Married Women, Single Women

[hithard]

If he didn't care, he wouldn't be justifying it. That's my point...people should not justify unethical behavior. If your morals are such that you can live with yourself after such behavior...then there is no need for justification.

Also...the history of threads created by OP clearly illustrates that it is an issue he cares about.

could you quote the post? ,maybe we have a different idea of justifying

 

[Latinoman]

Maybe I missed it but what difference does it make if he is justifying his behaviour?

One of the main characteristics of a MATURE "M"an is accountability. Only women justify unethical behavior as MOST women lack accountability.

Justifying unethical behavior = lack of accountability.

It is my responsibility as a DJ to make sure others see that.

As I said toward the end of my very first post in this thread on the phucking married woman part: "Not advisable...but I am not going to play morals in here so I won't even comment on that." So...I don't care who he phucks. And he should phuck whoever he wants. But justifying unethical behavior? Girly behavior.

 

[STR8UP]

I think the point that Iqqi and Latinoman and others made off the "true" point of this thread is STR8's ability to associate himself with people who he likes to complain about. The real question is, is does he see himself as one of them?

Okay, lets get something straight.

The point of most of the stuff I have written is that this stuff is EVERYWHERE.

If I were to choose to not associate with people who CHEAT, I would have no friends!

Ask yourself....how many people that YOU hang out with have cheated? How many of them had cheated that you DON'T KNOW ABOUT?

People just LOVE to take what I say and twist it out of context.

Yea, yea, I only hang out with hookers and crack addicts, blah, blah. That's what everyone will tell you because I made a couple of posts about doing business with the strip clubs. We've beat that horse before and nobody believes that I hang out with DECENT PEOPLE, I obviously can't clarify that point to some folks so I won't bother trying anymore.

See, this is exactly where I am coming from. The world is an ugly place with a pretty veneer. Lots of people like to pretend that lot of sh!t doesn't go on behind closed doors, but IT DOES. People cheat. LOTS of people cheat. And there is a big difference between hanging out with people who cheat or have cheated (which all of us do whether we realize it or not) and hanging out with murderers and bank robbers and rapists and such.

Get it?

Well it's all about what STR8 what's when it comes down to it. Like someone else said, if he's able to look into a mirror and still likes what he sees after all of this then that's fine. *shrugs*

I have been cheated on several times in the past.

I have watched countless other people cheat and be cheated on.

I would be willing to bet that I only know a tiny FRACTION of what really goes on.

You know what it comes down to? IT ISN'T THAT BIG OF A DEAL!

That's right. It isn't.

What is it, like 20% of children are being raised by someone who they THINK is their father, but isn't. that means that out of all of the people who are posting on this thread, it is likely that one or more than one of them had a mother who cheated and ended up getting knocked up by the milkman and let her poor hubby take the responsibility.

I have concluded that cheating is a NATURAL part of life and it isn't that big of a deal. Your girl cheats on you? She has no integrity, so you drop her ass, simple as that.

Is it "right" to cheat on someone in my book? No, it isn't. But I'm not going to condemn other people for doing it cause it's EVERYWHERE. If I were to do so I would shun 75% of the world, and some good people in the process.

I've said it before.....In the recent past I might have came across as being a hater when I have posted about people behaving in this way. I went through the worst time in my life and I was venting my frustrations about many things. But most people know where I truly stand on this. Call it pessimistic or whatever you will, but it's out there, and right now people you know are doing it. It's REAL. Get used to it.

 

[Latinoman]

could you quote the post? ,maybe we have a different idea of justifying

See post #44 which is very long and started with:

"And as for my rationalizing "poor" behavior on my part, I was thinking about it and this is how I see it.

I don't see it being any different than having sex with a chick who has a b/f. Or a girl who is "seeing" someone else. Where do you draw the line? How do you KNOW where the line even is? The answer is, most of the time YOU DON'T.

Get this through your heads people.....ATTRACTIVE WOMEN ARE RARELY 100% SINGLE!

When you start fukking her, chances are SOMEONE is out there who feels like he is getting his toes stepped on. I have been that guy MANY TIMES....

He is rationalizing this in order to justify his behavior.


And AFTER reading this...I changed the tone of my posts in this thread. Before this post, I was not debating him on his behavior. After reading this...my posts totally changed.

 

[MacAvoy]

So...I don't care who he phucks. And he should phuck whoever he wants. But justifying unethical behavior? Girly behavior.

By your definition of ethical though, its society's definition of what's right & wrong. So why shouldn't he justify what he is doing if that is indeed what he wants to do? After all its not HIS definition, according to you, its society's. So by that argument, he would be correct to explain his behaviour (justify).

 

[Latinoman]

Is it "right" to cheat on someone in my book? No, it isn't. But I'm not going to condemn other people for doing it cause it's EVERYWHERE. If I were to do so I would shun 75% of the world, and some good people in the process.

NOW we are talking about.

 

[hithard]

See post #44 which is very long and started with:



He is rationalizing this in order to justify his behavior.


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Very picky but for the last sentence of ' I have been that guy' but after how many sustained attacks, lol I’m surprised it was only that. Do you agree with his statement though out of interest?

 

[STR8UP]

He is rationalizing this in order to justify his behavior.

I crossed that bridge LONG ago.

Call it rationalizing or justifying or whatever.....the end result is that back in my clueless AFC days I believed in all of that romantic hype. I thought things were "supposed" to be a certain way. Then I grew up and realized that the world isn't as it "should" be, it is as it is.

So you can take me commenting on how I can look at myself in the mirror after I sleep with a married woman as "justification" or whatever, but the fact of the matter is I have reached my conclusion on the matter, and I have no problems sleeping or looking at myself in the mirror, so I have no reason to justify what I have done.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

Couldn't you have made that point on the first page?

 

[STR8UP]

By your definition of ethical though, its society's definition of what's right & wrong. So why shouldn't he justify what he is doing if that is indeed what he wants to do? After all its not HIS definition, according to you, its society's. So by that argument, he would be correct to explain his behaviour (justify).

Thank you, Mac. I couldn't find the words, but you nailed it. I was EXPLAINING my behavior to "society", I was not justifying the act to myself.

 

[Latinoman]

By your definition of ethical though, its society's definition of what's right & wrong.

It is not "my" definition and it is not "according me" it. It is THE definition. I am in a unique situation that although I am a man of science (in a profession that depending of the State I work is ruled by a code of ethics)...I took a considerably amount of social sciences, ethics (required), humanities, philosophy, sociology and industrial psychology courses in my University. In fact, I think it was between 8-10 university courses.

So why shouldn't he justify what he is doing if that is indeed what he wants to do? After all its not HIS definition, according to you, its society's. So by that argument, he would be correct to explain his behaviour (justify).

This is not a case in which he slept with a woman WITHOUT knowing she was married. This is a case in which he slept with a woman he knew was married. Why justify something that is not justifiable?

Did he do the right thing? No. Should we attack him for doing it? No, we should not enforce our morals to anyone as he did nothing illegal... If he would have engaged in ILLEGAL behavior, that would have been different and would have required attacks.

As I said...I have NO issues with his morals as those are his and not mine. My issue is looking for excuses and justification.

 

[Latinoman]

Thank you, Mac. I couldn't find the words, but you nailed it. I was EXPLAINING my behavior to "society", I was not justifying the act to myself.

Phuck society! You don't have to explain your actions (unless they are ILLEGAL or can get you FIRED or lose some professional license) to ANYONE. As long as you understand they are not right (unethical)...but at the same time, they are not illegal...and as long as you can sleep with yourself...then who cares? I truly mean that.

Do NOT allow anyone to shove their own personal moral standards to you.

 

[MacAvoy]

You don't have to explain your actions to ANYONE.

So it makes him a bad person if he WANTS to explain his actions to his colleagues? lmfao

 

[hithard]

Its time for a deep breath..... :yawn: and close thread.

 

[mrRuckus]

Phuck society! You don't have to explain your actions (unless they are ILLEGAL or can get you FIRED or lose some professional license) to ANYONE. As long as you understand they are not right (unethical)...but at the same time, they are not illegal...and as long as you can sleep with yourself...then who cares? I truly mean that.

Do NOT allow anyone to shove their own personal moral standards to you.

I am rather confused.. heh.

If society defines what is "not right." And "phuck society." Then all i have left is me defining for myself what is right or wrong.

These morals/ethics or whatever the correct terminology is had to have been made up by somebody or other, no? Like a democracy where people started to think independently and often came to the same conclusions collectively? You might say this is right or that is wrong and most everyone will agree with you so that becomes the "rule," but what of us dissenters that just don't see something as right or wrong without having to justify it just so we can go run out and do it guilt free?

I did not put STR8UP down,

Oh, ok.

I really don't think he needs my help in that department.

Wait. What?

 

[iqqi]

^^^^^^ Think about it. <scratches record> You'll get it.

 

[The Bat]

What was the original point of this thread?

 

[iqqi]

That now in addition to all women being immoral and not quality, that no women are truly single, either.

So... I don't know what the point is.

 

[cordoncordon]

If any of these guys were out with a buddy who was married or in a committed relationship, and it just so happened that the hottest chick in the bar was obviously interested in FUKKING buddy, EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE of these guys would be giving him a high five, spotting him cab fare, and handing him the keys to their condo just so he could tap that ass.

And people are calling ME a hypocrite and such.

I totally 100% disagree. I don't know who you hang around with but I can say that would not be true in my case.

 

[cordoncordon]

I'm absolutely amazed that more men are defending str8up's fvcking of a married women, just because he "got some", rather than defending morals and integrity.

Wow this forum has gone to sh1t. Is getting laid THAT IMPORTANT that you sacrifice what is morally right??