"Men checking out of society because of..."

[princess_124]

As they say in China "I don't have a house or a car but I do have a sewing machine, a watch, and a bicycle."

But really, why should it matter if he has a house and a car, a good income. Men don't judge women on that kind of thing, so what makes you entitled a man with that? Your vagina?

Ok, you tell me, would you marry a homeless girl? By a "nice house and car", I don't mean a 10 bedroom mention and 2014 Lamborghini. I mean a 2009 Toyota and a descent house (no apartment).

 

[Poon King]

Ok, you tell me, would you marry a homeless girl? By a "nice house and car", I don't mean a 10 bedroom mention and 2014 Lamborghini. I mean a 2009 Toyota and a descent house (no apartment).

You're not answering the question though. Why does a man need to have these things?

Unless you're a prostitute.. a man's income and possessions should not matter to you. Are men people or walking wallets?

 

[backbreaker]

The real problem is that we have hypergamy on a scale that has never been seen by a society before.

Princess, you mean well, I get what you're trying to say better than YOU understand what you're trying to say. You just want a guy who has his **** together and is responsible. Even though that's not all you want lol, for the sake of this particular conversation we will leave your criteria as this. And I understand this, I'm a married man. I can be funny, cute, have all the game in the world and at the end of the day my wife would not be my wife if I didn't have my **** together and i very much have my **** together


However, a woman's definition of a man having his **** together fluctuates depending on the woman's societal status in life and where she wants to go.. in short you have women who want to have their cake and eat it too...you have women who want to have the financial success of women having a non traditional role in society yet while having a traditional mindset towards relationships.

IN other words, for the most part if you had a job and you weren't a criminal and you worked hard and didn't beat your wife, you had your **** together compared to women, and 60-70% of the men that you dated had the potential to push you up the societal ladder.


But now that's nto the same. A woman who lives in a trailer park's definition of a man having his **** together.. maybe a guy with a full time job, and doesn't do drugs, is different than a woman who has a career on wall street.. maybe a man with an MBA in finances and is fast tracked to be in senior management.


Women make more money than they ever have, yet they still expect men to make MORE money . yes you don't want a millionaire but if you make 25k a year you would thumb your nose at a guy making 20k because you think you can do better.


The point is, that's not mathematically possible.


1. my wife's best friend dumped a man she dated for 3 years who worked at a restaurant when she started a new job at a company and met a guy making probably double what she made. They are getting married in April. There is a quite long thread on this forum about this lol


2. my best friend, who is a female, just got engaged and she makes probalby 3x more than her finance makes and i would bet even money they don't make it to next September when they are supposed to get married. She likes him.. she loves him but she thinks she can do better. she gets frustrated that she has to be the breadwinner of the relationship. she's footing the entire wedding bill (30k), the entire deposit for their house, women are not accustomed to this male oriented role.


He's a good guy, he respects her, treats her well, i like the guy. They are a good fit. He just doesn't' make a lot of money, he works with his family and prefers the stress free live over the rat race.


What you have then is that you have a bunch of poor uneducated people marrying each other and giving marriage a bad name, and then you have educated women marrying the cream of the crop guys, then you have a bunch of middle class girls demanding that their man be upper middle class and so on. "Even when women make the last call and hold their noses and pick a man in their late 30's or so they look at the guy with disdain. And this is not coming from a "Red Piller" I'm married.


Men are looking at all this and saying.. this is stupid lol. The game is rigged. They take the ball and go home.


There are 2 things that need to happen to fix this problem

1. women have to accept more non traditional views of what a man should bring to the table. you can't have a country where women graduate more than men do, and have every woman in the country married to men who make more or even the same as you do lol. But that's what women currently want.

2. The child custody/ alimony laws / have to change.



It's funny my wife was technically homeless when I met her. She was bumming a room with her best friend. As anyone here on this forum will attest to I'm crazy about my wife, but if I got a divorce I doubt i'd even try again. I'd go out and have sex every once in a while, but i'd spend the vast majority of my time doing what i want to do.

 

[YawataNoKami]

All I ever wanted and still want is a woman to share my life with, I will never let go of that dream. If they are ungrateful for what I have to offer I'll be happy to not give them anything. I have worked my fvcking ass off to get to where I am today, I'm willing to share the fruits of my effort. I have value and it's only fair that not any pissy b!tch gets to enjoy it with me.

Feminists are a joke, just remind them of what they stand for. They try to unfairly push me I say "equal rights". Accused of rape? Tell them to stop being so deluded, they're not worth raping. Accused of sexism? Say "hey, it's not my problem you can't accept being liked", these accusations come out of paranoia and a fvcked up perception that guys are out to get them (with negative intentions).

The manosphere and feminism debate is retarded in that it's essentially just a grand scale blame game, nobody gets love or sex over it. It's butthurt women and men taking their frustration out on each other, continuing the debate does nothing good to either side. If there's anything I can't take anymore it's all the hate regardless of what gender is to blame. Ironically the tendency to blame others is probably the prime reason they/we fvcked up, and it's just a continuing pattern outside whatever experience made them/us butthurt. Reading that article was a complete fvcking waste of my time, it provides nothing to achieve my goal of a positive relationship with the opposite sex.

I am a man, I want to fvck women. If a woman is too retarded to get that, I'll be kind enough to let her have fun with her emotionally dead precious dildo and enjoy her life with a massive emotional void. I love women who love men, I filter them accordingly. Thus feminists hating on men means less than the sh!t I took yesterday.

Now, can we please kill the feminism and "oh, we're so screwed" debates? Could we actually discuss how we as men can make it in this world instead of arguing how fvcked the world is, regardless of how fvcked it actually is?

Spend a week or two in family court, and you’ll see exactly what is real and tangible and lasting about women.

 

[Tortendieb]

Ok, you tell me, would you marry a homeless girl? By a "nice house and car", I don't mean a 10 bedroom mention and 2014 Lamborghini. I mean a 2009 Toyota and a descent house (no apartment).

Why no apartment? I would marry a girl with an apartment. That's some stupid rules you set up there.

Where I live, almost nobody can afford an actual house. Also, most people use public transport. Tough luck huh? No house, no car. But people get married because they don't care for money as much as you do.

Actually I try to never mention that I have a degree, no debts and a good income, because I want to weed out girls who think that way. I've rejected girls purely because they were wearing gold watches and bracelets.

 

[princess_124]

The real problem is that we have hypergamy on a scale that has never been seen by a society before.

Princess, you mean well, I get what you're trying to say better than YOU understand what you're trying to say. You just want a guy who has his **** together and is responsible. Even though that's not all you want lol, for the sake of this particular conversation we will leave your criteria as this. And I understand this, I'm a married man. I can be funny, cute, have all the game in the world and at the end of the day my wife would not be my wife if I didn't have my **** together and i very much have my **** together


However, a woman's definition of a man having his **** together fluctuates depending on the woman's societal status in life and where she wants to go.. in short you have women who want to have their cake and eat it too...you have women who want to have the financial success of women having a non traditional role in society yet while having a traditional mindset towards relationships.

IN other words, for the most part if you had a job and you weren't a criminal and you worked hard and didn't beat your wife, you had your **** together compared to women, and 60-70% of the men that you dated had the potential to push you up the societal ladder.


But now that's nto the same. A woman who lives in a trailer park's definition of a man having his **** together.. maybe a guy with a full time job, and doesn't do drugs, is different than a woman who has a career on wall street.. maybe a man with an MBA in finances and is fast tracked to be in senior management.


Women make more money than they ever have, yet they still expect men to make MORE money . yes you don't want a millionaire but if you make 25k a year you would thumb your nose at a guy making 20k because you think you can do better.


The point is, that's not mathematically possible.


1. my wife's best friend dumped a man she dated for 3 years who worked at a restaurant when she started a new job at a company and met a guy making probably double what she made. They are getting married in April. There is a quite long thread on this forum about this lol


2. my best friend, who is a female, just got engaged and she makes probalby 3x more than her finance makes and i would bet even money they don't make it to next September when they are supposed to get married. She likes him.. she loves him but she thinks she can do better. she gets frustrated that she has to be the breadwinner of the relationship. she's footing the entire wedding bill (30k), the entire deposit for their house, women are not accustomed to this male oriented role.


He's a good guy, he respects her, treats her well, i like the guy. They are a good fit. He just doesn't' make a lot of money, he works with his family and prefers the stress free live over the rat race.


What you have then is that you have a bunch of poor uneducated people marrying each other and giving marriage a bad name, and then you have educated women marrying the cream of the crop guys, then you have a bunch of middle class girls demanding that their man be upper middle class and so on. "Even when women make the last call and hold their noses and pick a man in their late 30's or so they look at the guy with disdain. And this is not coming from a "Red Piller" I'm married.


Men are looking at all this and saying.. this is stupid lol. The game is rigged. They take the ball and go home.


There are 2 things that need to happen to fix this problem

1. women have to accept more non traditional views of what a man should bring to the table. you can't have a country where women graduate more than men do, and have every woman in the country married to men who make more or even the same as you do lol. But that's what women currently want.

2. The child custody/ alimony laws / have to change.



It's funny my wife was technically homeless when I met her. She was bumming a room with her best friend. As anyone here on this forum will attest to I'm crazy about my wife, but if I got a divorce I doubt i'd even try again. I'd go out and have sex every once in a while, but i'd spend the vast majority of my time doing what i want to do.

Bingo! I guess what I wanted to say I want a responsible guy. Yes, there are some women who are gold diggers...but not all of us!! We also take our life seriously. We just don't want some lazy guy that lives on his parents money!

 

[backbreaker]

Bingo! I guess what I wanted to say I want a responsible guy. Yes, there are some women who are gold diggers...but not all of us!! We also take our life seriously. We just don't want some lazy guy that lives on his parents money!

ah.. and that's the part that I said that I would leave out for the sake of the conversation.. but see.. this is not all you want


and understand i'm not attacking you, i've lived with my wife for damn near 7 years now, i've dated plenty before that and I have a good read on what women want and what they WANT.



Yes, you want a responsible guy. I'm not denying that. I believe you. However you require that he still "excites you" and "makes you feel" like the guy who is not responsible does.


See, when a man says he's responsible what he's saying is he goes to work 9-5, pays his mortage, pays his car note, takes care of his parents, does what he feels he's required to do to be a responsible male in society.


When a woman says she wants a responsible guy what she is saying from my experience is that she wants a guy who she thinks is hot, still has the time to spend with her like the non responsible guy does, still excites her, still has the social skills that the non responsible party guy has, but.. lol with a better job now.


well duh lol. that would be ideal. But men have to generally chose between being social or being responsible. I can take you to starbucks tomorrow and sit down for 2 hours and point out no less than 20 responsible men i would guarantee it, but you wouldn't be attracted to them and there in lies the catch 22.


When I was younger princess I went 3 years without so much as a date let alone a GF becuase i was starting a business and I didn't get a single woman give me the time of day. I was quite responsible then. But I wasn't dressed to the 9's, I didn't have a fly car, I didn't go to parties all the time, I was handling business. When I handled business and had more time and I was able to go out and party more I was beating women off with a stick and at that point i lost a ton of respect for most of them because most women are quite shallow. It took 2 years for me to trust that my wife wasn't that shallow.


In short, there are no shortage of responsible men. Just like there are no shortage of women who aren't skanks. There just aren't enough men out there that excite you like the guy that you met at a frat party and you keep hooking up with and are still at the same time, responsible.


It's not until women hit their 30's that 2 things happen 1. the responsible guy's fruits really start to pay off and he can have more fu n and still be responsible and 2. womens.. some of them at least, start to see the errors in their ways and start to really seek out real responsible men.

 

[nzsnowman]

Poor bastards... Video games are getting damn good though, in a way I can't blame them.

If only they knew the most insane and exciting game ever is REAL LIFE.

It just takes more work to level up.

 

[Poon King]

Bingo! I guess what I wanted to say I want a responsible guy. Yes, there are some women who are gold diggers...but not all of us!! We also take our life seriously. We just don't want some lazy guy that lives on his parents money!

Yeah... you and Backbreaker need to cut the crap.

If you wanted a responsible guy who is not lazy you would of said: "I want a responsible guy who is not lazy." But that is not what you said. You were very specific about wanting a man with a NICE CAR and a NICE HOUSE.

Nothing about his personality or looks even mentioned. Pure materialism.

Backbreaker doesn't know what he's talking about either.

 

[Vulpine]

Do you guys honestly expect a full-on generic american chick to be able to explain what constitutes "good provisioning"? Much less expect her to admit that only the top 1% of society could actually tick the boxes off her shopping list?
Her name invokes an image of a gal with a white dress on that has a black barcode and the black stencil lettering across the front reads: "good woman". But, when you look on the back, the ingredients lists: drama, lies, manipulation, delusion, greed, entitlement and materialism.
:nervous:
That can't be good for a guy.

I mean, come on. Expecting a princess, who conceals her age, to explain why a man that gives her dollars is so important, despite her having a job and dollars of her own? Expecting a princess to understand that it's just not possible for her, and the hundreds-of-thousands of delusional women just like her, to meet the same perfect man?


Consider the "needle in the haystack" idea.

For men, all the silver spray-painted pieces of hay represent women that are princesses looking for their prince charming: that silver spray-painted hay doesn't want anything to do with simply a "good man", much less want to ƒuck the guy. The men have to sift through all those fake, delusional women to find that one bona fide "needle" that actually recognizes them as a a person and not a financial institution.

On the other hand, women's "haystacks" consist of a pile of dudes who they can ƒuck, with a rumor that one rich dude is somewhere in the pile. He might be an asshøle, he might be abusive, he might have herpes, but he's the magic one, sight unseen, and he's in that pile somewhere. Imagine all the men in the country in a haystack. In that pile, 1% are "needles". Every woman in the country is sifting through that haystack. There is a physical limitation to how many "needles" can be pulled out of that stack by other women. Yet, somehow, women believe that there is one magical needle in the pile that is just for them. It's their right as a princess to have their very own 6'4" tall, dark, handsome, doctor/lawyer/accountant needle, after all.

The difference being that women search for a perfect myth, despite thousands of decent options, whereas men just want one truly good option out of the thousands of "perfect myths".

The men that check out of society take a look at the pile of hay...
"You're telling me there's a needle in there somewhere? It looks like a bunch of silver spray-painted grass. Leave me alone: I'm 'batin'."

Have enough silver paint come off on your hands and you'd be disillusioned, too.

The bait-and-switch is so prevalent that ED has become an issue. We need pills that trick a man's body into being aroused. THAT's how lousy women have become: the opposite of arousing to such an extent that we need a pill to achieve what women should be achieving naturally. Honestly, princesses, how does it feel to be so d¡ck-limpening that drug companies have picked up on the need and are capitalizing on it? By the way, is it any wonder that Viagra is a blue pill?

The best consumer is the single woman. Marketing and media have studied this, and it's in their best interest to perpetuate women staying single so they continue to sell more products. Most guys feel helpless against the goliath that is the pop-culture forming media. So, they pick their battles: at least the make-believe ones on their game consoles are "win-able".

 

[backbeat]

Yeah... you and Backbreaker need to cut the crap.

If you wanted a responsible guy who is not lazy you would of said: "I want a responsible guy who is not lazy." But that is not what you said. You were very specific about wanting a man with a NICE CAR and a NICE HOUSE.

Nothing about his personality or looks even mentioned. Pure materialism.

Backbreaker doesn't know what he's talking about either.

no u cut the crap playher_man u dont know what the f@ck ur talkin about playher_man aka afc_savior aka rescuemission aka skip2mylou aka 2bold4ss u r the biggest afc that ever lived u pvssy azz cl@wn.

 

[AttackFormation]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Vulpine again.

Your post had me in a fit! really great points.

 

[Serenity]

Poor bastards... Video games are getting damn good though, in a way I can't blame them.

If only they knew the most insane and exciting game ever is REAL LIFE.

It just takes more work to level up.

I really like that comparison. Have a high achieving MMORPG player map the same concept to reality and you have a recipe for success. I'm not against gaming, but I am for moderation. Life works much the same way, practice a skill and you gain experience. Women is its own skill in my mind, practice on them and you gain experience (xp if you like). Higher skill means better gear. The difference is that nobody knows the top level and it's not measured in hard numbers, but there are ways to measure progress no matter what you do. Some guys don't get it or are in denial, and they think they can skip in life. Skipping is like using glitches to level up, while it may work it's still cheating. Nobody likes cheaters and ultimately they screw themselves over, they get banned (socially rejected). Glitches are also fixed when they become known.

 

[Zarky]

Well, whatever. There are rational ways of going about addressing bad deals and irrational ways.

A rational way (IMHO) is to say, "Marriage (or whatever) is not a good deal for me because of X, Y and Z and therefore I'm going to avoid it." And then you do.

An irrational way is to whine constantly about it, blame it on these people or those people or ideaologies or whatever and go on and on and on about it.

I've chosen to avoid marriage (and lots of other traditional societal male roles) because I think they're a raw deal for me at this time. But I'm not mad or disappointed or anything like that. It's like an item in a store -- if I don't think it's worth the price I'm simply not going to buy it and move on. I'm not gonna get all butthurt about it.

Marriage, and much of the mating market, is currently a raw deal for men. Accept it and move on. The very act of not engaging with it is enough to eventually change it.

 

[Poon King]

no u cut the crap playher_man u dont know what the f@ck ur talkin about playher_man aka afc_savior aka rescuemission aka skip2mylou aka 2bold4ss u r the biggest afc that ever lived u pvssy azz cl@wn.

Seems this site is soft on trolls.

You are either a troll or have brain damage, because this post makes no sense at all.

Ironically, you are the "afc" for obsessing over strange men on the Internet and accusing people of being them. Do you really believe any "alpha male" would make a retarded post like this? Lol.. dumbass.

 

[backbeat]

Seems this site is soft on trolls.

You are either a troll or have brain damage, because this post makes no sense at all.

Ironically, you are the "afc" for obsessing over strange men on the Internet and accusing people of being them. Do you really believe any "alpha male" would make a retarded post like this? Lol.. dumbass.

no bro u were lookin at all of playher_man's and burrough's posts when u signed up. that is u man jus wanted to let ppl know u r the troll back again on here. I copied what u wee lookin at bro. that is u an u know it that is why u respond to this again.

 

[Poon King]

no bro u were lookin at all of playher_man's and burrough's posts when u signed up. that is u man jus wanted to let ppl know u r the troll back again on here. I copied what u wee lookin at bro. that is u an u know it that is why u respond to this again.

Really...this is what you do? Spend your days stalking people with new accounts and investigating which threads they view? And I'm the biggest afc that ever lived?

Stalking women is pretty pathetic, but stalking men online is rock bottom.

Get a life queer.

 

[backbeat]

Get a life queer.

same typical playher_man, burroughs, afc_savior, rescue_mission, real, the
_realest_thing, dondan, 2bold_4ss response all those r ur old accounts.

Really...this is what you do? Spend your days stalking people with new accounts and investigating which threads they view? And I'm the biggest afc that ever lived?

Stalking women is pretty pathetic, but stalking men online is rock bottom.

Get a life queer.

nice try playher_man, n e one can look at wut ur doin on a public forum it aint stalkin bro when ur checkin things out. u f@cked with my friends for years on here talkin sh@t to them sayin ur bullsh@t to them. I jus signed up bro. ur pathetic getting banned all the time cumin back with ur same bullsh@t u post.

 

[Poon King]

same typical playher_man, burroughs, afc_savior, rescue_mission, real, the
_realest_thing, dondan, 2bold_4ss response all those r ur old accounts.



nice try playher_man, n e one can look at wut ur doin on a public forum it aint stalkin bro when ur checkin things out. u f@cked with my friends for years on here talkin sh@t to them sayin ur bullsh@t to them. I jus signed up bro. ur pathetic getting banned all the time cumin back with ur same bullsh@t u post.

Eat sh!t pal. Don't know what you're talking about.