Looks are more important than you think! Merged [Official thread]

[ricorico]

[QUOTE



Finally something we can agree on! It's true. Women are self-absorbed airheads, for the most part. This mindset is absolutely pathetic in my opinion.[/QUOTE]


Deus, yes women are self absorbed and insecure. they need all of their girlfriends to go shopping with them because on their own, they cannot tell what looks good. They form oppinions on guys who do not hit on them as being gay. Then they will complain "How come all the good-looking guys are gay"? Women tell themselves all sorts of stuff in order to make themselves feel better. remember there are few with high self esteem.

The girls with high self esteem will go up to the guy they think is good-looking and initiate contact. that is if this guy is not going around like a robot and at least smiles at her. Women are SCRARED of good-looking guys because they think he will definately cheat on the, Many would preffer an AFC boyfriend who behaves like a damned puppy and flatters her all day long.

 

[ricorico]

deus does'nt seem to get the fact we are saying looks are not a guarentee for anything if you act like a robot.

case in point. Hot girl who does'nt get approached because she gives no eye contact,does'nt smile and does'nt appear friendly with her body language.

cute girl perhaps a 7. She initiates eye contact,smiles and tells guys with body language she is interested.

Now honestly,which girl do you think will get hit on more. Ms. Ice Queen or the one who is warm and makes guys feel good about approaching?

Yes guys care about looks. But we also care about the personality. Girl #1 would not get my attention at all. Why try to get to know someone who looks like she will be a lot of work?.


Girl #2 would get my attention. Probably might ask her out even if she is just cute and won't get other guys to do a double take. Why? She is open, friendly and if nothing comes from it I will at least have a good time with her. I'll trade a couple of notches in looks for someone who has both looks and personality.

 

[ricorico]

Superchill,

I used an analogy of the HB9 with robotic attitude who does'nt smile, give eye contact,or positive body language.Hence she rarely has guys going up to her because they think she is conceited or a snob or just a *****!!

That same girl will watch her friend who is a 7 pull guys because she is confident,smiles, uses her personality and body language to let guys know she is interested.Now we all know guys care about looks. But we also care to know someone is receptive to us.

The Hb89 girl tries to tell herself 1 of 3 things to feel better.

#1, Guys are intimidated by her beauty(never thinking it's her attitude which makes people uncomfortable to approach)
#2. Guys like ugly chicks because they are easy. Sure, all guys like easy for 1 night stand. But guys like women who give them positive feedback who are easy to talk to. We don't like a cold fish.
#3. He must be gay. Greatest self-excuse ever invented by a woman when a guy she is interested in shows no interest.

Now none of these reasons she thinks of is actually what is going on. The Hb9 is blaming everything on why guys are not approaching. Meanwhile her attitude is what is keeping guys away. But she thinks her beauty is what should be the 100% lure and thinks she does'nt have to do anything at all to enhance her chances with men.

EVERYONe has to use every advantage they have in order to get to lure top dog they want. Even hot women have to compete with each other through personality,sex or whatever it takes in order to get the attention of Top Dog. Look at the girls vieing for NBA players or other young sports stars. they know they can't just look good if they want to marry this guy. They use skills to hook him!! Not just merely good looks. If you see some Sports players wives, sure they're pretty. But most are not the most gorgeous girls these guys could get. The girls who usually hook them use their looks and game as an advantage.Girls with just looks get used like ho's. There are plenty of good-looking empty headed girls for these guys to "play with" all day long! It takes more than just good looks to get a great mate even for women.

Any man or woman who thinks "Let me just stand there and have people come up to me even if I am not giving any positive insentive because I look good". Is in for a rude awakening as they will have to settle for a lot lower than what they could have had.These sort of people are dillusional in their own mind. Though they refuse to admit it. They are socially backwards and try very hard not to confront themselves to the fact that is the MAIN reason they are not approached as much as their average friends.they have an advantage and do not know how to use it. Just like the guy with the gun, who had a great advantage, but did'nt know how to use it out of fear or self-doubt and let the guy with the sword take him out!!

 

[FutureSpartan]

Why even bother arguing with Deux. He's too busy analyzing your post sentence-by-sentence like some literary critique paper to see the big picture

 

[Ripper]

Why even bother arguing with Deux. He's too busy analyzing your post sentence-by-sentence like some literary critique paper to see the big picture

Quite. I had some sympathy for the guy when I first came here but from the evidence here he's done nothing to change.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

I thought it's been decided time and again that looks and personality are both important.

Yes, this has been decided already, by the looks matter crowd. THey Both matter, and are both very important. Neither can be neglected if you want to be successful with hot women.

However, the looks DONT matter fools beleive either you can neglect the 'looks' or that it just doesnt matter at all. They are very wrong in this beleif. LOOKS ARE NOT NEGLIGABLE IF YOU WANT TO BE SUCCESSFUL WITH HOT WOMEN. HOT WOMEN REQUIRE GOOD LOOKS.

No one on the looks matter side talks about personality mattering becuase this is evident on both sides, so why bring it up?

This discussion is about looks being a pre-requisite for success versus those who say its not.

Looks will get you ATTENTION from chicks and will help you make a good FIRST IMPRESSION. But after that, you need PERSONALITY to pull them and attract them. If you are retarded or a complete weirdo, then most girls will not sleep with you even if you are good looking. Likewise, if you are hideous, you are not going to get good looking chicks.

If she thinks you are really hot, and your personality is average, youll do fine. You should have no problem fvcking her. YOU JUST CANT HAVE A BAD PERSONALITY, then she might reject you even though she thinks you are hot.

And looks are more than just getting her attention. The looks create that fire and that lust inside her that makes her want to fvck you. It works the same way in men.

Most hot guys fvcking the HBs have average joe personalities!

GOGL, the problem with your argument is that you're basically saying that in order to get some pvssy from a girl, she has to immediately feel physically attracted to you.

No, I said that she must see you as good looking. She must looks at you and think either "ooh, hes cute" or "damn, he's soo hot!". Works the same way with guys if you need an example that makes sense to you. If she doesnt see this. then she's thinking "uh, you do nothing for me" or "ewwwww". and thats when you dont stand a chance no matter your personality (statistically speaking)

It'd be more accurate to say that she just can't be REPULSED by you, and that would mean looks only matter if you're HIDEOUS.

nope, she must see you as atleast cute. She cant see you as ugly, and she cant see you as plain average. (again, if shes a hot babe)

But you can't say it's rare that an AVERAGE looking guy is with a HOT girl. Women's tastes aren't as weird as you think, it's very easy to spot when a girl that is clearly model quality is with a guy that looks just like your average joe.

Yeah, its very easy to spot couples like this. But the thing is, that average looking guy is actually good looking in her eyes. What is rare are couples where even she will admit hes not good looking or couples where the guy is clearly disgusting looking.

You see, alot of good looking guys appear average looking to other men. MEN ARE POOR JUDGES OF MALE ATTRACTIVENESS. Its very common for a woman to see a guy and blurt out "ohhh, hes hot!", and then her male friend looks over and sees him and thinks "uhh, okay, that guy is average looking". see what I mean? I mean, women think Scott peterson (the murderer) is good looking when I think most guys would rate him as average.

Not to mention women's taste varies. One woman's ugly is another's hot guy.

All this explains the hot girl-average joe observations perfectly. much better than a "looks dont matter" explanation.

I highly doubt that in all cases, the HB is just somehow extremely physically turned on by the average joe's features.

I never said this is the case ALL OF THE TIME. youre putting words in my mouth. But remember, MEN ARE POOR JUDGES OF MALE ATTRACTIVENESS. most guys who are good looking to women, you will probabily rate as average! Men are usually poor judges. we are accurate some of the time, but hardly all of the time.

Also, your forgetting now, women's tastes are subjective. For example, Some women actually think a kind of big nose is actually hot to them. they get turned on by it. Again, women's tastes are not objective. One woman's ugly guy is anothers hottie.

Maybe it is rare that an UGLY guy is, but if a chick looks at you and you look at least acceptable (key being that she doesn't have to immediately be PHYSICALLY ATTRACTED to you) then you have a shot to win her over with your game.

yes, this is true IF the girl is NOT an HB. average looking chicks have lower standards, so do the "cute" ones. But we are talking about the really hot babes here. the playboy playmate look alikes. THese ones, she must see you as alteast cute.

Tell me, do you think it's impossible for someone whose not initially physically attractive to a woman to turn a woman on with his words and personality?

yes, again, if the woman is ugly or average, anything is possible. ANd there do exist some anomalies in the Hot babe population, but they are rare.

Think about it the other way around. If an average looking girl who you weren't really attracted to started acting real sexy, touching you, teasing you (not DJ/CNF teasing, sexual teasing), you'd probably be eventually willing to hook up with her.

Well Im a good looking guy. I can do way better than that, so no. but you being a not so good looking guy, youll probably do it. See your own "demand" to the opposite sex actually effects your standards or your "price", works the same way with women.

If you're just ugly, then oftentimes you'll just be disqualified right away because they probably won't want to sleep with someone they are physically repulsed by. But you will still be able to pull chicks by turning them on with your WORDS and with your PERSONALITY.

If you are ugly and repulsive, and shes a hot babe, theres like a 1/200 chance that youll be able to turn her on with your words and personality, otherwise it aint gonna happen.

Now if shes ugly or average looking......you have a good chance.

Sexual attraction for females CAN BE CREATED BY PERSONALITY. You can turn a woman on with words and make her feel the same way she does when she sees a hot guy.

Not if shes a hot babe AND she doesnt think your atleast cute (statistically speaking)

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

I could talk about 9/10 of the main ideas, but I would then be accused of dodging arguments.

Still havent posted your source for that poll you speak of.

EVERYONE, DONT LISTEN TO DEUS, HE LIKES TO MAKE UP PHONY BULLSH!T EVIDENCE!!!

So wheres your credibility Deus ex pianoforte?

 

[ricorico]

Men and women are the same. Some have weird taste as I have shown. Some decent looking guys who are in shapw love fat girls. Others are chubby chasers. Some guys like redheads with freckles ect. I have seen guys call a girl hot,which made me wonder what the hell they were smoking! Good looks is in the eye of the beholder.

Also a lot of guys are forgetting women will date men simply because they think he has potential or money. Men don't do that cause we can't fake attraction. Go to any women's honest forums and they will honestly admit they fake it a lot.So many times you may see a woman with an ugly guy how do you know it's not money she is after?

I know a girl who is married to a real doofus. Chick is hot with a great body. His parents insisted she sign a pre-nup because tehy are filthy rich . She would not do it and he eventually came around and literally begged his parents to let the issue go. Now they are married and the "newlyweds" live in a 2 million dollar(not that big in Los Angeles) home. If you saw those two walking down the street, you would think this guy is a player who has game. But reality is, he is whipped and if he did not work in his paren'ts business and stand to inherit a boatload of money, she would not be around. I really don't think she's attracted to him at all cause she brings up her bad-boy non-commitment ex all the time.

I also know a guy who is a doctor but looks retarded. I'm not kiding. Pale skin,limp hands,chinless and thin. But he marrried the first girl he got a date with. This is serious. He was in his 30's before he asked a girl out and she accepted. Anyway girl is not a 10, but about a 7.5 or 8 with a huge rack and skinny body. She barely gave him a peck at the wedding and even folks who were invited were joking about this couple.

Also, don't even get me started on low self esteem girls who can't keep a good looking guy so they lower their standards,therefore having no competition. Girls don't have to have sexual attraction to a guy to date him. They just have to think they are getting something out of it. Money,a doormat to boss around and worship them,whatever. They will Fkk the guy they think is hot on the side. Anyone who still thinks girls are so virtous, they need to have feelings for a guy to fkk him either does'nt go out much or is living in a muslim country.

 

[Cash37]

If you cold approached and properly macked 100 women with an average body you may end up sleeping with 20.

If you cold approached and properly macked the same 100 women with a lean muscular physique you may end up sleeping with around 50.

So yes, they do matter with regards to your odds. Approach and game will get you laid regardless and if only everyone here believed that, they would be getting laid more often

Where are your numbers coming from?

 

[S.S.N. 318]

Women are self-absorbed airheads, for the most part. This mindset is absolutely pathetic in my opinion.

So True cuzz...Verry pathetic at that...

 

[ricorico]

One of my friends lead me to this website. She says this is how girls really talk about guys. Yep, just as shallow. Just more in denial about their wants and willing to sell their sould to the guy with the most cash, or the doormat who will put up will all their BS and hold their purse while they spend his money!
Caution: Nude guys alert! This is what some women do in their spare time. And they think we are shallow!!!
http://www.hollywoodrag.com/index.php?/forums/viewthread/132/

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

One of my friends lead me to this website. She says this is how girls really talk about guys. Yep, just as shallow. Just more in denial about their wants and willing to sell their sould to the guy with the most cash, or the doormat who will put up will all their BS and hold their purse while they spend his money!
Caution: Nude guys alert! This is what some women do in their spare time. And they think we are shallow!!!
http://www.hollywoodrag.com/index.php?/forums/viewthread/132/

great link, youre good at doing your homework rico.

Is it me, or am I the only one noticing that evidence just keeps mounting and mounting and mounting that points to women caring about looks as much as men, being as shallow as men, and basically demonstrating mate selection behavior identical to that seen in men? I know Im not crazy.

yet you poor little "looks DONT matter" (Deus et al.) fools cant seem to produce sh1t. Speaking of inability to produce evidence...Deus, now wheres your poll source again? :crackup:

yep, looks matter, get over it.

 

[DJmindTricks]

^^^i totally agree that women care about looks just as much as men(or rather almost as much as men), they are just a little more subtle about it around men. On the other hand, i do agree that Women are easily swayed by personality (so long as the man passed with at least a "C" on the looks test), moreso than men are swayed by personaily.

So in essence women may actually be the ones that get the short end of the stick, because looking fantastic is pretty much a requirement for them

whereas men can bang real hotties(most of the time) by looking average or above average and by having a great personality and good game...no such luck for most women that are trying to attract CONFIDENT hot guys(not the insecure ones).

I also totally agree on the perception thing you posted, Men ARE NOT a good judge of other men's looks. There are just as many good-looking guys as there are good-looking women.

Some ppl might not like this, but i think men are too harsh on themselves as far as how they look, or how other men look. There are guys that most men think are average-looking that women think are "flaming-Hawt". Just like the scott peterson example. So just being confident in your looks can really take you a long way, not to mention taking care of yourself.

Looks definitely give a good impression, and get the woman to open up to you, now they are not EVERYTHING, but i think looks DO matter, i'd give looks a good 30-40% of the equation.

 

[ricorico]

Just read the whole link. Those girls are more brutal than men. Ever see a girl break up with a guy then start poking fun at his member? She will laugh about it with all of her friends. But when she was with him she would probably lie and tell him how big it is. Girls love to BS guys so they can keep them around to be doormats or ATM's. That's the truth.

 

[DJmindTricks]

Sorry to double post, something is going on with my javascript.

Men have it easy in my opinion, as long as they have game and are decent-fairly good-looking, they have a chance with hot girls.

To men(Especially confident, good looking guys), looks are 80-90% importance when looking for a woman

 

[DJmindTricks]

Just read the whole link. Those girls are more brutal than men. Ever see a girl break up with a guy then start poking fun at his member? She will laugh about it with all of her friends. But when she was with him she would probably lie and tell him how big it is. Girls love to BS guys so they can keep them around to be doormats or ATM's. That's the truth.

Then again, i also agree that girls are shrewd, evil, deceitful she-devils. I mean they dont even like eachother most of the time.

 

[DJmindTricks]

This was originally posted by a person on that link

"This thread made me happy today grin One thing I noticed, when men post naked lady pictures there is almost ALWAYS some jackass that says something like “she’d be hot if her boobs were bigger” etc. I haven’t seen ONE post here that said “He’d be hot if his **** was bigger.” Women kick assgrin I’m not saying ALL guys are superficial jerks, it just seems alot of them are stuck on “size” more than women and are really quick to tear apart a woman’s natural body and expect them to “do something” about their smaller breasts etc. They talk like there is something WRONG with being smaller and/or natural! I think there was one post about Brad Pitt not being overly lucky in the package department, but nothing degrading was saidgrin
Thanks ladies for starting this thread, it’s nice to see some men instead of women for a chan"ge

See, like i said, women are more lenient on men as far as looks go. So really, most men have a good chance (as long as your not repulsively hideous) Its hard for men to tell if another guy is good looking. I know its just one example, but yeah.

 

[ricorico]

DJ,

I guess you did'nt notice the fact some posted remarks about bigger members. The reason they did'nt make fun of body parts is because the guys were mostly in shape. One did poke fun at the fat Santa Claus ,though most preferred to ignore his pic and droll at the fit guys. But they were especially drooling at the transexual Alexis Arquette's member so they are pretty shallow.

 

[ricorico]

[It's hard for men to tell if another guy is good-looking.



Shhh! Rico hasn't found that out, yet. [/QUOTE]


Deus, some guys can't figure ourt which girls are good looking too. Paris Hilton, Cameron Diaz and Julia Roberts are Fugg. But some guys still haven't figured that out. I posted a link to pics where fit guys were PAYING to go to parties where 300-400 lb women they consider attractive are . Some guys are clueless too. It proves nothing but the fact both sexes have preferences which are not the norm.

Check out porn sites. They are making huge amounts of money off guys who secretly love Obese girls,Women as old as your grandma with no teeth, amputees, midgets ect.Gross women that would make you and I and most guys here throw up. Those are not socially accepeted and there are tons of guys forking up the MUCHO cash to secretly watch those sick sites at home.

Does that mean guys don't care about looks? No. Just means those guys are sickos with huge insecurity issues.

Why would anyone want a beat up old ugly car if you can drive a Rolls?? Because they don't feel deserving of the Rolls as they have LSE.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Are you serious? You find some random celebrity nude pic site, and this somehow props up your looks-matter crap? So if I find a snuff site where the women are commenting on how great the videos are, can I use this as evidence for murder mattering? So if I find a snuff site where the women are commenting on how great the videos are, can I use this as evidence for murder mattering? Can I start "Being the victim of homocide matters!!!" threads incessantly despite the banning of such threads, and quip nonsensical remarks such as "yep, we can see here that murder IS in fact important to women :yes:" and "anybody else notice how the evidence is stacking up against the murder doesn't matter fools? "

If this were the only evidence that has ever been posted about looks mattering, then what you say about it being meaningless could make sense.

BUT!

There has been mounds and mounds of other evidence that rico as well as many others have posted(including myself) that are in agreement with what rico has provided here. Together, each piece of evidence brings the big picture more into focus. And that pictures is of "LOOKS MATTERING".

You dont look at a piece of evidence alone or by itself, THATS NOT SCIENTIFIC! You look at all pieces of relevent evidence together and form a conclusion that explains all of them. I can tell you are scientifically illiterate Deus!

If you tried to find some celebrity website about snuff films, and then go and claim that "murder matters", IT WOULDNT WORK! why? becuase all other pieces of evidence would suggest otherwise. Becuase such a claim is not true, therefore its impossible to find a large set of evidence that would fit with such an absurd claim. All other evidence would conflict with the conclusion that murder matters. Now, if you want to be UNscientific, and tell a lie (which you are notorious for doing), you could probably use that piece of evidence alone, and "murder mattering" might make sense. But that wouldnt be scientific now would it?

See how science works? now go educate yourself son, go back to school.

Know that according to scientific means of explaining reality, the theory of "looks matters" makes far more sense than any kind of rediculous theory of "looks DONT matter".