superchill89 said:
I thought it's been decided time and again that looks and personality are both important.
Yes, this has been decided already, by the looks matter crowd. THey Both matter, and are both very important. Neither can be neglected if you want to be successful with hot women.
However, the looks DONT matter fools beleive either you can neglect the 'looks' or that it just doesnt matter at all. They are very wrong in this beleif. LOOKS ARE NOT NEGLIGABLE IF YOU WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL WITH HOT WOMEN. HOT WOMEN REQUIRE GOOD LOOKS.
No one on the looks matter side talks about personality mattering becuase this is evident on both sides, so why bring it up?
This discussion is about looks being a pre-requisite for success versus those who say its not.
Looks will get you ATTENTION from chicks and will help you make a good FIRST IMPRESSION. But after that, you need PERSONALITY to pull them and attract them. If you are retarded or a complete weirdo, then most girls will not sleep with you even if you are good looking. Likewise, if you are hideous, you are not going to get good looking chicks.
If she thinks you are really hot, and your personality is average, youll do fine. You should have no problem fvcking her. YOU JUST CANT HAVE A BAD PERSONALITY, then she might reject you even though she thinks you are hot.
And looks are more than just getting her attention. The looks create that fire and that lust inside her that makes her want to fvck you. It works the same way in men.
Most hot guys fvcking the HBs have average joe personalities!
GOGL, the problem with your argument is that you're basically saying that in order to get some pvssy from a girl, she has to immediately feel physically attracted to you.
No, I said that she must see you as good looking. She must looks at you and think either "ooh, hes cute" or "damn, he's soo hot!". Works the same way with guys if you need an example that makes sense to you. If she doesnt see this. then she's thinking "uh, you do nothing for me" or "ewwwww". and thats when you dont stand a chance no matter your personality (statistically speaking)
It'd be more accurate to say that she just can't be REPULSED by you, and that would mean looks only matter if you're HIDEOUS.
nope, she must see you as atleast cute. She cant see you as ugly, and she cant see you as plain average. (again, if shes a hot babe)
But you can't say it's rare that an AVERAGE looking guy is with a HOT girl. Women's tastes aren't as weird as you think, it's very easy to spot when a girl that is clearly model quality is with a guy that looks just like your average joe.
Yeah, its very easy to spot couples like this. But the thing is, that average looking guy is actually good looking in her eyes. What is rare are couples where even she will admit hes not good looking or couples where the guy is clearly disgusting looking.
You see, alot of good looking guys appear average looking to other men. MEN ARE POOR JUDGES OF MALE ATTRACTIVENESS. Its very common for a woman to see a guy and blurt out "ohhh, hes hot!", and then her male friend looks over and sees him and thinks "uhh, okay, that guy is average looking". see what I mean? I mean, women think Scott peterson (the murderer) is good looking when I think most guys would rate him as average.
Not to mention women's taste varies. One woman's ugly is another's hot guy.
All this explains the hot girl-average joe observations perfectly. much better than a "looks dont matter" explanation.
I highly doubt that in all cases, the HB is just somehow extremely physically turned on by the average joe's features.
I never said this is the case ALL OF THE TIME. youre putting words in my mouth. But remember, MEN ARE POOR JUDGES OF MALE ATTRACTIVENESS.
most guys who are good looking to women, you will probabily rate as average! Men are usually poor judges. we are accurate some of the time, but hardly all of the time.
Also, your forgetting now, women's tastes are subjective. For example, Some women actually think a kind of big nose is actually hot to them. they get turned on by it. Again, women's tastes are not objective. One woman's ugly guy is anothers hottie.
Maybe it is rare that an UGLY guy is, but if a chick looks at you and you look at least acceptable (key being that she doesn't have to immediately be PHYSICALLY ATTRACTED to you) then you have a shot to win her over with your game.
yes, this is true IF the girl is NOT an HB. average looking chicks have lower standards, so do the "cute" ones. But we are talking about the really hot babes here. the playboy playmate look alikes. THese ones, she must see you as alteast cute.
Tell me, do you think it's impossible for someone whose not initially physically attractive to a woman to turn a woman on with his words and personality?
yes, again, if the woman is ugly or average, anything is possible. ANd there do exist some anomalies in the Hot babe population, but they are rare.
Think about it the other way around. If an average looking girl who you weren't really attracted to started acting real sexy, touching you, teasing you (not DJ/CNF teasing, sexual teasing), you'd probably be eventually willing to hook up with her.
Well Im a good looking guy. I can do way better than that, so no. but you being a not so good looking guy, youll probably do it. See your own "demand" to the opposite sex actually effects your standards or your "price", works the same way with women.
If you're just ugly, then oftentimes you'll just be disqualified right away because they probably won't want to sleep with someone they are physically repulsed by. But you will still be able to pull chicks by turning them on with your WORDS and with your PERSONALITY.
If you are ugly and repulsive, and shes a hot babe, theres like a 1/200 chance that youll be able to turn her on with your words and personality, otherwise it aint gonna happen.
Now if shes ugly or average looking......you have a good chance.
Sexual attraction for females CAN BE CREATED BY PERSONALITY. You can turn a woman on with words and make her feel the same way she does when she sees a hot guy.
Not if shes a hot babe AND she doesnt think your atleast cute (statistically speaking)
