Married Women, Single Women

[Latinoman]

So it makes him a bad person if he WANTS to explain his actions to his colleagues? lmfao

I didn't say he was a bad person.

All I said is that he is doing exactly what a WOMAN would do under similar circunstances.

 

[KontrollerX]

"Wow this forum has gone to sh1t. Is getting laid THAT IMPORTANT that you sacrifice what is morally right??"

The way I look at it this forum is about many things.

One of which is teaching you to be true to yourself.

Str8up has done this and explained his reasoning very well.

For that I think we can only give him props.

 

[Latinoman]

I am rather confused.. heh.

If society defines what is "not right." And "phuck society." Then all i have left is me defining for myself what is right or wrong.

Society defines ethics (or whatever as a society is defined as good rules of conduct).

You do whatever actions allow you to look yourself in the mirror and for that matter live with yourself. As long as they are LEGAL.

 

[cordoncordon]

"Wow this forum has gone to sh1t. Is getting laid THAT IMPORTANT that you sacrifice what is morally right??"

The way I look at it this forum is about many things.

One of which is teaching you to be true to yourself.

Str8up has done this and explained his reasoning very well.

For that I think we can only give him props.

So by your reasoning if being true to thy self is raping, or murdering, or stealing, or lying, or sleeping with married women, or any other type of immoral behavior, hey, as long as you admit it and thats what you like to do then its ok.

Alright then.

 

[KontrollerX]

Str8up made the point to us that had been thoroughly ignored by the morality police that he has never cheated on a chick he's been with in a committed relationship.

Once he makes a thread talking about the two hotties he had a threesome with behind his new girlfriend's back (once he gets a new girlfriend that is) you and the other morality brigade members can feel free to crucify him cordon x2.

And I'll even help you carry the crucifix up the lonely Sosuave mountain.

For now though Str8up has remained true to ideals that he laid out for himself long ago which he made clear to all of us long ago.

 

[cordoncordon]

Str8up made the point to us that had been thoroughly ignored by the morality police that he has never cheated on a chick he's been with in a committed relationship.

Once he makes a thread talking about the two hotties he had a threesome with behind his new girlfriend's back (once he gets a new girlfriend that is) you and the other morality brigade members can feel free to crucify him cordon x2.

And I'll even help you carry the crucifix up the lonely Sosuave mountain.

For now though Str8up has remained true to ideals that he laid out for himself long ago which he made clear to all of us long ago.

Oh that's complete and utter BS. Stop with the morality police crap too. You guys making excuses for str8up are nothing but lemmings pure and simple, afraid to go after one of the more respected posters here. Look, I like str8up too but that doesn't mean he isn't acting like an idiot at the moment.

Reality check...for the past year str8up has talked constantly about how he can't find a decent woman, how they all cheat, how he would love to find a good, mature, honest woman. How he finds cheaters and such so despicable. So now he goes and does the very thing that he was criticizing for the past year, and you guys are all crying and whining about morality police? He's the one who talked about morals IN THE FIRST PLACE! If he had said from the beginning that he was a cheat and a liar and slept with whomever whenever, then fine! But don't come on here preaching about morality and then turn around and act against it!

Damn some of you guys are sheep to the nth degree.

 

[guru1000]

"Show me the woman a man sleeps with and I will tell you his valuation of himself"

Thanks LovelyLady,

 

[KontrollerX]

"Show me the woman a man sleeps with and I will tell you his valuation of himself" -Ayn Rand

Thanks LovelyLady,"

So by that quote I guess Str8up evaluates himself to be a realist?

"Reality check...for the past year str8up has talked constantly about how he can't find a decent woman, how they all cheat, how he would love to find a good, mature, honest woman. How he finds cheaters and such so despicable. So now he goes and does the very thing that he was criticizing for the past year"

Yeah where is that post detailing where he cheated on his girlfriend again?

I'm sorry I must of missed it.

Link??

 

[Latinoman]

Kontrollex...don't kid yourself.

Based on the woman a man sleeps with...it tells me a LOT about his character. Which consequently tells me about his integrity and other things.

If a woman sleeps with ghetto men or convicts and the likes...that tells me a LOT about that woman (in fact, I won't sleep with that woman because I would categorize her as one that lacks self-respect).

I have a "shaddy" past myself (married women) and I would never deny that. If a woman finds out about that past...and she decides to not have a relationship with me...I honestly cannot blame her.

We have to be consistent with what we teach in this forum. We cannot or should not adjust our opinions to satisfy that of the posters we like.

 

[MacAvoy]

We have to be consistent with what we teach in this forum. We cannot or should not adjust our opinions to satisfy that of the posters we like.

Your assuming that we need to teach STR8UP this. My contention is that STR8UP is educated enough to know everything your trying to preach and really has other issues at play here. This debate going back and forth for pages on end, only serves to distract the real issues here the same way his stalkers like to constantly bash him.

Now I'm not defending STR8UP, I just don't see the value in your efforts. Like I said to iqqi before everyone takes the same approach with STR8UP and complains that he does the same thing over and over again. But I say everyone who is constantly trying to teach him something is making the exact same mistake that they are accusing him of.

This has been said here many times but the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. I find everyone is trying to repeat their lessons over and over again to STR8UP and expect different results when it hasn't worked the past 50 million times.

So tell me where is the value of your energy in that scenario?

 

[ThunderMaverick]

"Show me the woman a man sleeps with and I will tell you his valuation of himself" -Ayn Rand

Thanks LovelyLady,"

So by that quote I guess Str8up evaluates himself to be a realist?

Sure, if you want interpret that quote the way you want to.

To me, it means something totally different. There's a HUGE difference between getting involved with someone who's shady and we don't know about it, and KNOWINGLY putting ourselves at certain risk due to our knowledge of the other person's ill intentions.

I would rather sleep with a woman who was single (as far as I knew she was single) as opposed to one who's married or seeing someone else.

How would YOU evaluate me? I'd consider myself a realist too. People do cheat yes....

...BUT SURPRISE SURPRISE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T!!

To judge someone off of what you think you know about them that you don't know YET is one thing. Doing that when the person shows you the opposite of what you're assuming is another.

Now let me ask everyone here a question. We know there are cheaters and we know that many of us have been cheated on.

So. Have any of you been in any other relationship where the other person DIDN'T cheat?

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

You know, as recent as 2,000 years ago a man could not only marry several women, but also tap any of his 'servant' women and no one thought twice about it being moral or otherwise. In fact, in some instances his wives encouraged his having sex with their maidservants in order to produce a son that they would claim as their own - even if they weren't "barren" themselves.

And today, even the most pious and virtuous among us hold these Men up as bastions of faith and morality; archetypal examples for how to live. And even the women who were married to them (as well as the maidservants) are likewise heroes of faith.

Morality and what we think of as integrity shifts so often that what was once common place seems unconscionable only a hundred or so years after. Behaviors we think are characteristic of possessing "integrity" are NEVER absolute. They change constantly, and usually when we make our own necessity a virtue. What stays relatively consistent is human behavior and what motivates it.

So, as I said, I ain't saying he should done it, but I understand,..

 

[ThunderMaverick]

So you're saying you also understand why O.J. killed his wife!?!?

 

[Latinoman]

Your assuming that we need to teach STR8UP this. My contention is that STR8UP is educated enough to know everything your trying to preach and really has other issues at play here. .............


So tell me where is the value of your energy in that scenario?

The value is that there are LURKERS and others reading this thread and others. Those are the ones I am trying to teach with my remarks. I don't care about STR8UP as he made it clear he does not want advice.

 

[guru1000]

So tell me where is the value of your energy in that scenario?

Hey, what is that saying you always quote from Rocky Balboa "It's not how hard you hit but how hard you get it and keep moving forward".

Yes St8up is a grown man. I personally like the guy. I won't defend him to satisfy his respect. When he is wrong, he is wrong. Plain and simple.

As a friend, if I have to KNOCK into him, I will. He understands what is right from wrong. No one here is a fully grown GIANT. We all need to be STEERED sometimes when we fall short of GROWTH.

I don't expect STR*UP to openly agree. I know deep down inside he understands. He needs to hear it just as you or I do.

Never be so hubris as to think you have all the answers. Take the hits and keep moving.

 

[Latinoman]

You know, as recent as 2,000 years ago a man could not only marry several women, but also tap any of his 'servant' women and no one thought twice about it being moral or otherwise. In fact, in some instances his wives encouraged his having sex with their maidservants in order to produce a son that they would claim as their own - even if they weren't "barren" themselves.
,..

Having said that... as far back as the late 9th or early 8th century BC, Homer wrote a poem titled "The Iliad" in which two nations went into a long war because one man stole the woman from another man.

Having several women was not an issue in the past. But cheating with another man's wife has ALWAYS been an issue.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

Having said that... as far back as the late 9th or early 8th century BC, Homer wrote a poem titled "The Iliad" in which two nations went into a long war because one man stole the woman from another man.

Having several women was not an issue in the past. But cheating with another man's wife has ALWAYS been an issue.

OOOH CHECKMATE!

 

[KontrollerX]

So you're saying you also understand why O.J. killed his wife!?!?

Damn.

You watch the same trial as I did?

You know I could of swore the verdict in that case was "not guilty". :rock:

 

[ketostix]

Just for you information...I refuse to even acknowledge ridiculous comparisons. I am not debating about shoplifters and serial killers...I am debating about ethics. The Strawman arguments work with people with lower intelligence. So, please, do not try and insult mine.

You are creating a strawman with a strawman. You absolutely did say there's not degrees of how immoral/unethical something is. How can you say my analogy does not totally match what you said previously?

Here you come again. I am not going to give you a social science or sociology course. I encourage you enroll in one if you need to understand what morals are.

I don't need a liberal professer to teach me his morals or what he believes is moral. Been there done that, and I saw how perposterous sociology courses really are.

I am not preaching. I am EXPOSING and EDUCATING.

I have phucked committed women before. At the time, I had no problems doing that. But I don't justify it either. I am exposing the original poster for "justifying" an unethical behavior. I don't care he is doing it...but I care he is "making excuses" or "justifying" it.

If you do something that you can't justify then that is the definition of lacking morals and ethics. Str8up's postion is that he is not in a commited relationship. You can disagree with his "justification" if you want. I never said it was the most moral and ethical thing to do. My postion is it's a neutral situation.

 

[ketostix]

1. I don't defend my gender, nor do most women stick together. What a hoot! Just goes to show how much you know about women.

I don't like ANYONE generalizing about ANYONE, whether it is race or gender. I find it extremely dangerous and unproductive to the end result.

2. LET US get to STR8UP's original post, because his point might be WORSE than where this thread has derailed to. I cannot wait....

SO for the past (I dunno) few months, YEAR+, STR8UP has been feeding us thread after thread after thread, sometimes TWO in one day, usually whining about the married women or committed women (that HE chooses to hang around) and how they CHEAT and how this makes him wary of all womankind (understatement), and how should just join them (can't believe I am the only one who saw where he was going with that.)

Thread after thread after thread, dealing with how immoral ALL women are, and how finding a quality woman is a MYTH. Myth means story that is NOT TRUE. As in there is no such thing, as a woman who does not cheat.

He has been shoving this crap down the MM forum throat over and over and over, and lets not forget aNOTHER common theme, where he percieves every chick wants him. Remember that? All of these AW's and manipulative b!tch married women, all WANT STR8UP. Don't forget that part.

-------------NOW------------------

We have a thread, in which STR8UP "joins" the other side, sleeps with the married woman....

And goes on to try and decry.... the single woman, who WON'T sleep with him... who doesn't want him!

To the point where he is going to start a thread called The Myth of the Single Woman?

WHAT A CROCK OF BS.



So now all married women cheat, AND single women are unavailable. Just because this one chick isn't interested in YOU. Poor STR8UP. That only left the married woman.

WHAT A CROCK OF BS -------------> But the forum members will make up their own mind about what they let you feed them.

You are so full of sh1t it's sickening. You claim, "I don't defend my gender, nor do most women stick together. What a hoot.". Then you fill the page with defending women and sticking to your gender. You're so full of it you're totally blind.