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PairPlusRoyalFlush said:
Now, the criticisms in the first few paragraphs are valid, and significant to men who want monogamy but cant have it. Those people probably need to withdraw.
I don't agree that they should withdraw. I think they need to date more, experience more, learn more, and do more self-improvement. You want companionship? Get some female friends and a pet. You want sex? Learn how to pick up and seduce women. You want children? Adopt or find a surrogate mother. All this stuff is available out there. Make use of it to satisfy your male needs. Law, society, and women cannot provide you with your needs, at least not this day in age. You need to go out and find your own solutions to satisfy those needs.
 

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Men will do what they think is best for them.

But many of these guys should not feel that they are getting "revenge" on women because many of them are guys that women WANT to be on the sidelines. As cynical as it sounds, I genuinely believe that women want a certain percentage of men to give up or withdraw. They want to "cull the herd" so to speak leaving only the good looking and/or wealthy guys on the market.

Women will not be affected by this until significant numbers of attractive men give up on relationships or marriage.
 

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Danger said:
Of course you support one "side". That is blatantly evident when you say false rape convictions are "statistically insignificant" but refuse to say the same about proven rape DESPITE BOTH occurring with relatively the same rates.

Your position is loud and clear.
Yea danger you're right. Except for the part where i never said that and you just lack basic reading comprehension skills.

danger said:
but when you are literally faced with an entire society with value systems aimed at destroying you, one of the options to strongly consider is withdrawing your support of that society
Whereas people who value evidence and reality based thinking might point to a political system and legislation that is completely bought and paid for by corporations and the richest of the rich, making it impossible to find good work, get healthcare, afford a family etc. you and the red pillers are basing these kinds of statements on the rise of women and a miniscule percentage of unfair court cases.

Bizarre thinking.
 

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Desdinova said:
I understand the reasoning for men wanting to drop out of society and women. It's all stacked against them. However, retracting yourself from the world isn't going to help you with developing real-world skills. You cannot gain any kind of success in the world by playing video games and masturbating.

Instead of dropping out of society and women, we need to adapt to the circumstances that we've been put in. If marriage is a no-win for us, then we should just avoid marriage instead of avoiding women. If women are running this world, then we need to learn how to seduce them without sleeping with them in order to gain what they perceive as "respect".

The key word is to ADAPT to our environment. Learn the loopholes and exploit them for your own benefit. Find the things you can do legally to protect yourself. Also, don't be afraid to stand up for yourself and make noise when necessary. Be a SURVIVOR, not a casualty.
I've already told my parents to never expect me to get married lol.
 

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Danger said:
Oh? Are you willing to now state that rape is statistically insignificant? I will patiently wait for you to post that. If you are still unable to post it, then your position remains loud and clear.

Are you now willing to go back and read the 10 times I already stated how they are both significant (and yet both STATISTICALLY insignificant in the context of men dating) in our last thread?


I don't disagree with the above about the system being bought. I think the socialist answer is the wrong answer though, it only serves to break the system from the other side.

Im not interested in vague references to "socialist answers" that you predetermine other people believe, be specific if you're going to make that kind of comment.

Women and misandry are an entirely separate discussion though, which of course you don't care because your intent was to evade and move to another topic.
It is a separate discussion which we have already exhausted, the result being that you cannot provide any evidence that we have an "entire society aimed at destroying" men through a misandric court system and evil women. We have tiny minorities of unfair incidents that 99% of men will never have to deal with.

Im at least presenting you with something that fits the bill of destroying an entire society, although we may disagree on the solution.
 

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Men will do what they think is best for them.

But many of these guys should not feel that they are getting "revenge" on women because many of them are guys that women WANT to be on the sidelines. As cynical as it sounds, I genuinely believe that women want a certain percentage of men to give up or withdraw. They want to "cull the herd" so to speak leaving only the good looking and/or wealthy guys on the market.

Women will not be affected by this until significant numbers of attractive men give up on relationships or marriage.
I agree with this, women dont really care about the majority of men except as back up plan, actually I believe they subconsciously dont register average men as "men" but more like as drones.

The fat ugly girl of the class doesnt care if the fat ugly guy of the class is not going to their school meeting.

They would rather be 20 women and only the top 5 guys for that drinking evening even if that means that the ratio will not be in their favour.
 

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Who Dares Win said:
They would rather be 20 women and only the top 5 guys for that drinking evening even if that means that the ratio will not be in their favour.
True. Women don't really worry about male/female ratios like men do. Women put quality way ahead of quantity. I always hear my guy friends ask, "How's the ratio at XYZ place?" However, I have NEVER heard a female ask that question lol.

Most of the time, at bars/clubs/parties/meetups/dances, etc., men outnumber women. So in theory, every female there COULD find a guy. But they don't because many of the guys aren't even considered.
 

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This sticks out to me the most from that article an is completely true in my case:

"For the past, at least, 25 years, I've been told to do more and more to keep a woman. But nobody's told me what they're doing to keep me."
I'm glad that line grabbed someone else's attention, too. Spoken like a truley entitled millenial robot drone awaiting further programming.
:rolleyes:
The sentence structure itself just screams "victim".
This sentence sums up dynamics which underly a variety of influences in a man's life.

"For the past, at least, 25 years, I've been told I'm lucky to have a job. But nobody's told me they are lucky to have me working there."

"...I've been told to do more and more to get a raise. But nobody's told me I'll actually be getting a cost-of-living increase."

"...I've been told to PAY more and more TAXES. But nobody's told me what they're doing to keep me PAYING TAXES."

"...I've been told to do more and more to make minorities "equal". But nobody's told me that I'm the minority."

"...I've been told to do more and more to keep up with technology. But nobody's told me why I should throw away something that works for something that's newer."

"...I've been told to vote republican or democrat. But nobody's running that I actually want to vote for."

"...I've been told to go to college, get a good job, get married, and have kids. But nobody's talking about how overpopulation makes that path the least intelligent one."

"...I've been told to hold doors open for ladies. But there aren't any ladies [wearing whale-bone corsets, hoops skirts, or even heels; much less offering a thank-you]."

"...I've been told to do more and more. But nobody's told me what's in it for me."

At some point, when the ridiculousness of our daily routines becomes obvious, there is motivation for change. There has to be some sort of "chipping away at the prison wall", if even with only a spoon. Instead of taking those tiny chips out, and watching the cumulative results over time, guys don't have the foresight. Had a guy been chipping away, he would be sitting in a pile of concrete bits, staring at a hole in the prison wall. Instead, he's looking at a screen, next to a pile of cable, electricity, and credit card bills. "There is no spoon" has a different meaning for blue-pill types.

Why don't people think past two chess moves out? I mean, it blows guys' minds if you explain the investment versus the reward. It's like there was never an option to do anything else with their time. Nope. Everyone MUST pay for a tv, a video game console, and video games. And, since everyone MUST have those things, then you MUST get the fastest internet, the fastest computer upgrades, and you need to use electricity. You MUST pay sh¡tloads of money to waste a sh¡tload of your time and have a sh¡tload of nothing besides obsolete-the-next-day land-fill fodder, burnt coal, and potentially a high score.

Now, stop, and take another look at that video game microcosm. When you see it as a mini-model of the bigger system, that's when the unplugging from that matrix begins. "Wait. All the american jobs are going overseas? Who is paying taxes in that void? Where are the cost-of-living dollars coming from, then? How can the supply/demand not jack up prices of everything? How is it, that, the harder I work, the harder I need to work, in order to simply keep working? And, how could I ever become 'successful' if the means to my success is taken away? I keep playing and playing this game, but instead of getting better, my scores keep getting lower? Why do I play this game?"

Like "Jurgis", from Upton Sinclair's The Jungle, every adversity is met with "I must work harder". We automatically jump to "I need more money" as the be-all-end-all fix. If we thought beyond two chess moves out, we'd see beyond "make more money to have more stuff". Instead of earning more money, with jobs that aren't there, to buy sh¡t we don't need, to attract women we don't want, guys are jumping off that treadmill.
And look, the unemployment numbers are dropping! Look everyone! Numbers! Look over here! Don't think! Wait for somebody to "tell you" what to think. Don't see that people are unplugging from the matrix: that's bad, you know. Don't believe me? I'll tell you again, on another channel, then: that's bad. People aren't giving up, they're getting jobs! See! Numbers! Graphs!
I... believe...
*square eyeballs, drooling*

It couldn't possibly have anything to do with people's unemployment benefits running out with still no job to be found, or just plain ol' not bothering.

Psst... Psst! there are more benefits to being unemployed than just a government hand out. Shhh... don't tell anyone.

"For the past, at least, 25 years, I've been told to do more and more to keep a woman. But nobody's told me what they're doing to keep me."

This guy is upset because nobody's just handed him a winning lottery ticket? Nobody simply gave him the answer to how he should run his life? :cry:
Like I said, a millenial drone. "Awaiting next commands." Well done, media and marketing.
Koch Brothers said:
Thanks; you're pumping out perfect consumers, trained exactly to our corporate guidelines. So, we'll still contribute to your campaign. But, times are tough you know, so'll we'll be contributing less. Sorry, but maybe you should consider giving yourself a pay raise using those school funds to pick-up-the-slack in your greed.
After 25 years, would you say "thinking" is something the author is good at? Well, as close as he might be to reasoning it completely through, odds are, he's staying very much checked-in to society. He'll likely over-ride his personal conclusions with the group-think in order to remain hooked up to his lifeline: an ever-dwindling IV drip of money. "PLEASE, NURSE! SOMEBODY! TURN UP THE DRIP! IT HURTS!!! ...WAIT, NO!!! PLEASE!! DON'T TURN IT DOWN AGAIN!!! AAAAAAAARRGGH!!!"

Some eventually see the efforts, and the returns, and come to the knowledge that a great deal of other, more valuable things, are sacrificed in order to lie in that bed of anguish that is the working poor. Which, clearly, is being made bigger such that we can all lie in it. Sure, folks can hope that there is a way to achieve or overcome. But that's all there is to that "work hard and find a way": hope. Remember Jurgis? Work harder, that's the only answer. When everyone is working harder to find ways, how many of those people achieve that magical nirvana? You may find more resources to afford comfort (LESS anguish), but do you afford more leisure or happiness (NO anguish)?

When society is structured such that all happiness revolves around the high-score of the video game that is a fiat currency, and that means to happiness is choked off, you bet some folks are going to drop out of that society. It's only two chess moves to think past: happiness? Fiat currency? So, let me get this straight: I'm basing my well being on whatever value others have of a dollar? I'm basing my well being on group-think? On a mass delusion?
:nervous:

There has come a point in time where the balance has tipped. Whereas once Americans were able to work hard and get a leg up, now there is only work hard and never be ahead. The definition of insanity? To persist is crazy.

The S.S. America is a slave ship. You're down below deck, manning an oar, getting five minute breaks to shove a Big Mac and Fries down your neck. Then back at it, or face the whip. Push hard, and pull hard too, or you'll get the whip.
You: "Hey, wait.... Where are we going?"
Overseer: "The S.S. America is going to get more slaves, of course."
*whip cracks over your back*
You: "But, don't we have better technology?"
Overseer: "Sure, but this is working fine for us. You're lucky to have a job: Women, Mexicans and Chinese are lined up by the millions to take your spot."
*whip cracks over your back*
You: "To take my spot as a slave?"
Overseer: "We don't tell them that, we tell them that this is the 'land of opportunity'."
You: "That's what I was told, too."
*whip cracks*

At some point, any slave would dream of jumping ship and using their remaining energy to swim to shore rather than contribute to getting more slaves. Fight or flight? Get violent and take those risks, or, take the risk of dead-man-floating on the current to a potentially better future? So, the question becomes: "Do I keep going for the dangling carrot? Or, do I get a bird in my hand, instead of nothing in my hand?"

*SplasH*
I chipped away at my shackles, waited for land in sight, then jumped. Three chess moves.

When I get older, and eventually sick, am I going to pay to have more imaginary units extorted from me, only to keep me "healthy enough to keep paying"? Or, do I give those units to my survivors and die when it's my time? That's the place society has us at. How much can you afford to live? Pay or die. You have to exchange imaginary currency units for your health. If you don't offer those units up, the overseers will come and take them at gunpoint, or you die. Some society.:rolleyes: Why would anyone want to be part of that?

We already have the technology for a better life for all of us: we've had it for a long time. We just volunteer for crappy lives. Don't see the issue as "checking out of society", see it as jumping off the slaveship we volunteered for. ...or, keep pumping away at those oars and try not to think at all.

I would say that it's more cowardly to stay in this society of women than to check out.
 

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Vulpine there are some potentially good points in there if you could put down the crack pipe for 20 minutes to form a linear, coherent post.

Unfortunately your last sentence makes me believe you - like the author of the article - view women as some opposition force and that they are not in the same broken economy you are.

There are plenty of women who have or want to check out of this consumer, debt driven, monopolistic, corrupt slave world just like you do - it is not a male only problem.
 

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jurry said:
put down the crack pipe for 20 minutes to form a linear, coherent post.
Take your ritalin.
 

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jurry said:
This message is hidden because jurry is on your ignore list.
Whatever your comeback was, it was foreseen.

Three chess moves:

click on name
click on view profile
click on add user to ignore list

Game over.
 

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Ah, the 'cover your ears and yell', toddler discussion style.

Novel.
 

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jurry said:
This message is hidden because jurry is on your ignore list.
I know. I checked out of your society, no need to keep reminding me.

Right now I imagine you're telling everyone in our circle of friends some ridiculous crap to try to get them "on your side". I'm abusive, I'm stupid, have a small d¡ck, smoke crack, or screwed you over somehow, whatever suits you. Perhaps you're trying to text me that you "have mail to pick up" or "left some clothes" at my place... anything for a chance to steal back the frame and keep up with your games.

You should already know how "no contact" works. I just fed your hamster a fistful of meth. It stings when you get rejected, but, my actions have spoken. Do I need to get a restraining order? Never mind, you can't answer that.

:singlefingerwave: Have a nice day.
 

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There is nothing cowardly about what these men are doing. If you ask me.. the most cowardly thing you can do is be a sheep and never question the status quo. Not to mention how modern society has dramatically shifted in the direction of kissing female azz at every opportunity.

How much do men as a group have to lose respect, pride and dignity before they change their behavior? I guess we are finding out.

In the end... f*ck marriage.
 

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Believe it or not there are good women out there. They are becoming rarer and fewer but they are out there.

Women got problems too man. It just so happens that one of their problems is not finding men. But I promise you they have problems which is why women.. and men... in general.. pretty much laugh at people who just check out.


There is a middle ground. I don't believe men should marry the first girl who looks at him but at the same time I don't believe men should just check out of society all together. I do think men should be more prudent about who they marry and should always look after their best interest.
 

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backbreaker said:
Believe it or not there are good women out there. They are becoming rarer and fewer but they are out there.

Women got problems too man. It just so happens that one of their problems is not finding men. But I promise you they have problems which is why women.. and men... in general.. pretty much laugh at people who just check out.


There is a middle ground. I don't believe men should marry the first girl who looks at him but at the same time I don't believe men should just check out of society all together. I do think men should be more prudent about who they marry and should always look after their best interest.
Its not about marriage only, its the whole system which also regulated sexuality and relationships, I would sign 10 papers to have the problems just with marriages.
 
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