Whooah!
Chubbs, you took that way too personally, I honestly didn't mean it like that, I didn't mean to offend you!
I had a lot to say, so I thought I'd make it as decisive and clear as possible, but I didn't mean to be arrogant, I was trying to put forward a lot of information in as concise a way as possible.
You are right in that a lot of men DO use pornography, go to strip clubs, hire hookers, etc., and admittedly, that not all men do this, but I do object to your conception of ONSs, as I KNOW from experience that there ARE a lot of women here in the UK who sleep with guys they barely know, who they have just met, guys who are good looking but haven't demonstrated 'good personality traits' at all on the night.
Maybe you just haven't had the life experiences I have had.
Maybe it's just a different culture in your particular part of the world, and you don't see seedy things like that happening often.
For example, one of my of my former housemates was literally a thug, and acted like one in the nightclubs, and almost ALWAYS brought a low-ranking woman back with him, and b.anged her. They didn't give a s.hit whether he had a good personality or not, they just liked the look of him and appreciated his muscles.
Also, when I was referring to 'ugly ducklings,' I was thinking of guys who I have known (including myself) who are good looking but don't always demonstrate the positive, confident body language that would normally be expected of somebody so good-looking, because they haven't always enjoyed high status, the mental imprint of 'failure' is still there. Either because they used to be 'ugly' or tried too hard in school, got bullied etc.
To me, guys like this ALWAYS stand out - they are very often the guys who are mistaken for being gay when they are not.
When I speak to guys like this, they soon show their true colours - they are intelligent, creative, multi-talented perfectionists, but the scars of their previous life as a supposed less desirable person can still be seen in their body language.
In other words, they do not carry themselves according to their strengths, even though they do have many. The women who are able to see beyond the superficial 'negatives' find the many positives that lie beyond, whereas many others will just NOT get 'it', they only see the negative body language and outer behaviour, and just think 'LOSER.'
They can't understand the concept that this particular guy MEASURES himself by different standards to those by which SHE measures herself. In my experience, the less understanding of these two prototypes is the lower-ranking woman, and a lot of HBSs are good at 'SEEING' these hidden abilities and personality strengths that the lower-ranking woman is typically oblivious to.
I hope I made things clearer here. I really had no intention to belittle you or your opinions Chubbs, I was merely trying to be direct in putting my ideas across, since there was so much to write.
With regards to my attitude towards MW, it's good to see women posting on here, but I stand by my point that she hasn't really told us anything we didn't already know. It just sounded like she had a bad night out down the pub and thought she'd try to bruise our egos by writing totally unhelpful comments on a forum meant for DJing skills.
Chubbs, that's just how I saw it, and I thought it was a little immature of MW because it was a sort of bitter 'don't bother chumps' type of post rather than a more positive 'right, I'm in this life, so how can I do the best with what I've got?' post.
Surely, as Darwinian sympathiser points out, the whole point of DJing is to improve on what you already have, to play to your strengths and use this to climb up the scale of girls who were ALREADY biologically more attracted or predisposed to you, but needed more proof that you were 'worthy' of whatever type of relationship they have in mind at the time?
Yes, there is a certain membrane through which you will never be able to penetrate. But surely we all knew that before MW posted this thread!
It almost goes without saying, that the women who think 'no' when they look at you will hardly ever change their minds, and even if they did, would you really want somebody who from square one was convinced that they were doing you a favour? What kind of life would that be anyway?!
My whole point is, people who are obsessed about looks are usually miserable and totally uninteresting people to be around.
We all know there are certain realities, but that's NOT
ground-breaking news.
Some of the most 'high ranking' men in Hollywood have wasted years of their lives through drug addiction and depression, because they have been chasing an impossible dream of perfection only to realise that people have pretty much the same lot in life anyway.
So Chubbs in particular, also MW, please don't take any offence to my words, you know we all understand the issues at stake here, but there are differences between gauging somebody's attractiveness level to you, and going around openly discussing people's physical flaws in public like so many UK sl.appers do, and thinking that it's satisfactory behaviour which will win you friends that are worth having.
What I found irritating about the original post was the undercurrent of 'I don't give a s.hit about the guys who I am not attracted to, so there!' The question is: if MysteryWoman is so adept at finding fulfillment in her own life, why the h.eck is spending time posting comments like these on a men's forum?
But I'm thin and very shy. 
