Originally posted by al77
Great post!!
By the way, 6'2, 220-230 lbs, 20% = bad body??? Man, you are so hard on yourself. Look at you - my estimation that you have 9-10 looks! So... it doesn't really matter for women what you have under your shirt - they see your face and it is enough!
Thank you for the compliment, but it was 20%+ bodyfat, not 20% on the spot. I don't know the exact number because I didn't measure it.
When you are on the chubby side, your face tends to look a lot different. The difference in facial structure between 10 and 20% bodyfat is noticable. Your jawline is more apparent, your face looks slimmer, etc.
You have amazing results - but how women know what you have under your shirt? If you do appoaches at the beach - sure, you will have HUGE advantage. but let me guess you did less than 1% of all approache sat the beach....
When you develop muscle mass, your body composition is noticable through your clothes. For example, women can't see your six pack. But they'll see your wide lats, developed traps, big chest, slim waist, and assume you have a muscular body underneath. Wearing tigher fitting clothing emphisizes your body.
Also, there are other ways. Taking girls on swimming dates (great action date), playing strip poker at a party, going shopping with a girl and trying on clothes in front of her, etc.
1. You got insane attention. There are some questions though
a) you didn't have it before? I think you simple improved your game for the last 3+ year a lot. b) you look very good without any muscles. c) what average age of the girl who are impressed?
Young girl are always impressed with everything cool, but they are ready to switch to somebody else who is cooler ...
a.) No I didn't have THIS type of attention. I had game, but that was it. It was always me initiating everything. Me being the one asking a girl out, me calling her up, setting up dates, etc. While it got the job done, it was somewhat unfullfilling because it felt like it was me putting in all the work you know? When I lost the weight and got into amazing shape, there was a huge role reversal. Most of the time now, it's usually girls that phone me up and ask me to do stuff with them, or girls approaching me and initiating conversations with me, etc.
b.) I'd like to think that I have improved my outer game over the last 3 years, but that'd be a lie. I still talk to girls the way I used when I was out of shape, I still act the same way. My inner game has approved and I put up with a lot less stuff then I did back in the day, but that's normal when your options increase.
c.) Most of the girls were in their early/mid 20s, but I have hooked up with several 30+ year old women. believe it or not, older women in my experiance were more shallow then younger girls. they feel like they've lost that seductive edge that they had when they were young, and always get hit on by single older guys who are out of shape/balding, etc. To them, hooking up with a guy in mid 20s that has a great body is a huge ego boost.
2. Lets not talk about personality, take it out of the equation.
You see an amazing female body - you go for it? I won't even think about her if she doesn't have "chemistry".
Hey I'm the same way man. The thing you have to realize is, real chemistry takes a while to achieve. Sure you can meet someone and have a great first few dates, and hit it off (by the way that's common when a girl is attracted to you). But that's not chemistry in my opinion. Real chemistry is the ability to coexist together over a period time. Once the novelty of looks wears off and the only things keeping the relationship going are your personalities and how you get along. This takes a long while to develop.
If I think the girl is hot, and I want to hook up with her, I will approach her. If she isn't a stuck up b!tch or giving me cold signals, I'll definetly ask her out and then get her number. If everything goes good in the next few weeks, I'll keep seeing her, if it doesn't, I'll LJBF her.
But I wont expect to have chemistry overnight. That takes time man.
3. "fit, healthy, and become a stronger, better person"
I am lean naturally. I don't do any physical work so I dont really need to become stronger. Healthy - yes, definitely yes - but I would devote just some time to cardio, muscles do not mean health. Better person- in a way - yes. You got some good feeling after the exercising, that makes you happier. It is addicitive and I believe it is the main reasons of exercising.
The more muscle mass you have, the better your metabolism is, which means your body is more efficient at burning fat during rest. And yeah, you do feel better after exercising, but that's not why it is addictive. People who bodybuild set goals, and achieve them. The satisfaction you get from achieving a goal is what keeps you going.
4. Right. You got looks even withot muscles. It will work.
But tell me how the judge will know you have an amazing six pack?
Like I said, if you work out for a long while, the results of your labor will show through your clothes. Put on a tight fitting t shirt, and your traps, lats, biceps, triceps, chest become obvious. Girls see that you're fit in almost every area of the body, and assume that you have a 6 pack.
Like in that pic jprjrjr posted. He's wearing a shirt, but it's obvious that he is in killer shape and has a six pack.
5. Again - he's got looks! It is attarctive even without execrising...
Yes it is, but my whole point was that looks enhance your personality. The better looking you are, the more success you have. Yes he does have good looks, but if he were to work out and get in killer shape, he'd have an even easier time.
6. You probably have never realized some simple thing you always had: height and looks. These two give you a huge advantage anyway. When you approch a girl, how does she know you have a good six pack? She may think "Yeah.. this guy is working out.." but it is pretty much it. What attract her is your face, your game.... is she is attracted to your body only, she is so shallow you even will not want her for any kind of a "long time".
I'll agree, my height has been an genetic advantage, and I will never downplay it. It helps a lot. However I'll deny the facial looks thing. When you are out of shape, your face looks totally different then when you are in killer shape.
And it's not just about the six pack. Girls like the whole package. I know girls who love guys with big backs. One girl I dated loved arms and back. etc. And having strong and enduring legs can be a bonus in some situations.
You misunderstand me here. I agree, face, smile, game, body are all equally important. Being a prize is the name of the game bro. The more things you have on the checklist, the more of a prize you become.
Anyway, you got amazing results, and it is interesting how you see women who are attarcted to your body only. [/B]
They're not only attracted to my body. There are many things that come into play when you talk about attraction. But the body is one of them, and it is a bonus.