Men *created* practically everything - why then do girls give us NO credit?

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Men are the creators and innovators. We created practically everything

Yet I've noticed, girls never really think of men as being *smart.* Girls always think they are smarter and more *creative.*

In fact, this thread was made because another poster made a list of things that are masculine and feminine, and he placed 'creativity' under the feminine category. I used to have that belief too - I was brainwashed by society.

Why does society tend to think girls are the creative ones?

Why do we men not get any credit for our innovations and advancements? Again, I think it all comes back to the same main idea: 'We worship girls sexually and forget our own superior status as men.'

Check out this article

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Did you know that men themselves create the illusion that the female is equal to himself? Men themselves create the safe and convenient world in which the beasts have been slain, the roads have been cut, and she is able to get around in this world with her weakness obscured. Men create machines designed to make it easy for the female, and she drives around in them. Look out on the street any time and see the great cars and trucks, all created by men, filled with women powering around like Titans.

Who do you think invented the needle and thread? It's obvious. It's such a male invention. We used it to sew leather items for long treks on the hunt. That long, puncturing needle; that ingenious hide as a thread, is nothing if not a male creation. And sewing was a male province. But finally he passed it on to her and sewing became the province of women.

Who do you think first mastered fire, and developed the art of cooking? It was men. Who discovered and mastered the melting of ores and the creation of iron pots and pans for cooking with? It was men. And who do you think were the "Lords of the Hearth" and kitchen at first, who finally taught women the art of cooking? They passed it on to women, and cooking became "women's work." Now women laugh at the man who is an inept cook. They don't realize that men have just moved on to the next big thing.

Who do you think the intrepid ones were who first got the idea to jump on a horse, stay on it, tame it and train it? Do you think it was women? Obviously not. Then many years later, after men had mastered and tamed horses, he moved on to other things. Finally horses became the province of women. And you can go to any horse stable today and you'll see women everywhere fussing over their horses and riding them like fools.

In more recent history, who created, with the melting of ore and the making of steel, that awesome fire box called the combustion engine. Then the amazing contraption called the automobile.

Again, this was solely the province of men. Even driving them was. The cars were so difficult to operate, requiring so much muscular strength, women didn't drive cars. But the male is always trying to please his honey, and help her. He worked to create power steering and power brakes for her. He made it quieter and very easy to operate, and climb into. Then he said, "Look, honey! You can drive these things now, too." Now you look out on your street and see all kinds of slight, weak, and tender young things commandeering these great machines that her father and grandfathers have made for her.

Then along came some other men and invented something called the computer which changed the world again. And as always, the penetrating concentration and sweeping vision behind it was male energy. The entire early computer field, including programming, was completely male. Then for years at companies like Microsoft it was a dominantly male culture. And now that men have begun to tame this arcane realm and made the technology so convenient, you finally begin to see female programmers. And someday, just as before, the realm of computer programming and maintenance will be handed off by the male to the female. The men will then be off pursuing some greater thing - some new thing that is beyond the reach of the female.

The male is the God who brings down fire for woman's use. Men are also the Lords of Art, the Masters of Music, the Lords of Fashion, and the penultimate flower arrangers! Men were given mastery of this world. Yet look how much the female now mocks and discredits him. And look at his groveling weak position now before her.

How could this happen? The answer is that women only get unholy power over men when men worship her sexually; when they abandon their discipline and higher sense, and come to be controlled by lust for her. Only then does the woman take, finally, the superior position in society. Only then does the male end up on his knees as her thrall, forgetting his unique greatness as a man.
 

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Who wrote that, Trader ?
Excellent.
 

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Because the car's they drive, the bridges they cross, the tools they use for their hair, the buildings they enter, the produce they eat, has nothing to do with how they FEEL at that moment towards men. They want something they cannot have or are afraid of losing. They could give a rat's ass that you built this world. They feel that they are ENTITLED to it.
 

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Trader said:
Yet I've noticed, girls never really think of men as being *smart.* Girls always think they are smarter and more *creative.*
I'm still waiting for the female Mozart, Rembrandt, Einstein, Shakespeare, Washington, Bill Gates, Socrates, Dalai Lama, Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, Jesus, Confucious, Steven Spielberg or Homer Simpson.


Then I might be convinced they are equally smart and creative.



Cheers!
 

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Women believe that they do not have to create anything practical because they have the power to create a new life( even though their own life may be a trainwreck). They also believe that they have been appointed by God to nurture humankind, and that they are entitled to whatever they want and to be "never wrong" . Therefore they are automatically superior in all ways.

WHy should woman actually bother to "create" anything when they already have all that going on?
 

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Trader said:
Yet I've noticed, girls never really think of men as being *smart.* Girls always think they are smarter and more *creative.*
Womanspeek-
"Smart" = successful at manipulating men.
"Creative" = being able to choose just the right Hallmark card for their girlfriend's birthday.
 

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That is one fantastic article.

But let me ask you, men...

What can we do about it? We must take positive action by educating the world. Women have taken over because of male passivity and fear. When are we going to wake up and take our world back?

I am so tired of the sense of entitlement and lack of appreciation that the spoiled women of today exhibit. But who is going to do something about it? Only guys like the writer of that article.

Unfortunately, most men will read this, and say "Here, here!", and then go about their business as usual with their head hung low in deference to women.

What is it going to take for men to rise up and reclaim RESPECT?

What are YOU going to do, fellow DJ? Are you going to voice a weak agreement with this article and then go on pathetically accepting the current state of affairs, or are you going to purpose in your heart to change the world?
 

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Atom Smasher said:
What are YOU going to do, fellow DJ? Are you going to voice a weak agreement with this article and then go on pathetically accepting the current state of affairs, or are you going to purpose in your heart to change the world?
Or are you going to be a MAN, leave this philosophical and societal system to the women, and move on to the next big thing?

This is all true. But it's none of my concern at this point...nor should it be yours.
 

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Good post,Trader.

Having grown up with sisters, and been married for many years, I've come to believe that, if it wasn't for males and our drive to make things, women would still be huddled together, shivering in huts. Nothing that characterizes our civilization would have been developed.

On the other hand, would males have developed the drive and the discipline to apply themselves to settling down and developing technologies without the domestication that steady ***** (or the promise of it) demands? We males might well still be out there roaming around knocking each others' skulls around.

In the final analysis, the world as we know it is made by males and females being complimentary (duh). That said, the pendulum, especially in Western developed countries has swung way too far toward this dim-witted, female-on-top point of view. It's not likely to change, either.
 

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We see the pvssy, and become very stupid very quick, gotta have it, and thus women wield the power, at least for that one moment, that one night. Then it's back to business as usual in our world creatin everythang.
 

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Interesting topic.

Noted feminist Camille Paglia once said: If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts.



I do not say the following things to in anyway to take away from the rightful credit due any producer, but to add a perspective of the history of women in the Western world that you may want to consider....

Mozart is considered the best composer of all time, yet his sister was a child prodigy as well. Their family refused to allow her to advance in her musical studies but instead forced her to marry. Mozart consistantly asserted his sister had more talent than he did.

Einstein is considered the best scientist, yet it is Madame Curie's thesis that is considered the most revolutionary of all scientic thesis. She is credited with radically changing/revolutionizing science. And while Einstein was a genious - so was his first wife - and it is now well known within the scientific community that much of his work accomplished while with her should have been credited to her instead.

During Shakespeare's time, it was illegal for women to write, much less perform in plays. There is literary speculation his plays were written by Amelia Bassano Lanier.

Regarding the melting of ore, - melted metals were first discovered in the Copper Age - on clay pots as a decorative element - believed by archeologists to have been a primarily female endeavor. So would it automatically follow that those women are to get the real credit for the steel industry and all that men now make - simply becaus ethey are believed to be the originators?


It is my understanding that six women created the the ENIAC, the first all-programmable computer.

Here is a good read if anyone wants to know a bit more: http://www.uah.edu/colleges/liberal/womensstudies/inventor.html (It addresses primitive cultures and the history of sewing, btw...)

Please also keep in mind there are long periods of history where women were tortured, murdered and burned if they showed signs of intelligence.

Women were not allowed a college education, could not own property (think about trying to become a great inventor when you were literally not allowed to own your own pot to pee in), and on and on and on... considering this past, it is actually surprising to me that they have made the contributions they have made.

(In some parts of the world it is still illegal to teach females to read...)

anyway...

*****

What actually concerns me the most about the original post is the shaming of women who have not produced in the ways that men have traditionally produced.

Are the contributions of the traditional feminine woman to be considered irrelevant because they are not permanent?

And secondly - does the OP consider it appropriate to then ridicule men and also hold them in contempt when they live unconsciously, yet experience the advantages, of the contributions of women?
 
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LovelyLady said:
Interesting topic.
Please also keep in mind there are long periods of history where women were tortured, murdered and burned if they showed signs of intelligence.

Women were not allowed a college education, could not own property (think about trying to become a great inventor when you were literally not allowed to own your own pot to pee in), and on and on and on... considering this past, it is actually surprising to me that they have made the contributions they have made.

(In some parts of the world it is still illegal to teach females to read...)

anyway...

*****

What actually concerns me the most about the original post is the shaming of women who have not produced in the ways that men have traditionally produced.

Are the contributions of the traditional feminine woman to be considered irrelevant because they are not permanent?

And secondly - does the OP consider it appropriate to then ridicule men and also hold them in contempt when they live unconsciously, yet experience the advantages, of the contributions of women?
Thanks for the regurgitation of your "Women's Studies" re-framing of history classes.

The deeper point is that women today are trying to be equal with men, and that will never happen. Women are almost completely lacking in masculine skills, perceptions, and capabilities, and men are equally lacking in feminine traits.

The problem occurs when each of the two genders try to become what the other is. A woman attempting to be like a man and attain things on his playing field becomes a sad, bizarre & garish caricature of a man. In other words, she is no longer a woman, and she is certainly not a man. She often develops masculine body language and vocal inflection, tries to hang out with men as peers, and generally conducts herself as this hybrid thing that has abondoned its natural identity.

Leave your drivel and history re-writes somewhere else, LL. Some of us here, (except for the young, naive ones who have been schooled for years by women) recognize this crap for what it is.

Men should be proud to be men, and women should be proud to be women. Here's some REAL history for you: Except for the British empire in the 20th century, virtually every collapse of an empire was preceded by a s*xual revolution. Gender reassignment is fatal to any civilization or empire, and history shows that this is usually the vanguard of internal decay.
 

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Except for the British empire in the 20th century, virtually every collapse of an empire was preceded by a s*xual revolution.
Now, that is what I would call crazy...

Einstein is considered the best scientist, yet it is Madame Curie's thesis that is considered the most revolutionary of all scientic thesis.
That is beyond crazy...

Let's leave history aside and discuss things matters we do know about.
 

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Atom Smasher said:
Thanks for the regurgitation of your "Women's Studies" re-framing of history classes.

The deeper point is that women today are trying to be equal with men, and that will never happen. Women are almost completely lacking in masculine skills, perceptions, and capabilities, and men are equally lacking in feminine traits.

The problem occurs when each of the two genders try to become what the other is. A woman attempting to be like a man and attain things on his playing field becomes a sad, bizarre & garish caricature of a man. In other words, she is no longer a woman, and she is certainly not a man. She often develops masculine body language and vocal inflection, tries to hang out with men as peers, and generally conducts herself as this hybrid thing that has abondoned its natural identity.

Leave your drivel and history re-writes somewhere else, LL. Some of us here, (except for the young, naive ones who have been schooled for years by women) recognize this crap for what it is.

Men should be proud to be men, and women should be proud to be women. Here's some REAL history for you: Except for the British empire in the 20th century, virtually every collapse of an empire was preceded by a s*xual revolution. Gender reassignment is fatal to any civilization or empire, and history shows that this is usually the vanguard of internal decay.
Atomsmasher, at some point you may want to actually read what I said, because your response is not pertinent to the purpose or meaning of my message/what I wrote.

Oh... and I never took a Women's Studies class - my information comes from historical and archeological sources... and I can only grin when you want to hang the fall of the world's empires on gender reassignment issues. :crackup: You are too funny!
 
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Way too much woman bashing on this forum.

Trader says,

Men are the creators and innovators. We created practically everything
Really? It took me 2 minutes to pull these up:

http://www.women-inventors.com/
http://inventors.about.com/od/womeninventors/a/women_inventors.htm

I don't particulary care for the vast majority of feminist stances especially when the men bashing begins, however, the initial focus of the feminist movement being to make women aware that they are JUST AS talented as men, I SUPPORT.

We as men need to stop bashing women as weak and only capable of sex, and women need to stop bashing men as dogs and incapable of leading. We need to strike the proper balance and become partners instead of enemies, it's the only way we will save our families.

Donjuandicarlo says,

When you see a girl doing art or whatever , it consists of an imitation of what men has made available, and still no genius girl exist in any fields. Fact.

This is SOOO sexiest and is full of misogyny. MOST PEOPLE, no matter if they have a penis or a vagina, imitate and take advantage of things that the very few percentage of our citizens create. DUH. But to say women have not created anything is misinformed. Stop reading all of the misogynist type of posts around these forums and other similar forums and actually LOOK UP and research information.


Atom Smasher says,

I am so tired of the sense of entitlement and lack of appreciation that the spoiled women of today exhibit. But who is going to do something about it? Only guys like the writer of that article.
Ok, what about the spoiled and entitlement attitude of men as well? You guys keep hitting and hitting women but what about the full picture of the fact that BOTH GENDERS have these same problems?

Men are on welfare and socialist programs just as women are.

Atom Smasher says,

The deeper point is that women today are trying to be equal with men, and that will never happen. Women are almost completely lacking in masculine skills, perceptions, and capabilities, and men are equally lacking in feminine traits.

See, this is the problem and why feminism exists today. One guy says that women feel ENTITLED to everything, yet the next guy says that women can't DO ANYTHING. So then what are they supposed to do then? If they are not as "talented" as men to do basically ANYTHING of importance as you say, then that means they ought to stay home and raise the kids while YOU go out and do everything and she gets her ENTITLED food, shelter, etc.


Your argument makes no sense. Are men as a whole physically stronger, yes. Are women as a whole more better with relationships, yes. But again, the EXTREMES is what kills us. Women are just as capable of doing a job as a man is. Period. Just as a man is just as capable of doing things are are typically considered "womanly" such as form good relationships, etc. Period.
 

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True, we Both have varying testosterone levels, with men usually having the most. Successful business women usually are found to have higher testosterone levels.
 

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Interesting topic.

Noted feminist Camille Paglia once said: If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts.



I do not say the following things to in anyway to take away from the rightful credit due any producer, but to add a perspective of the history of women in the Western world that you may want to consider....

Mozart is considered the best composer of all time, yet his sister was a child prodigy as well. Their family refused to allow her to advance in her musical studies but instead forced her to marry. Mozart consistantly asserted his sister had more talent than he did.

Einstein is considered the best scientist, yet it is Madame Curie's thesis that is considered the most revolutionary of all scientic thesis. She is credited with radically changing/revolutionizing science. And while Einstein was a genious - so was his first wife - and it is now well known within the scientific community that much of his work accomplished while with her should have been credited to her instead.

During Shakespeare's time, it was illegal for women to write, much less perform in plays. There is literary speculation his plays were written by Amelia Bassano Lanier.

Regarding the melting of ore, - melted metals were first discovered in the Copper Age - on clay pots as a decorative element - believed by archeologists to have been a primarily female endeavor. So would it automatically follow that those women are to get the real credit for the steel industry and all that men now make - simply becaus ethey are believed to be the originators?


It is my understanding that six women created the the ENIAC, the first all-programmable computer.

Here is a good read if anyone wants to know a bit more: http://www.uah.edu/colleges/liberal/.../inventor.html (It addresses primitive cultures and the history of sewing, btw...)

Please also keep in mind there are long periods of history where women were tortured, murdered and burned if they showed signs of intelligence.

Women were not allowed a college education, could not own property (think about trying to become a great inventor when you were literally not allowed to own your own pot to pee in), and on and on and on... considering this past, it is actually surprising to me that they have made the contributions they have made.

(In some parts of the world it is still illegal to teach females to read...)

anyway...

*****

What actually concerns me the most about the original post is the shaming of women who have not produced in the ways that men have traditionally produced.

Are the contributions of the traditional feminine woman to be considered irrelevant because they are not permanent?

And secondly - does the OP consider it appropriate to then ridicule men and also hold them in contempt when they live unconsciously, yet experience the advantages, of the contributions of women?


Of course we are forgetting that men "steal" ideas from women. They "steal". Look at Watson and Crick who "stole" from Rosalind Franklin. Speaking of the ENIAC there are two evil men who are credited for it's invention but some superior being (a woman) discovered this was not so. Charles Babbage couldn't program on his own invention so he needed assistance from a woman. For every great male contributor there has had to be a superior ugh... I mean't "equal". Women were so oppressed and so discredited from creations and innovations that the ape-ish male forget to cover all his tracks. :rolleyes:
 

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This was good!
:up:
Atom Smasher said:
That is one fantastic article.

But let me ask you, men...

What can we do about it? We must take positive action by educating the world. Women have taken over because of male passivity and fear. When are we going to wake up and take our world back?

I am so tired of the sense of entitlement and lack of appreciation that the spoiled women of today exhibit. But who is going to do something about it? Only guys like the writer of that article.

Unfortunately, most men will read this, and say "Here, here!", and then go about their business as usual with their head hung low in deference to women.

What is it going to take for men to rise up and reclaim RESPECT?

What are YOU going to do, fellow DJ? Are you going to voice a weak agreement with this article and then go on pathetically accepting the current state of affairs, or are you going to purpose in your heart to change the world?



This was bad!:down:
Atom Smasher said:
Thanks for the regurgitation of your "Women's Studies" re-framing of history classes

Leave your drivel and history re-writes somewhere else, LL. Some of us here, (except for the young, naive ones who have been schooled for years by women) recognize this crap for what it is.
This was good!
:up:
Atom Smasher said:
The problem occurs when each of the two genders try to become what the other is. A woman attempting to be like a man and attain things on his playing field becomes a sad, bizarre & garish caricature of a man. In other words, she is no longer a woman, and she is certainly not a man. She often develops masculine body language and vocal inflection, tries to hang out with men as peers, and generally conducts herself as this hybrid thing that has abondoned its natural identity..
This was bad!:down:
Atom Smasher said:
Women are almost completely lacking in masculine skills, perceptions, and capabilities, and men are equally lacking in feminine traits.
All men and women have 'femenine' and 'masculine' traits.

The issue is HOW they seek to manifest it in themselves. And sometimes how they DONT wish to manifest it too. ie Men choosing to not be masculine, and women choosing to not be femenine
Men can be tender and gentle, but not have to be 'girlie'.
And women can be independent and 'logical' and still be ladylike.
But most people have difficulties with the lack of grace in displaying these traits.


Lets not go overboard with the 'passion' in our arguments and opinions.

:)
 

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Trader says said:
Men are the creators and innovators. We created practically everything
The Message Boy said:
Way too much woman bashing on this forum.



Really? It took me 2 minutes to pull these up:

http://www.women-inventors.com/
http://inventors.about.com/od/womeninventors/a/women_inventors.htm
First off, of course there are women inventors. But in general, if you look at technological innovations, the vast majority have been founded by men. Your exceptions that you looked up, prove the rule.

The fact that men made *practically* all of the creative and technological contributions to society, how is that women bashing? Why are you so sensitive to giving credit to men?

Women excel not in the realm of *creative ideas* but in the realm of *creating life* as in childbirth and nuturing.

I give women credit for that. Society definitely acknowledges that, take a look at how sales for Mothers Day outstrip those for Father's Day.

No one is denying that women are the key contributors, specifically in the nuturing and development of families.

And almost all men give women credit in that area.

My point is that when it comes to the contributions MEN have made, society and women do not give men any credit. Women are rather *ungrateful* for all men have done for them, in fact, they have taken it for granted.

Think about the attitude of some women: 'Women don't even need men, if men didn't exist, the world would be such a better place.'

Don't women realize we would be still living in the stone age?

All I'm saying is: 'give props when props is due'

What's funny is that in this thread, it now becomes clear that even some MEN, don't give other men enough credit for their contributions.

So again I ask: 'Why do women get props for what they excel at (nuturing, raising families) but men tend to not get credit for everything they have done?'

Some say: 'Well it is just in woman's nature to feel entitled and ungrateful.'

I think it is something more subtler than that. Looking at my parents and their generation, I see how grateful my Mom was for everything that my Dad did.

Girls back then seemed to know that, without men to rely on, things would 'go crazy' - for lack of a better term.

So what is it that made girls feel *superior* to men and dismiss the contributions of men? I still think it comes back down to the worship of the female body.

Girls do see how men created and innovated, but they also see how men sacrifice their self-respect and individuality to worship girls. How could they not begin to think of themselves as superior and *take for granted* everything men have done?
 
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