"Men checking out of society because of..."
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That looks so cowardly. They basically receded in life and gave up. As a man, you shouldn't be looking to a woman asking her what she wants of you. You should look to yourself and ask yourself what you want of you.
Anyone that doesn't like it can go f*ck themselves. You have to learn in life that not everyone will be attracted to you if you pander to them but you sure will get a lot of respect and maybe even a few admirers or people who are attraced to you because you are your own man.
Anyone that doesn't like it can go f*ck themselves. You have to learn in life that not everyone will be attracted to you if you pander to them but you sure will get a lot of respect and maybe even a few admirers or people who are attraced to you because you are your own man.
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Yup agree with el payaso, one of the most pathetic articles ive ever read.
Sadly this is par for the course for much of the manosphere - men who have supposedly embraced the "red pill" yet have no balls and sit around whining about being a victim to society and evil hypergamous women.
What a bunch of pvssies, no wonder they aren't getting laid.
Sadly this is par for the course for much of the manosphere - men who have supposedly embraced the "red pill" yet have no balls and sit around whining about being a victim to society and evil hypergamous women.
What a bunch of pvssies, no wonder they aren't getting laid.
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yes but remember, when you even looking at the girls legs you can be called a perv or a guy who no girl can get close, and you don't have the extreme good looks and money to girls want this from you, you are ****ed. also remember we as guys we like to do things who make sense, we do things for a reason, why marry and go out of your way for woman if they don't do the same? even worse if you do th woman can destroy everything you did jsut because she feels like it? and I don't doubt most of this guys today saw they father suffer from this, so again what benefit we have in doing so?
and note too the fear is not the if she like me or not, is if I will have to deal with this society presure and shame,
should all men don't care? yes they don't, but you growth up in place when everyone says the more important thing in life is fame, having fame you will have money, good looks, and power. that is what media teach, that is what all children see, and that is why people who almost have nothing to eat spend a load on fashion clothes too look good(or at least try), and you can see this too, msotly what we do here is learn how to deal with woman, but also improve our life, and the main thing to improve your life is no need for females, they should never be the focus, and some guys don't care enough to go out of they way, for what reason they would anyway? there is no reward for building a empire if you are sure it will be taken from you, there is no reason to build a life with a woman, if she can destroy it and for no reason, and then leaves with everything you had leaving you with nothing.
what is hapening now is just the effect.
Gynoculture blares out through a megaphone for 40 years, "Idonneedaman, donneedaman, donneedaman, inthepenthent! inthepenthent! Empowered! Empowered!"jurry said:
Crickets chirp while healthy cultural institutions and gender relations burn to the ground, marriage rate plummets, single parenthood and divorce rate explode.
2014, a few backwater netblogs start talking about some men... somewhere out there... saying the exact same thing?
SACRILEGE! PUSSIES! LOSERS! Where have all the cowboys gone? Where have all the good men gone? The ones who do what WE want them to?
Double standard... deafening. Hypocrisy... tangible.
Except that Im not supporting the opposite side either, nice try at an argument though.
Most women dont support the feminist movement for the same reason, as the article states. One extreme hates men, the other hates women. The concept of grey is lost on both.
Most women dont support the feminist movement for the same reason, as the article states. One extreme hates men, the other hates women. The concept of grey is lost on both.
Vulpine
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You know, after reading that, I got chills from the mouse experiment part.
I didn't think of it as such, but, apparently I am one who has taken part in the "Sexodus".
Not so much because of women, but, because of the culture and society. After much disappointment with women, I decided to pursue my goals despite them. Not "because" of them, not necessarily "with" or "without" them, but DESPITE them.
I resigned myself to doing what I want regardless of potential for women in my life. I slept in my car for five years, saved up for a homestead, and rock it in the boonies now. I had been fully prepared to do it alone, with very limited dating potential, forever.
Fortunately, a chick found out what I was doing before made my escape and bought a ticket for the ride. So, it turns out that I didn't go it alone.
However, there are glaring similarities of that mouse study. :nervous: I went full metro at one point, was all about video games, was motivated to not give a damn about a family future, all that they describe...
These days I have the longest beard I've ever had, and as I type this, am sporting... oops, hold on, the coffee is perking on the wood stove...
...ok, sorry, can't let that boil too hard, tastes "burnt" otherwise. Anyway, I've got 3-day bed-head hair. I'm pretty far from "metro" anymore. But, I sent my gal off to work this morning with a few O's and a finishing-move-in-the-mouth. On her way out the door, I let her know that I'd likely be up on the hill hunting when she got home. Flawless Victory!
I think the "dropout of society" guys have it right, but don't direct their energies in the right directions. If, instead of video games, guys started to regain homesteading skills, or built/made something, we'd see a huge cultural shift to a more healthy society overall. Video games are a pass-time, and pass it away we do. If we had other productive hobbies, we'd get something accomplished. As it is, we have armies of dudes on their butts complaining instead of doing.
If you've ever seen "Cool Hand Luke", you'll get it when I say: "Sometimes nothing is a pretty cool hand." When you see guys playing their hands better, women would have no option to be as they are now. "This is the way they want it, so, they get it." For every dude that drops out, one chick is left without a cack on the carousel when the music stops.
So, keep on dropping out, guys. Just, find something else constructive to do besides play video games. Collectively, we vote and otherwise can affect change, even if only in our own lives.
By the way, Facebook and online dating are video games for women. I will validate no rebuttal on the matter.
I didn't think of it as such, but, apparently I am one who has taken part in the "Sexodus".
Not so much because of women, but, because of the culture and society. After much disappointment with women, I decided to pursue my goals despite them. Not "because" of them, not necessarily "with" or "without" them, but DESPITE them.
I resigned myself to doing what I want regardless of potential for women in my life. I slept in my car for five years, saved up for a homestead, and rock it in the boonies now. I had been fully prepared to do it alone, with very limited dating potential, forever.
Fortunately, a chick found out what I was doing before made my escape and bought a ticket for the ride. So, it turns out that I didn't go it alone.
However, there are glaring similarities of that mouse study. :nervous: I went full metro at one point, was all about video games, was motivated to not give a damn about a family future, all that they describe...
These days I have the longest beard I've ever had, and as I type this, am sporting... oops, hold on, the coffee is perking on the wood stove...
...ok, sorry, can't let that boil too hard, tastes "burnt" otherwise. Anyway, I've got 3-day bed-head hair. I'm pretty far from "metro" anymore. But, I sent my gal off to work this morning with a few O's and a finishing-move-in-the-mouth. On her way out the door, I let her know that I'd likely be up on the hill hunting when she got home. Flawless Victory!
I think the "dropout of society" guys have it right, but don't direct their energies in the right directions. If, instead of video games, guys started to regain homesteading skills, or built/made something, we'd see a huge cultural shift to a more healthy society overall. Video games are a pass-time, and pass it away we do. If we had other productive hobbies, we'd get something accomplished. As it is, we have armies of dudes on their butts complaining instead of doing.
If you've ever seen "Cool Hand Luke", you'll get it when I say: "Sometimes nothing is a pretty cool hand." When you see guys playing their hands better, women would have no option to be as they are now. "This is the way they want it, so, they get it." For every dude that drops out, one chick is left without a cack on the carousel when the music stops.
So, keep on dropping out, guys. Just, find something else constructive to do besides play video games. Collectively, we vote and otherwise can affect change, even if only in our own lives.
By the way, Facebook and online dating are video games for women. I will validate no rebuttal on the matter.
Skyline
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Honestly I can relate to the guys "withdrawing cowardly." When I was going through puberty, which is probably starting to end now, I was confused with girls as all hell. My mom or sisters didn't really teach me anything about girls so I had to pay attention to other sources that just "made sense" to me. These sources were anything from copying T.V shows, movies, youtube videos, google questions, and friends experiences/perspectives. All of them said the same things too so it must be right? After all, it is logical to give a girl "x" and she would give you "x" in return right? Not sure if it's just my generation or it's part of yours too but that's just what I was told and saw on media etc...El Payaso said:
If it weren't for this forum and my willingness to learn something new I would probably be in that same "Withdrawn boat."
This sticks out to me the most from that article an is completely true in my case:
"For the past, at least, 25 years, I've been told to do more and more to keep a woman. But nobody's told me what they're doing to keep me."
On top of not being told of what SHE should do, I was not told what to do if she did not do X or how to react. Remember, guys BELIEVE in this nice guy stuff so if that doesn't work why would they go to the "misogynist" forums for self help? The average guy won't do that. The guys that are currently engaged in this forum aren't your average guys, especially the ones who follow the DJ bibles philosophies which pretty much void today's typical norm. No media outlet tells you to focus on yourself and improve or to control your ego.. All they tell you is to find someone to "fill that void" or to "love yourself for you" and it's actually pretty sad since it pretty much goes the same for women too. So if the stuff you learned from society doesn't work on today's women and the help articles/forums/books for men are labeled as "women hating" what do you do? You sort of withdraw... Kind of stop doing what you don't know and what hurts you... You go your own way.
... Only sometimes it's the wrong way.
I'm not advocating this, but I can see why some men would rather masturbate to porn than deal with women.
Over 50% of the guys on here have negative things to say about women, such as flaking, sh*t testing, attention wh0ring, BPD, game playing, sluts, etc.
I think it's up to the person to do what they want to do. If they want to deal with women, be prepared to deal with all of the negatives that come along with it. If they want to jack off in their room, be prepared to be lonely and suffer.
Over 50% of the guys on here have negative things to say about women, such as flaking, sh*t testing, attention wh0ring, BPD, game playing, sluts, etc.
I think it's up to the person to do what they want to do. If they want to deal with women, be prepared to deal with all of the negatives that come along with it. If they want to jack off in their room, be prepared to be lonely and suffer.
sharkbeat
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Just a few days ago, I came across some interview on TV about some movie. I am not sure if that movie will be released, or have been released. It's a movie about a woman, all by herself, in the wild, suffering some physical and/or mental breakdown, and able to find herself again. The interview, or the discussion, which mostly consist of women, championing this movie. One participant said that "she did all this without men"
Western society rewards single achievers, individual achievers. If it's a man, he's smart. If it's a woman, she's strong. As if all men are dumb and that his intelligence is what sets him apart, and all women are weak, and her strength is what sets her apart.
Either way, they become pillars of society, heroes who set out the paths for others. We don't champion family lives. We don't celebrate familyhood. We frown upon family with lots of kids. We avoid having kids, all for a good reason: expensive, overpopulation, and it is not rewarding. Why should you be having kids? Cost of living increases, your life changes, and any benefit to you? As a man, especially, getting a divorce meaning your kids will be taken away. There goes everything that you have worked for.
Men become disposable and disregarded. Praised not for their sincerity, but for their dishonesty. Praised not for their virtue, but for their brutality. Society has gone downhill when we reward men with criminal background as the "alphas". Do you know how they treat criminals in poor countries? Women stay the f-uck away from them. Dating criminals mean you won't have kids, or even if you do, your kids won't survive.
What about in the Good Ol' Country of America. Ah, don't worry about that, we have welfare. The government will take care of the kids. That's not all, feminists seem to be pushing for more support from the government including tampons and all feminine needs. Sooner or later, women don't have to do **** to survive. Pop one kid, you are good for life. Men? Eh, if they survive, great, if they don't, nobody notice.
Western society rewards single achievers, individual achievers. If it's a man, he's smart. If it's a woman, she's strong. As if all men are dumb and that his intelligence is what sets him apart, and all women are weak, and her strength is what sets her apart.
Either way, they become pillars of society, heroes who set out the paths for others. We don't champion family lives. We don't celebrate familyhood. We frown upon family with lots of kids. We avoid having kids, all for a good reason: expensive, overpopulation, and it is not rewarding. Why should you be having kids? Cost of living increases, your life changes, and any benefit to you? As a man, especially, getting a divorce meaning your kids will be taken away. There goes everything that you have worked for.
Men become disposable and disregarded. Praised not for their sincerity, but for their dishonesty. Praised not for their virtue, but for their brutality. Society has gone downhill when we reward men with criminal background as the "alphas". Do you know how they treat criminals in poor countries? Women stay the f-uck away from them. Dating criminals mean you won't have kids, or even if you do, your kids won't survive.
What about in the Good Ol' Country of America. Ah, don't worry about that, we have welfare. The government will take care of the kids. That's not all, feminists seem to be pushing for more support from the government including tampons and all feminine needs. Sooner or later, women don't have to do **** to survive. Pop one kid, you are good for life. Men? Eh, if they survive, great, if they don't, nobody notice.
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This is the Masturbation Generation, for sure, but let's get down to the psychological nitty gritty of our decline. We Used to have a religion called Protestantism, before that Catholicism. These 2 religions would either Hang or Burn Alive all heretics, respectively. That means, all non-Protestants or non-Catholics, respectively. Ok, Saint Paul said that it would "be better to marry than to burn." Ok, um, this Sex = Evil thing was ALL Paul's shoving on people. Jesus NEVER said these things. Jesus was for Do on to others as you would have done onto yourself, but He was Also for being Good to Yourself as well. Paul, a mere 100 years later, had already taken and warped Christ's message and was all about enduring the worst self-torture you could possibly endure and basically Suiciding yourself, your family, your heritage. It is sooo ridiculous and obvious, that no one even notices it today. All this Women should be "chaste" or they will BURN ALIVE is utter nonsense. Well, two thousand Years of this ideology (words to live by and not LOYALTY to one's family or one's Man/Woman) has fvcked over men and women's relations in the realm of getting together and creating babies as they should. This Guilt imposed by the religion of Paul is derived from the same perverted Zoastrianism a 1000 years before Paul's time. Zoastrianism initially was about the God of This world being Evil or The Devil and the God of the afterlife, the God of Good and Righteousness being what every man on Earth should be fighting for. It was a positive religion to grow one's family to move forward, to progress, but as with all Ideologies, they get perverted, especially by war, eventually Zoastrianism became just the opposite and Suicide was the Ideal way of living, that Humans were naturally evil and shouldn't have the right to live or reproduce. This is where Paul's perverted teachings come from. It's like giving someone a 21 gun salute who decides to come aboard a ship (because if he doesn't then he'll "burn")...not exactly a rousing applause for marriage now is it? You'll Burn, if you do not get married?? Oh, wow, better get married so I don't burn. Ridiculous ideology, but Many of the power establishment here in America (those in Congress, in the workplace) Believe this garbage, this Sex = Evil, as supposedly taught by Christ (NO! it was taught by Paul). Christ never said that we should not be good to ourselves.
So this psychology, this imprint upon generations, has left us the most warped society to date. The most Anti-family society where sex is considered evil, as well as the human race, as well as reproducing the human race. Even DOGS, cats, and other animals are treated better than many humans.
Guilt is used to play us, over and over again, because we have the capacity to feel guilty. We see further into the future and can ask the question "Is life worth living?" An animal NEVER asks this question, and just lives WITH nature. We live in opposition to nature.
Today, our religion is "Political Correctness" while we may not get Burned Alive or Hanged for saying the wrong thing (heretics as they were called), you still can lose your job or get outcast, shunned, even jailed, for saying the wrong thing, the non-political correct thing, today's heretics. Nothing is ever new, and it's ALL political. That's the power, and currenty we don't have the power, as men, but it will change, as this ridiculousness gets tired and worn, and they look sillier and sillier. A new power will move in to the power gap vacancy, and change, the shift, will be swift.
So this psychology, this imprint upon generations, has left us the most warped society to date. The most Anti-family society where sex is considered evil, as well as the human race, as well as reproducing the human race. Even DOGS, cats, and other animals are treated better than many humans.
Guilt is used to play us, over and over again, because we have the capacity to feel guilty. We see further into the future and can ask the question "Is life worth living?" An animal NEVER asks this question, and just lives WITH nature. We live in opposition to nature.
Today, our religion is "Political Correctness" while we may not get Burned Alive or Hanged for saying the wrong thing (heretics as they were called), you still can lose your job or get outcast, shunned, even jailed, for saying the wrong thing, the non-political correct thing, today's heretics. Nothing is ever new, and it's ALL political. That's the power, and currenty we don't have the power, as men, but it will change, as this ridiculousness gets tired and worn, and they look sillier and sillier. A new power will move in to the power gap vacancy, and change, the shift, will be swift.
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:crackup: @ jurry who never fails to let her mask slip and continually show her anger at these articles.
WHAT!!! Men refusing to feed the cathedral !! Only producing enough to feed their porn and corn syrup consumption !!! We'll just see about this !! :box:
I got a tenner that says jurry's fugly and on welfare. Nobody hot and actually working would get this pissed off over men dropping out and or keeping their own money. Hot chicks are instinctively aware high value men will take care of them. They don't spend all their time trying to corral men (the producers) back to the reservation.
WHAT!!! Men refusing to feed the cathedral !! Only producing enough to feed their porn and corn syrup consumption !!! We'll just see about this !! :box:
I got a tenner that says jurry's fugly and on welfare. Nobody hot and actually working would get this pissed off over men dropping out and or keeping their own money. Hot chicks are instinctively aware high value men will take care of them. They don't spend all their time trying to corral men (the producers) back to the reservation.
Bible_Belt
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I'm not a Paul fan, either. But I think he was taken out of context. The anti-sex verses are mostly in Corinthians I & II, which were letters to the church of Corinth. He was trying to persuade them from going to the pagan fvck-fest orgies that were popular there. That was how a lot of competing religions operated - give us your money and we'll get you some pvssy, either from pagan ritual orgies or from temple priestess prostitutes.Poonani Maker said:
The hypocrisy of accusing someone else of shaming men, and then shaming that man with an insult because he has a negative opinion on a sh!te article.LMFAO said:
That defeatist article is pathetic as hell, and really not surprising consider the site it comes from.
This.El Payaso said:
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I understand the reasoning for men wanting to drop out of society and women. It's all stacked against them. However, retracting yourself from the world isn't going to help you with developing real-world skills. You cannot gain any kind of success in the world by playing video games and masturbating.
Instead of dropping out of society and women, we need to adapt to the circumstances that we've been put in. If marriage is a no-win for us, then we should just avoid marriage instead of avoiding women. If women are running this world, then we need to learn how to seduce them without sleeping with them in order to gain what they perceive as "respect".
The key word is to ADAPT to our environment. Learn the loopholes and exploit them for your own benefit. Find the things you can do legally to protect yourself. Also, don't be afraid to stand up for yourself and make noise when necessary. Be a SURVIVOR, not a casualty.
Instead of dropping out of society and women, we need to adapt to the circumstances that we've been put in. If marriage is a no-win for us, then we should just avoid marriage instead of avoiding women. If women are running this world, then we need to learn how to seduce them without sleeping with them in order to gain what they perceive as "respect".
The key word is to ADAPT to our environment. Learn the loopholes and exploit them for your own benefit. Find the things you can do legally to protect yourself. Also, don't be afraid to stand up for yourself and make noise when necessary. Be a SURVIVOR, not a casualty.
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A half decent piece, if a little verbose; alas, not exactly ground-breaking.
Pop-psychology is all the rage. Unfortunately, all the classical papers are gathering dust in the archives while all these 'academic' pseuds and keyboard jockeys fall over themselves and each other attempting to reinvent the wheels of conditioning and evolutionary psychology.
In summary of the article: reproductive competition is still as alive and kicking as it has been for hundreds of thousands if not millions of years.
How. F*cking. Profound.
Pop-psychology is all the rage. Unfortunately, all the classical papers are gathering dust in the archives while all these 'academic' pseuds and keyboard jockeys fall over themselves and each other attempting to reinvent the wheels of conditioning and evolutionary psychology.
In summary of the article: reproductive competition is still as alive and kicking as it has been for hundreds of thousands if not millions of years.
How. F*cking. Profound.
