muscles help but dont despire if u dont like weight lifting

[MuayThai]

I speak from personal experiance so listen up...

Muscles will contribute to getting girls, simple.

Being fit, healthy and energetic (what happens when you lift or run) will make your life better, you'll feel more confident and have more testostorone (and that mean confidence, dominace and energy)

Although if you only have your muscles, you won't get women.
Muscles attract, personallity wins
Muscles can be a "masculin dress"
Ok example...

One of my mates, is the funniest, smartest, well adjusted people you'll ever meet. But he gets no girls, only LJBF'ed. And yes he is a skinny bloke.

Now me, I was very skinny. Put on 30 pounds and the girls love me. (think brad pit with a lil bit of fat)

I don't care what people say about "lifting and muscles"
I KNOW that they help you in everything from girls to your emotions and problems.

Why do you think some guys get hooked on it? i.e bodybuilders

Try it, you'll be amazed.

 

[madgame]

This is what I mean you didn't even answer the question.

I asked if building up was the major part of attraction. Why does everyone on the board can't answer question directly.

Muscles aren't everything of course. But they do play a big part. I remember when I was like 16/17 only starting to lift weights properly, I never really had girls go for me. Not because I was ugly, just because I wasn't noticed by them too much I guess (I dont think for example that a lot of girls would choose somebody whos 'ugly' but has muscles over somebody who has a nice face but not muscles..). Now I'm 22 and have pretty much gotten they body I've strived for and it's really a great difference. I don't think I could have any girl in this world and bla nor am I a real 'DJ' but girls (even the ones that I find attractive ) are giving me so many more looks than they used to and are like 'let me touch that' (chest) or 'wow that's a nice biceps (touching it and almost drooling)'...

But like I said muscles aint everything. Just think of it this way:

Muscles on a guy = titties and ass on a girl

nice and big tits on a girl plus a pretty butt = major turn on

but if shes fat and has big tits it doesnt help her much i guess..just like a guy who has muscular arms but is flat out fat.

and then again titties/great ass play a bigger role in 'seduction' than they do in finding somebody whos relationship material. I mean dont get me wrong, of course we all want our girls to have nice tits and a great ass, but I guess at least for me Im probably more prone to get a crush on a girl who has a lean body with just average tits and and average butt but with a really pretty face, than I am to fall in love with a girl who has the nicest tits and cutest azz ever if I don't really dig her face (and her ways but this isnt about personality).

Anyways, a guy asking if muscles play a big role in seduction or not is just like a girl asking if her tits and her butt play a big role in seduction. Anybody who says no is just wrong.
(though Im not saying muscles are everything)

 

[pimpfromdayone]

The reason for that is most guys just want something to fu-ck. For me, at least 80% of the attraction is from her face, not her body, even though I will admit a nice body is definitely a plus.... but I'm not picky about her ti-t size or ass, just so she has a decent slightly hourglass shape like most girls do and is of average weight. Anything more is just icing on the cake... eye candy if you will. I would imagine that the halfway intelligent women have the same ideas.

 

[ScrewIt]

Originally posted by madgame

Anyways, a guy asking if muscles play a big role in seduction or not is just like a girl asking if her tits and her butt play a big role in seduction. Anybody who says no is just wrong.
(though Im not saying muscles are everything)

You cant make that kind of comparison. The way women perceive attraction in a male is slightly different than the way men perceive attraction in a female.

In reality, the amount of good looking girls on this planet far outweight the amount of good looking guys. So somewhere down the line, they will have to make comprimises to compensate what's lacking in a mate.

 

[madgame]

In reality, the amount of good looking girls on this planet far outweight the amount of good looking guys. So somewhere down the line, they will have to make comprimises to compensate what's lacking in a mate.

Is this a proven fact? I think you're just biased because you prefer girls Seriously though if I go to a club or think about school it's not like the ratio of good looking guys to good looking girls was so much on one side...If there were so many more hot girls than hot guys, I doubt there were so many people on this board...

Anyways, apart from all of that, in my experience muscles and a lean body are as important as tits nice ass and lean shape in a girl are to us guys. It's a great attraction, but it's not so much the type of thing that makes the other gender 'fall in love' or 'have crushes' like a beautiful smile or good looking eyes do.

The only difference to me is, that the average girl cares 1% less about looks and bodies than us guys do. You might think girls dont care about bodies that much, if u listen to a lot of them, but dont be fooled. I know enough girls who act and say stuff like 'I don't care about looks' or at least 'looks aren't that important to me'...for some it's true but in a lot of cases these girls also have pics of brad pitt or other males a without shirt on their schoolbooks and get all freaky when they see a guy with a nice 6pack or if you talk to them about more they switch from 'I dont care about looks' to 'I dont care about looks - AS LONG AS he doesnt have a big tummy, because ewww I dont like that at all. And of course muscles are nice but Im so much more about personality'....

Anyways, Im pretty sure the comparison of muscles on a guy to tits and ass on a girl can be made in my experience.

 

[pimpfromdayone]

With the right skills, any woman can be manipulated into liking you.... they are so vulnerable in this respect. If you can't make them like you with just your body/face, you have to use your personality. Ultimately, the personality is the great equalizer among men. Where women must rely primarily on looks, men have a major advantage in the mating game in that they can use their brains to influence the woman and manipulate her thoughts into an attraction for them. This is just one reason why you should thank God you are a man.

I disagree with the importance you all place on appearance. It is important to have a clean-cut look and whatnot, but to women, most men are basically the same, as far as looks are concerned. If that weren't the case, you wouldn't see so many hot girls dating so many ugly-average guys. Men are attracted mainly by what they see, but I don't think women work the same way. Sure, a sexy hollywood star is going to make them melt, but that isn't the kind of guys most of them date and you know it. Women are very beautiful creatures, and I just don't think men can even be compared to them when it comes to physical attractiveness, and yes, I realize I'm very biased, but think about it.... even women compliment each other constantly on their good looks. A woman will take an average guy she is attracted to (for reasons not concerning his looks for the most part) and build physical attraction from there. A man on the other hand is busy trying to justify why some beautiful woman deserves to be with him, even though all she has is looks. This is possibly the only situation in the world where women actually behave smarter than us men.

As for tits and ass, like I say, for appearance, I highly doubt a woman cares more about your muscles than about your face. I am a MAN, one who values a woman's appearance above ALL, and for me, if her face is beautiful, all I care is that her body is about average. I'm really surprised no women have chirped in here.....

 

[Tazman]

I always hear about how people see these really "hot" chicks with ugly guys. I'm sorry I just don't see it. Sure there have been odd moments when I'd see a couple who seemed a little mismatched, but even then, the discrepancies are minimal. As heterosexual men I don't think we can pick up on the same things that women see in the men they're attracted to. Women have physical standards just like we do, it's just different.

You might see a really cute woman who has a nice figure with a guy you'd consider ugly, but you're still just looking at the surface (he may even be just an interim bf, until someone better comes along). Have you seen this chick without makeup, or without her clothes on? She might have really bad skin, lopsided breasts, big scars, bad cellulite, etc.

We assume that you can get "any" woman with good "game" (which is a good mentality to have) but I just don't see it.

 

[pimpfromdayone]

You don't see them?? Are you blind? They're everywhere. And in case you didn't know, MOST bf's are interim bf's... something like 80% of women aren't happy in their current relationship, and they are just waiting on someone else better to come along as you say. I won't argue with the fact that most people pair up based on appearance (8's with 8's and so on) but that's just because most men (ugly or not) have no game and they all rely on their looks to get them women, which doesn't happen that often for the average ones, or even better looking ones too.

 

[ScrewIt]

Originally posted by Tazman


You might see a really cute woman who has a nice figure with a guy you'd consider ugly, but you're still just looking at the surface (he may even be just an interim bf, until someone better comes along). Have you seen this chick without makeup, or without her clothes on? She might have really bad skin, lopsided breasts, big scars, bad cellulite, etc.

Thank god for the invention of make up!

Honestly about 2/3's or 50% of the population of girls look very average or hideous without their makeup. And a lot of very bad scarring too....believe me i've seen too many to name

 

[pimpfromdayone]

That's why I'm into the "natural" "girl next door" look. I don't like make-up.

 

[guitaronfire411]

Exactly. Accessories and make-up can only hide a non-existant or ugly personality for a short while.

 

[al77]

Lets consider some real situations.
If you are ripped, have just a tight t-shirt on you - sure it helps with girls. Or at the beach. Sure it does.
But the reality is... how often you can wear just a t-shirt? Only in summer. And how long do you have to work out to get so ripped?? Years and years. It doesn't happen in 6months or 12 months.
There are just a few guys who are really ripped. There are a lot of guys who are strong and do work out. So what? When they wear more than a t-shirt, it doen't matter much to women that your should a bit bigger. She can't see the definition, can't see the muscles.. nothing.

Wokring out helps you think "I am cool", but to obtain impressive results, well... thats quite rare. note, you could lift a lot and get strong - thats relatively easy. But get ripped and look impressive -forget about it.

From the guys who I notice in my gym, maybe 1 out of each 30 looks relatively good. The rest are just strong, but this doesn't impress women.

Working out help you feel better and stabilize your mood. To get impressive result from lifting is near impossible for majority of guys due to several different reasons: genes, body type, bad nutrition, not enough excercise... lack of commitment, lack of time..
Etc etc.

 

[backbreaker]

STOP IT EVERYONE


This is a waste of perfectly good webspace.


Now, it's not that the message is a dumb message... I somewhat agree with the message..


But, WHY POST IT IN THE FIRST PLACE..


It's coming ****ing sense, that the more advantages you have, the better you will be with women...


No one said that you HAVE to be ripped to get women, so stop implying that people are saying that...

And stop posting thoose "well, I'm 10-20 pounds overweight and I get hot chicks" like you are trying to defend why you are fat and lazy. I don't believe half of you, and the ones who really are doing it, no one said that you couldn't... it just makes it harder...

You don't have to be 6'6 to be in the NBA.. but being 6'6 is a definate plus.. see the point?

I mean.. and there are REALLy people dumb enough to argue in this post.

Everyone wants to be ripped, the only difference is, everyone isn't willing to do what it takes to be ripped, and the people who don't try to vindicate or jusstify it.

More than anything, ,and this is something no one hit upon, is when a girl sees a guy that is ripped, she knows it didn't happen overnight.. It takes some t ype of dedication to get a great body.

Dedication/Will Power= somthing 99 percent of American Men don't have.

 

[backbreaker]

Just to prove how stupid this tread is, I am going to pick on Al77 (no offense)

First, you don' thave to be wearing a T Shirt to tell a guy is ripped...

My best friend... better yet, I can show you better than I can tell you... here is a picture of him

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ur_hacked03/detail?.dir=/1b3a&.dnm=8a23.jpg&.src=ph
(in the middle)

Is cut.. very cut.. However, all he wears are baggy Tee Shirts and Baggy Jeans, and girls somehow still know that he is ripped

Do you know how long it took him to get that ripped honestly.... about 3 and a half months... He put a weight bench in his dormroom and everytime he looked at it he would lift.. I saw him when he got back and I couldn't reconzie him...

It takes Years to be a professional body builder, but to loose weight or to tone up... maybe 3-5 months, depending on how well you stick to your diet, your workout routine and your body..

I was 200LBs in May.. By the Beginning of September I was 175LB.. I'm 171LBS now.


People who use time as an excuse, are doing that.. making up an excuse to be lazy..

Even if it did take years, so what?

And honestly, I don't even work out for women, I work out because I look at my family and all of them have a habit of putting on fat extremely easy, and i know that if I don't work out I will be fat, well not fat, but very thick.. no one in my favmi

 

[madgame]

Well I never wear more than a t-shirt when i'm at a club or inside of certain buildings like in college even if it isnt summer plus u can tell I have a bigger frame if im wearing a sweater or something, though Im far from being a bodybuilder.


and this "issue" about ugly/average guys getting hot chicks... I have to agree with tazman (I think Ive said it in a post before also): I see it like every once in a while, but not too often. Actually I can only think of one guy I know (casually) who u could consider somewhat ugly but who has a hot girlfriend..and in his case we can definetly blame status (status changes everything. I think thats the biggest difference when it comes to seducing between man and woman. I bet biggie got as much azz as he wanted even if the girls knew they wouldnt get any money out of him..but did it just because he has status...and then again how many of u guys would **** missy elliot just because shes a famous musician?).

I have to say a lot of times I thought of a couple of guys who got with hot chicks as being nothing but average looking and was wondering how they did it. Then I figured out that if so many girls said they looked 'cute' and everything there had to be a reason and that I probably just couldnt judge the looks of guys as well as those of girls cause I dont look at them too much. I think now I can judge them a lot better knowing better what girls like in a guy's looks.

but backbreaker is right this is a waste of time...of course muscles help. It's almost unreal to me how getting a great body has changed the way females perceive me. So nobody can tell me girls care less about looks than us do.

 

[al77]

Originally posted by backbreaker

First, you don' thave to be wearing a T Shirt to tell a guy is ripped...
Is cut.. very cut.. However, all he wears are baggy Tee Shirts and Baggy Jeans, and girls somehow still know that he is ripped

Do you know how long it took him to get that ripped honestly.... about 3 and a half months... He put a weight bench in his dormroom and everytime he looked at it he would lift.. I saw him when he got back and I couldn't reconzie him...

It takes Years to be a professional body builder, but to loose weight or to tone up...

Ok, Every one is different.

You friend is wearing what? a T-shirt of some kind! Make him wear a shirt and a tie, and no girl will say if he is ripped or not.
I am sure swimming, summer, teh beach though is his really strong sides. There they will see he is ripped.
But how often he use them?

Some guys have good genes, some don't. So he is a bit more lucky than others - yes for him it makes sense to work out since he obtain msucle mass easily. Everyone is different.

For example, I don't work out to lose fat, I need to gain something.. anything! I would not mind even to gain fat somewhere around my shoulders
I work out, is gainign stregth, but to gain size for me is very very tough.

 

[frivolousz21]

if u have a cute face/smile

it doenst matter if u workout or not.


women care about the face by far more than anything.

 

[chancer]

I have a cute face and smile... and i'm tall. But it was SOOOOO much easier when i gained just 10 lbs. i'm back on the workout tip. It is obvious that you need to be on point, but working out will only help. I want the dimes looking my way, not the fat and ugly girls. And when i see those dimes, i want them to know that i'm gonna work that ****.

 

[al77]

Originally posted by madgame
Well I never wear more than a t-shirt when i'm at a club or inside of certain buildings like in college even if it isnt summer plus u can tell I have a bigger frame if im wearing a sweater or something, though Im far from being a bodybuilder.

but backbreaker is right this is a waste of time...of course muscles help. It's almost unreal to me how getting a great body has changed the way females perceive me. So nobody can tell me girls care less about looks than us do.

You wear a t-shirt in winter?? You must be in somewhere in FL then. Yes, I admit if you can do that and have muscle - it helps a lot.

But if you cover them with a shirt, just "a bigger frame" dosn't help much.
So the conclusion is right, but it has many limitations:
Of course muscles help if a) you are able to obtain enough muscles. Again, many can increase strength, but the size is a problem. b) if you can wear t-shirt all the time.

 

[pimpfromdayone]

Yeah, this thread is pointless... I bet the women have an equally stupid thread somewhere on their forums where they discuss breast size. My opinion on that one of course is, perfect ti-ts are nice, but it won't make or break you. Same with muscles. Some of you guys seem to think I have no experience working out and shi-t, but you're wrong.... I have my own bench press too, and after at about a year, while I was progressing, I didn't think I actually looked better with those muscles, so I quit doing it regularly. Just because I am a "hard-gainer" doesn't mean I don't have dam-n good muscle definition already, whatever that is worth, and, I mean, having a six pack is WORTHLESS if you don't walk around with your shirt off all the time.

Whoever said 99% of men have no perserverance is right, but I'd say there are even more women who don't have it. Also, just because someone tries really hard doesn't mean they'll be successful.... it makes their chances much higher, but in a way, just like some people win the genetic lottery, some people are super successful with money, muscles, you name it, and some aren't. You can't just generalize and say people who aren't successful aren't trying. That is stupid.