muscles help but dont despire if u dont like weight lifting

[pimpfromdayone]

Yeah, this thread is pointless... I bet the women have an equally stupid thread somewhere on their forums where they discuss breast size. My opinion on that one of course is, perfect ti-ts are nice, but it won't make or break you. Same with muscles. Some of you guys seem to think I have no experience working out and shi-t, but you're wrong.... I have my own bench press too, and after at about a year, while I was progressing, I didn't think I actually looked better with those muscles, so I quit doing it regularly. Just because I am a "hard-gainer" doesn't mean I don't have dam-n good muscle definition already, whatever that is worth, and, I mean, having a six pack is WORTHLESS if you don't walk around with your shirt off all the time.

Whoever said 99% of men have no perserverance is right, but I'd say there are even more women who don't have it. Also, just because someone tries really hard doesn't mean they'll be successful.... it makes their chances much higher, but in a way, just like some people win the genetic lottery, some people are super successful with money, muscles, you name it, and some aren't. You can't just generalize and say people who aren't successful aren't trying. That is stupid.

 

[S-lemond]

Originally posted by Brak86
im ripped but i never get a chance to take off my shirt and flaunt my goodies to the ladies . I think girls are really self-conscious about their bodies cause they never want to go swimming.

yea they do...define ripped my friend...and how did u do it? hmm

 

[madgame]

I bet the women have an equally stupid thread somewhere on their forums where they discuss breast size.

Haha that just made my day. Finally we agree on something, so let's stop talking about this issue.

You wear a t-shirt in winter?? You must be in somewhere in FL then. Yes, I admit if you can do that and have muscle - it helps a lot.

But if you cover them with a shirt, just "a bigger frame" dosn't help much.
So the conclusion is right, but it has many limitations:
Of course muscles help if a) you are able to obtain enough muscles. Again, many can increase strength, but the size is a problem. b) if you can wear t-shirt all the time.

Nope. Actually I'm in germany where it does get cold in winter. But in school or college for example, inside it's always warm so nobody wears more than a sweater at the most. I usually only wear a shirt (and did that before I was 'muscular' too ;-)) except for the really cold months like december and january when Im inside of a heated building like college (outside I do wear a jacket of course lol)...

I'm pretty sure a 'bigger frame' does help. I have a broad chest/broader shoulders than most guys..I mean that's something you can tell if somebody's wearing a sweater, too and broad shoulders/broad chest are a turn on for the ladiez just like a big biceps (which is probably less visible if ure wearing a sweater or something), because simple and plain it's 'masculine'. Though it probably wont help you a lot if u have masculine broad shoulders but a bit tummy in that case most girls would prefer a slim fella i guess... and of course you can wear sweaters/long sleeve shirts that kinda fit your body and show more of your shape, but still aren't 'gay-looking' ;-)

Plus just think about..looking at a guy whos 6'3 and 175 (which I used to be before working out) pounds or a guy whos 200 pounds (which Im now), u definetly see the difference.

I really think titties on girls and muscles on guy are a very good comparison, so I'm just really lucky to be a guy so to me working out is a natural and healthy (if u dont do roids etc.) way to get the male equivalent of silicone tits without surgery lol.

Oh and...I dont really think girls can tell if a guy is 'ripped' when they see him wearing a sweater as in seeing he's working out his muscles, but if the guy is very ripped and does work out on the one side they are probably just able to tell that he's cut (as in having little body fat) by looking at his face..seriously u can see that. I saw a friend of mine again after he was on vacation for a few months who used to be pretty average with average body fat
but didnt have a tummy or anything, now he lost like 15 pounds (im assuming 10lbs of fat cause he lost some muscle also) and u can tell he's way more cut by just seeing his face. Plus if he's working out even if girls wont feel like 'oh he has great muscles' (cause they cant see them) they might still feel like 'hes really cut be he isnt a skinny dude'.


Ohh..and seriously there's no such thing as increasing strength (by a lot) without your muscles growing. You can influence the ratio of muscle/strength a little by using different numbers of repetitions, but u cant double your bench press without your chest getting way bigger than before. (In some other post i did recently in the helath and fitness section we were talking about the same thing, just in case ur interested).

Plus the limitation a) doesnt really count, because I don't see the point in saying muscles help if a) you're able to gain/obtain enough muscle lol I mean of course muscles dont help YOU if YOU dont have them.

 

[Aaron B]

From Getting More Female Attention by Ivan from the Quick Tips section of the main page:

The key determinant of attractiveness of a male body to a woman is the waist-chest (or waist-shoulder) ratio. In much the same way as waist-hip ratio is key for female attractiveness to men.

There is science backing this claim.

But it is more subtle than that. It's the size of the shoulders RELATIVE to the waist (i.e., the shape) that counts. Body size makes little difference! A tall slim swimmer with broad shoulders or a shorter bulkier boxer, or a massive football player, it's the shape that counts. Even height doesn't over-rule this. A tall man with skinny shoulders is still not rated highly!

 

[Egoist]

Originally posted by Aaron B
From Getting More Female Attention by Ivan from the Quick Tips section of the main page:



There is science backing this claim.

yup.

shoulders to waist in males, hips to waist in females are key..

 

[Egoist]

Originally posted by Aaron B
From Getting More Female Attention by Ivan from the Quick Tips section of the main page:

" A tall man with skinny shoulders is still not rated highly!"

This is also a reason why proper posture and the way you hold yourself is so damn important.

 

[pimpfromdayone]

Yeah, I completely agree with this idea on body proportion. I have always cared much more about the waist-hip ratio in women than any other physical trait (excluding the face of course). As a man, my waist is so fu-cking skinny, and apart from fattening up, there isn't much to do about it... why should I care anyway. My hips are already small, and my size 30 pants always hang loosely on my hips, but you can still see a pretty nice transition there...
The shape that you should aim for is the "V" shape, with broad looking shoulder area (includes shoulders themselves, pectoral muscles, and some nice lats- the lats are very important in the transition to make the "V"), and a narrower waist which hopefully is cut to a nice 6 pack. That alone should be impressive enough, without the need for excess muscle, but do as you wish.

 

[Visceral]

What about if you don't like any physical activity?

 

[Egoist]

Originally posted by Visceral
What about if you don't like any physical activity?

i'd say i feel sorry for you or anybody who feels like that.

You are a ****ing man. Don't get me wrong, intelligence, brains, thinking, thats all important. But being healthy and physically active is a major major major component of being a real ****ing man. It makes you better on every level.

yes its painful, and you know, not a lot of people truly love physical activity. You actually sort of learn to love it for the pain, the feeling of accomplishment. Hell, some of my most proud moments were the most painful ones..

 

[Aaron B]

Originally posted by pimpfromdayone
As a man, my waist is so fu-cking skinny, and apart from fattening up, there isn't much to do about it... why should I care anyway. My hips are already small, and my size 30 pants always hang loosely on my hips, but you can still see a pretty nice transition there...

The point of my post is that a small waist is a GOOD thing, provided you've got some bulk up top.

The shape that you should aim for is the "V" shape, with broad looking shoulder area (includes shoulders themselves, pectoral muscles, and some nice lats- the lats are very important in the transition to make the "V"), and a narrower waist which hopefully is cut to a nice 6 pack. That alone should be impressive enough, without the need for excess muscle, but do as you wish.

Who's talking about "excess muscle?" Many of us don't naturally have the V-Shape (myself included), so we need to add mass upstairs to get it.

Once I have achieved the look I want, I will continue to lift weights but I won't be focused on gaining size any longer.

At that point I'll burn off the excess fat while keeping as much of the mass as possible.

 

[Aaron B]

Originally posted by Visceral
What about if you don't like any physical activity?

A big part of life is doing things you don't enjoy because they will benefit you in the long run.

 

[SuperEMan]

YES, yes yes!

Boys, listen to what friv is saying... real men know what needs to be done, for those on the if side.... do it...

There is absolutely NO good reason to not build muscle... look up 'why not to lift weights' to see for yourself

the ONE AND ONLY down side, if you will, is your need to up your DCI (Daily Caloric Intake) which can really be a pain... you gotta be buying/cooking/eating 6+ meals a day if you've been doing it long enough, but these are words of wisdom... do it and become the man you and women want to be/with...

SuperEMan

 

[chancer]

good good... that's what i like to hear. Benefits, benefits, benefits... Why the **** not?

 

[madgame]

The shape that you should aim for is the "V" shape, with broad looking shoulder area (includes shoulders themselves, pectoral muscles, and some nice lats- the lats are very important in the transition to make the "V"), and a narrower waist which hopefully is cut to a nice 6 pack. That alone should be impressive enough, without the need for excess muscle, but do as you wish.

Most people make the mistake of worrying about getting 'excess muscle'. Chances are after starting to work out you'll worry about not being able to attain that V-shape. Plus if for any reason you did pack on muscle 10 times faster than the average joe, you could still controll it by just working out less...oh and contrary to popular belief muscle doesnt turn into fat when u stop working out .so please dont worry about excess muscle.

What about if you don't like any physical activity?

If you think the 'pain' of physical activity outweighs the benefits youll get from it, just dont do it. Chances are you wont die (though working out or playing some sports is actually healthy...). Besides i feel like thats a little (though not exactly) like saying "Im failing at all those tests and am about to drop out? should I go to a tutor (private teacher..dont know if its the right word in english)? But I dont like studying!

Unless you're really lazy u probably do things every day, that you dont just do for the fun of it but because you like the results of it.

 

[pimpfromdayone]

No, you misunderstood, I never said anyone should WORRY about getting excess muscle, I said after you're looking good, you don't need any more muscle (which I referred to as excess). Of course you make the decision when enough is enough, but most motherfu-ckers have other shi-t to do besides work out and eat 24/7... think about it. How many rich, successful men do you see who have super muscular bodies? Not that many, because they have other things to do and they didn't get where they are with muscle. Ok, Arnold S. is one exception. You know, even he doesn't even look that big anymore after he quit working out a lot. Having the need for more calorie intake is a big plus for most people who can eat all the time, but not really for me... my metabolism is about as high as I ever want it to be. Hel-l, even if I did put on huge muscles, I doubt I could maintain them.

Self-improvement is what this board is all about. If you weren't born with the "v" shape, and you feel inadequate without it, by all means do something about it. Being super-muscular went out with the cave men, and women are NOT all as stupid as you think they are. The world has changed. Women still respond well to a nice body, but I have seen first-hand how much more important other things are. I don't need to tell you that my skinny ass has attracted women over men twice my size, but I have, and I also don't have to tell you that those men were completely inconfident and they were OBVIOUSLY trying to make up for their lack of balls. It is the general trend actually. Women can smell insecurity. Sure, the women loved their body, but besides a little eye candy, what good did it do for them? Did it make the men's di-cks any bigger? No. Did it put any food on the table or support them financially. No. Women want a man who is in shape, but most are not quite as superficial as you might think. Even the superficial ones are smart enough to know that the smart men (usually with good personalities) are going to be the ones making all the money, and guess what, most of them don't have above-average bodies. I am a man and I don't even care about tit size, so what makes you think they value your appearance any more than you value theirs?

Look, I never said NOT to weight lift to improve yourself. I am all for it, but don't EVER measure yourself by the size of your muscles. That is the message I am giving here, nothing else.

 

[sstype]

Muscles are just one way of projecting value to others. Other ways include high social status, a charismatic personality, money, etc.

For a lot of guys here still insecure about themselves, setting a goal to be more muscular (weight gain or fat loss) will definitely increase your value to women.

Your value will skyrocket with those you are already friends/aquantainces with.

Imagine being a skinny nerd, and in a year, you completely transformed yourself into a nice tanned muscular hunk. Hopefully you would have worked on your attitude and personality as well. How gratifying it is too see the same girls that shunned you a year ago completely go ga-ga on the new you. Think...Don Juan attitude+physcially attractive body=unstoppable muthafycker!

Being physically attractive is just one tool to help you attract women, but it can be a very handy tool when used correctly!

 

[madgame]

You seem kinda pissed..lol
I'm sorry for misunderstanding you anyways, its just that a lot of ppl actually think that.my bad. But anyways, Im really not into those childish internet flame wars and will walk away from this pointless conversation after you probably answer something like "its not true. you got me all wrong. not I am stupid, you are stupid"

Of course you make the decision when enough is enough, but most motherfu-ckers have other shi-t to do besides work out and eat 24/7... think about it. How many rich, successful men do you see who have super muscular bodies?

am all for it, but don't EVER measure yourself by the size of your muscles.

You're misunderstanding some things, too however. Actually I did say pretty often that working out is NOT EVERYTHING and that you dont need to work out like a bodybuilder. Never did I say you had to be 'supermuscular' if you just want to be more attractive to the opposite gender..... Actually A lot of celebrities are muscular. The muscles Arnold Schwarzenegger used to have are way over the top if u wanna attract most girls imo tho. Plus believe me most (male) celebrities actually do work out regularly and have muscular bodies (not 'supermuscular' of course...). You just don't realize that if you see that unless you see them without a shirt, because well on tv you just dont see that unless you look very close etc.....

plus super rich celebrities are a pretty stupid example. Of course they will do just fine. They'll even do fine with women if they have not so good looking faces and are way out of shape...

Ok now...I wanna let go but I have to respond to this because I think it's been a long time since I've read so many stupid claims in just a couple of sentences. Seriously I might have never run into something like that before.

Being super-muscular went out with the cave men, and women are NOT all as stupid as you think they are.

Why do you think 'cavemen' were all 'supermuscular'...thats not really important now lol but dont believe any damn thing u see in the movies..lol just because they choose professional bodybuilders to play 'cave men' like conan doesnt mean (all) the guys back then had bodies anywhere close to that..or do you think they had muscles like Arnold Schwarzenegger and were cut like him lol

Plus I never said women are stupid. Why are women stupid for going after something they find attractive? That doesnt make them stupid..

The world has changed. Women still respond well to a nice body, but I have seen first-hand how much more important other things are. I don't need to tell you that my skinny ass has attracted women over men twice my size,

Well like I said a couple of times: Muscles aint everything and a skinny good-looking guy with a nice face is more attractive than a ugly guy with big muscles...

and I also don't have to tell you that those men were completely inconfident and they were OBVIOUSLY trying to make up for their lack of balls. It is the general trend actually. Women can smell insecurity.

Another remark that backs up your intelligence. Actually most guys will tell u they gained confidence through working out and Im pretty sure ppl with well developed bodies carry themselves better than ppl without well developed bodies if u did a study consisting of enough persons.....Usually most of the guys I see who are muscular act like machos thinking they are the worlds greatest and that they can have any woman on this planet..not that I like such an attitude but such an attitude is way more common in 'such ppl' than what u describe...

You might say something like "Yeah but still they don't have balls like me". If u did I would say: Who cares if it has helped them..the only intelligent sentence in this post was that this board is about self-improvement

Sure, the women loved their body, but besides a little eye candy, what good did it do for them? Did it make the men's di-cks any bigger?

It pretty much did the same (superficial) thing for them that a larger **** size would have done: it made(makes) those guys more attractive (all other things being equal) to them...when looking at it/them and when feeling it/them...but other than that I find your remark kinda ridiculous because you're talking about how stupid being superficial and everything is and then your argument is "it didnt make their ****s any bigger".

Women want a man who is in shape, but most are not quite as superficial as you might think.

Nope Im sure they are as superficial as I think. However you have no idea how superficial I think they are. I think they are pretty much as superficial as us men are (maybe a little less). All I said is that muscles (tho they arent necessary...) are a big plus, which I have 'witnessed first-hand' just like u witnessed other things that are (more) important. I've gone from being a probably somewhat above average-looking guy (sorry if that sounds conceited or whateva..), to a somewhat above average-looking guy with some nice muscles and a 'nice v-shape' and girls are complementing me on my muscles all the time. That doesnt mean there are also skinny guys who are more attractive to females than me, but still it's obvious that it has made me a lot more attractive to females.

Even the superficial ones are smart enough to know that the smart men (usually with good personalities) are going to be the ones making all the money, and guess what, most of them don't have above-average bodies.

I have a friend who's average looking btw, but he's only 5'7 and skinny and at age 24 has never even kissed a girl. It's obvious that his (lack of) size is his problem in attracting women, though he's an intelligent guy. Oh and despite my working out and thinking muscles are a big plus, I'm going to college and think a good education is more important for me.

I am a man and I don't even care about tit size, so what makes you think they value your appearance any more than you value theirs?

Im standing in awe and cant really come up with an argument contesting this brillant generalization: I dont care about tit size ----> All men dont care about tit size (when like 90% like c-d cups ). You are right, I am wrong I admit it.

I am all for it, but don't EVER measure yourself by the size of your muscles.

I don't and think ppl who do are stupid, which has nothing to do with the comments I've made about muscles being a big plus in attraction because they are physically attractive to the opposite gender (oh and in case u have missed that:Im talking about 'kind of big' muscles not superbig muscles...).

If u had worked out and had gotten fairly muscular, you would see the difference. Why are girls all over 50 cent and say his body is hot (though actually I was talking about less muscular than him the whole time)? Because they find that hot....and yeah sure he's rich and famous otherwise he would be far from being that attractive to women, but still I hear no girls screaming how attractive they find snoop dogg's body.

Say what you want after this ridiculous post of yours, I won't talk back anymore because this is just a waste of time and I feel bad for replying to this anyways... I'll rather put another hour or two into working out and becoming a supermuscular caveman so I can make up for my lack of confidence instead of trying to prove you wrong

This sounds like Im just saying this to diss you but most of what you wrote in that post sounded like you were very bitter for not being muscular (even though you might still be better looking than many muscular guys..) and just not wanting to accept that they do play a somewhat big role in physical attraction...simply immature

 

[madgame]

Muscles are just one way of projecting value to others. Other ways include high social status, a charismatic personality, money, etc.

For a lot of guys here still insecure about themselves, setting a goal to be more muscular (weight gain or fat loss) will definitely increase your value to women.

Your value will skyrocket with those you are already friends/aquantainces with.

Imagine being a skinny nerd, and in a year, you completely transformed yourself into a nice tanned muscular hunk. Hopefully you would have worked on your attitude and personality as well. How gratifying it is too see the same girls that shunned you a year ago completely go ga-ga on the new you. Think...Don Juan attitude+physcially attractive body=unstoppable muthafycker!

Being physically attractive is just one tool to help you attract women, but it can be a very handy tool when used correctly!

I couldnt have put it better.

 

[pimpfromdayone]

haha, ok man, whatever you say. I didn't want to make it an argument or anything..... and I am not by any means bitter about muscles. You don't know what I look like, but I have said before that I do have some decent muscles, I have my own dam-n weight room, but I am still not saying one way is right over the other. I am just saying everyone is different, and if you want to get women just because of muscles, go for it, but I want my women to be better than that so I don't even bother with getting any bigger than I am now....
The whole point of my post was that you should be confident with who you are now. Now don't argue with me and say, "Well uuuuuhh, I am more confident with muscles so I will get them." That is stupid. If you aren't confident without them, you're probably no better off with them. Be confident in who you are at the present moment. That's all. Forget it though, some people on here will never be "mature" enough to understand.

 

[ScrewIt]

here are the answers you've all been seeking, quoted from this site http://www.units.muohio.edu/psybersite/attraction/gender.shtml

Men’s ideals for their own physique tends to be "bigger equals better." This preference is consistent with the Freudian construct that men are obsessed with large objects or parts of their anatomy. According to Adam Drewnowski (1995), more men wanted to gain weight rather than lose weight. The use of steroids and excessive weight lifting can accomplish this goal of a larger body. Women however tend to find men of average size to be most attractive. Michael Cunningham (1990) found that women prefer men with moderately broad shoulders who are of medium height and have a chest slightly larger than average, but not as large and powerful as a traditional body builder’s chest. Devendra Singh (1995) examined the role of male body shape, as defined by their waist-to-hip ratio, in women’s mate choices. Again men found in the typical size range were judged as more attractive, healthy, and possessing many positive personal qualities.

So in reality, the athletic slim guy is the ideal type that mmost women want.