grades better (unless you're doing something very wrong, which holds true for weight lifting too
)...I'm very sure, that I could make any of my friends (none of whom I consider ugly) a whole lot more attractive to the opposite gender, by creating a work out routine and making them eat enough protein/calories (without making them work out or eat like a bodybuilder and going to the gym 24-7). However it takes a while and most of my friends have girlfriends already, etc.
