Looks are more important than you think! Merged [Official thread]

[God_of_getting_layed]

I use those polls only as a form of proof to destroy the looks-matter cult. This fact is apparent in everything a woman says, does, and carries herself.

1. You have yet to even provide your source, so why should we beleive what you say about the polls?




2. Assuming you do provide your source, and its all legit, it still doesnt destroy the looks matter theory.

You see, to be scientific, youll need to come up with a theory that explains ALL RELEVANT OBSERVATIONS, all of them! not just one, not just 2 of them, all of them!

This means for your case, youll need a "looks dont matter" theory that can explain the results of your poll AND explain why women at clubs wont even dance with you if you dont look good to them let alone fvck you AND explain the comments on the xanga site that strongly suggest women place an importance on looks AND explain why hideously ugly guys with hot women are rare AND why we dont see boatloads of good looking guys with no game going overseas to buy themselves a hot bride (only fuglies do this) AND why women like to check guys bodies out and look at good looking men (signs of vision based mate selection behavior) and the countless other credible examples/observations that I just cant list outbecuase theres too many of them.

You will not be able to come up with a theory that says looks dont matter and explain all these observations at the same time. YOU JUST WONT BE ABLE TO DO IT.

I on the other hand can explain all these observations including your poll with a "looks matter" theory:


Women are just like men, they want a good looking guy, if shes hot, theres a very very high probability shell require it, and your poll's results are just a consequence of deceptive answers; the women dont want to appear shallow.

see how easy that was?, now its your turn deus, (or anyone else), see if you can explain All of this using a looks dont matter theory.

I DARE YOU!

 

[everywomanshero]

My experience and research

I think looks both matter and they don't matter that much. Let me explain.

When I am looking sharp and just had my hair styled, I get ****loads of IOIs just walking around the mall. Women looking too long and so forth. Often women will open me either by finding some reason to talk to me (contextual)or in one case (in the food court this happened like a month ago) opening me with a HI, and making out with me in within 5 minutes (not solid game but I was actually meeting someone else and waiting on her lol).

On the other hand, when I am in awesome state and feel like I just won a million dollars, sets fly open and sail smooth like Im some kind of freaking master. However, I dont get opened, I have to approach usually.

When I am out with hot black women (I have no idea why this is) I will get opened by white women repeatadly. As a field test I tried to go out with unattractive black women and it had no such effect. Ive talked to other guys who have found this also, but it's too soon to tell if this is regional or something more general. Please field test this guys, I discovered this by accident and since I was with the hottie, there wasnt much I could do to take advantage (she was cool so no pawning her).

Now from a research perspective, women in self-reports place less emphasis on physical features than men do. Both men & women rate personality characteristics as more important than looks for an LTR. A greater emphasis by both men & women is placed on physical features for a sexual relationship.

However, I think this is biased by self-presentation. How many guys really want a relationship with a 600lbs woman with a great personality? Let's not throw common sense out the window!

In a study of men & women at a dance, physical attractiveness was found to be the most important characteristic associated with whether or not men & women wanted to go out on a date with the other person. This supports the notion that what people say does not match their actual behavior.

Then there's always the arguement that women & men have different versions of what is attractive. Many people (myself included) feel that guys do not have to have the most picture perfect face on earth to be considered attractive. Having some class, good fashion, a modern hairstyle suited to the person, and being well groomed go a long way. Since the onus is usually on the guy to attract and get women to chase him, I still say personality, attitude, and a willingness to try matter much more than looks in terms of total numbers of lays. A great looking guy who never initiates will get laid less often than an average looking (but well groomed and styled) guy who initiates and learns the lessons. The mating dance can be learned and every little step helps.

 

[ricorico]

Deus,

guys like this are all over POOR foreign countries to try to pick up HB's in desperation. Rarely do you see a good-looking one. They think they have game and act like they deserve hot women. Confidence is not their problem, dillusion is.

My uncle is an immigration lawyer and he says divorce rate for these guys are high. It gets so bad sometimes the girls can't stand to have to sleep with these goofballs another day and file false charges against them. Some of girls are also on a Russian language forum laughing at all the uglies that come visit. Some ask if there are any normal weight or decent looking American men as all they see are guys who look like they have been released from the zoo!!

http://www.loveme.com/tour1/photos/women_tour_spb-novgorod_0704/women_tour_spb-novgorod_0704_30.jpg

http://www.loveme.com/tour1/photos/women_tour_petersburg_09-2006/women_tour_petersburg_09-2006_0.jpg

 

[Serialized3]

I can see why you may be confused. Occasionally I have to reiterate my position. When I say looks don't matter, I'm referring to the fact that good looks are not a prerequisite to get gorgeous women on their backs. This is not to say that women walk around looking at men and see nothing but heads with blank patches of flesh on the front, but only that there is no man average or ugly to the point where no amount of game, confidence, and personality will overshadow it.

If I had to ballpark the percentage, I'd put it somewhere around 5%.

So do you think that being physically attracive gives you an immediate advantage over other men or not?

 

[Ripper]

Celebrity cases don't really concern me.

This is a major flaw in the whole debate. Everyone is precluding celebs because they're famous and acting as if you're either famous or you're not. Not true. It's a spectrum. For example, take the governor of Texas, he's famous within Texas and probably known a bit throughout America. But no-one anywhere else in the world really knows him. My point is, there are levels of fame and it is a factor just in the way that looks, money, status, personality etc. are.

So to relate to the debate, looks matters guys shouldn't say 'they don't count' as if they're lumping them all together and then counting fame as the single thing which allows them to attract people of the opposite sex.

 

[blueguy]

The point was that polls are demonstrative of what women SAY.

It can't be stressed enough. You can't trust what women say to other people. Humans will always defend things that benefit them and criticize things that hurt them. It's the only way to validate their existence in the eyes of other people. Anything else is admitting to defeat. If a woman cannot get a model, she will always say something like, "besides, I like a little chub on my guy." (or better yet calling it meat since "meat" implicates something healthy sounding - even though we all know meat refers to muscle) Or, "models are boring" (which may or may not be the case... as with any human) She will not say things to other people like, "I will never be valuable enough to date a super hot guy" or "His personality is just so much more charasmatic than mine. I am too depressed, he would never want me."

 

[Obsidian]

You fools are living under a delusion. Women are attracted to power; men are attracted to beauty. Step out of the matrix and quit assuming that the same qualities attract both sexes. Have you learned nothing from this website? This thread should be closed, according to forum rules.

And all you beauty-worshippers should be banned. You are a disgrace to mankind.

When you see a metrosexual, call him "princess." That is the correct name for such creatures.

 

[Master Bates]

You fools are living under a delusion. Women are attracted to power; men are attracted to beauty. Step out of the matrix and quit assuming that the same qualities attract both sexes. Have you learned nothing from this website? This thread should be closed, according to forum rules.

And all you beauty-worshippers should be banned. You are a disgrace to mankind.

Shutup you tard. Everyone's attracted to beauty, even if men are more so than women. Yes there are other elements like personality, power, money etc., but if you think looks don't contribute to a guy's attractiveness, you're D-E-L-U-S-I-O-N-A-L.

 

[ricorico]

Yeah,

Put Steven Spielsberg near George Cloney and see who can get more chicks!!!

George Lucas
http://www.cinefania.com/pics/personas/1/12240.jpg
next to Brad Pitt
http://www.piperpotter.blogger.com.br/Brad Pitt.jpg

and see who gets more attention. Sure power is great for woman who are money hungry and willing to forego sexual attraction for cash! But power and looks makes a girl just grateful to get your attention, Even if she's an HB 9.5!!

 

[Michele l'Arcangelo]

You fools are living under a delusion. Women are attracted to power; men are attracted to beauty. Step out of the matrix and quit assuming that the same qualities attract both sexes. Have you learned nothing from this website? This thread should be closed, according to forum rules.

And all you beauty-worshippers should be banned. You are a disgrace to mankind.

hey dumbass... this wasn't about the typical looks vs. personality.

this was about what the girls were saying in response to that blog thing. (in other words, whats your opinion on what the ladies are responding with?)

but i guess from what we have learned from this "website" (not the useful threads... but the useless **** that idiots take out of good threads and distort in favor of themselves not wanting to change their ways) we can safely assume this is the 1950's where we can just say women are being silly creatures thinking that their opinion matters.

it's just that everyone wants to feel important by sharing their piece of info that they stole from previous looks vs. personality threads.

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but we know what some girls' opinions are already. Wyld's, etc... chicks that been here since 2001 giving advice and helping people... too bad their credibility was taken away by dumbasses who registered in '06 and '07. and for some reason they feel that just because some girls crushed their ego... they need to act like an ass to every female on the planet... even if those women are trying to help them (with great advice or REAL opinions).

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

You fools are living under a delusion. Women are attracted to power; men are attracted to beauty. Step out of the matrix and quit assuming that the same qualities attract both sexes. Have you learned nothing from this website? This thread should be closed, according to forum rules.

And all you beauty-worshippers should be banned. You are a disgrace to mankind.

Sorry man, you are the one living in the matrix.

I BET YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PRODUCE A SHRED OF CREDIBLE EVIDENCE THAT SAYS WE ARE WRONG ABOUT WOMEN BEING ATTRACTED TO LOOKS AS OPPOSED TO POWER.

PROVE IT!!!

 

[ricorico]

Deus,

You're about a 7 so do you say you have a slight advantage over a guy who looks like James Franco or "The Rock"? The advantage for a guy or GIRL who is a 7 or 8 is they will get approached more often because they are seen as much more likely to date then a 9 or a 10. But come to Los Angeles and you'll see plenty of good-looking male model "himbo's" who really do not work, because there is sooooooo much competition for acrting and modeling. But they drive nice cars, go to nice restaurants,wear designer duds. they live off women with money. They do so because they can. Ugly guys here have to work as hard as ugly girls. But the young European wannabee guys that look like Haley Berry's Adrian Aubrey have a free ride.

You wanna know something funny? The guy who played Joe Millionaire was not a construction worker making $24,000 a yaer like they said on TV. He worked at the Beverly Wilshire(Hotel) for about a milli-second before he became some 30 something women's boy-toy. Why do you think he was able to have the oppurtunity to do the show? Because after he was with her, he fell into the right circles.

 

[ricorico]

Deus, here is a girl who thinks like you in a way. jsut opposite.

She wants to know why good-looking guys all like ugly girls? What planet she lives on she sees that going on, I don't know. But you might.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070319224754AADaJQf

 

[ricorico]

That's funny. You're so far gone, so deeply entrenched in this looks-matter stuff, that you truly cannot comprehend a good-looking guy dating a less than attractive woman. Sad, dude. Really. I hope you make it out on the other end okay.

The reason for these occurences (which are quite common), are mainly due to confidence and insecurity issues. I also speak from personal experience.

That's why hot girls will date fugly guys. Because they too suffer from low self esteem and insecurity issues. I had a link(for some reason there were problems with the link) from a phsycholgist that described that phenomenon. His take is evolution states people mate with like attractive people. Otherwise, money or other things come into the equation. TYhe reason beautiful women will date uggs is due to VERy low self esteem from issues with upbringing. I dare you to find attractive women who will date uggs who do not have some sort of weird issue. carmen Electra is a great example. The girl looks good on the outside, but what a mess on the inside. Hence, she will date uggs as she really feels insecure. tara Patrick porn star the same. Tons of issues internally, but look good outside.

If girls did'nt care about looks,why then are these girls in my link even noticing good-looking guys who date fuggs? Would'nt they be blind to it and not care? Should'nt they be talking about who "confident guys " are dating?

By the way, you sure are hung up on your looks. 7.5 is lowest yoou've ever gotten.LOL!!!! You must live in one UGLY town!!!! In the real world were people are honest, that's what you will get AT BEST!!!.

As of me being gay, Dude, I had suggested before, the reason you may not pick up chicks is because YOU look gay and their Gaydar is up. So don't try to put the spin on me cause UI tell you the truth that you are NOT as good-looking as in your dillusional head!!!You do not look masculine and that's your problem. You look like the Gay dudes in West Hollywood and would fit in perfectly there. That is why women look at you and look away. They sense your gayness!

 

[Serialized3]

Depends on the level of attractiveness, in my opinion. Men who are 7's and 8's may enjoy a very slight advantage over other men, but anything over that, and you're looking at a major disadvantage, regardless of what some of these guys are turning red in the face are trying to get us to believe.

However, being nicely dressed will give you a much bigger advantage than facial structure ever could. This is why these looks-matter guys are obsessed. They chose something completely irrelevant, something so insignificant to what really matters in the dating world and chose to focus almost EXCLUSIVELY on this one aspect...even going so far as to keep making threads devoted to this one aspect, in spite of the fact that these such threads are banned.

Seems like we're sort of on the same page here, that being better looking than average gives you an advantage when you first meet a woman. Like some say, I believe looks get you the interview, but personality gets you the job.

I don't know if being better looking than a 7 or 8 (as I'm no higher than an 8 myself) would give you a disadvantage though. It would seem very possible that most girls would see you as 'hot', but the girls with lower self-esteem could find you somewhat intimidating. I guess that would make it easier to qualify women with high self-esteem as they would be the ones that would be more obviously comfortable talking to you. But then you would just have to adjust your game to make them feel more comfortable around you.

As for the clothes thing, I've experimented with wearing both dressy clothes and clothes that fit my style. It seems to me that the dressy clothes attract a wide range of women, while my style attracts a few types of girls (why my take on the skater/snowboarder look attracts mostly "good" girls, preppy girls and hippie chicks I'll never understand, you would think it would attract skater chicks...) But women are attracted no matter what I wear. I haven't taken any Gallup polls about which style attracts numerically more women, but I don't have problems with attracting them. I guess what I took away from it is that as long as you have a sense of style and are confident in what you wear, you can pull girls.

 

[ricorico]

According to Deus,

The guy who played Screech has just as much chance of getting lucky with HB's as mario Lopez or the guy who played Zach. Funny Screech has attitude and confidence, yet he ends up with fuggs and rejects of the other 2. Lopez was married to that hot Landry chick but cheated on her on his honeymoon with one of the gazillion wome willing to get together with him.

 

[ricorico]

Deus,

Camaron Diaz is UGLY!! Pugg nose,crocodile mouth.6 strands of hair without those extensions. Never understood what JT saw in her.

OK Deus, now let me humor you and say you are good looking.
Here's a scenario.

Deus sees good-looking girl. Girl sees Deus and like Deus. Waits for Deus to show interest, give eye contact,start talking to her. Deus does none of the above. The girl knowing guys will usually go up to talk a girl if he is interested thinks Dues may not find her attractive,Deus has a girlfriend or Deus is gay.Deus instead of using his advantage does not. Deus thinks looks don't matter cause if it did she would have run up to talk to him because we all know girls make the first contact all the time. Deus would you do this in business? Let's say you have a great resume and get lots of interest from companies. Do you go to your interviews and do nothing to sell yourself and show your assertiveness. Then say a great resume is not important? It gets you in the door!!! What you do with that advantage is completely up to you!!!It will be a hell of a lot easier to get into a great company with a great resume and a great sense of self ,and verbal skills. We already know this guy has the intelligence proven with his resume, but they are looking for more. But a guy with a so-so resume who had a much harder time getting interviews may get the job if he is smart enough to use his use his intelligence and great verbal skills to get in.

Scenario #2. Deus sees cute girl. Girl sees Deus and thinks him attractive. Deus goes up and talks to her. She is receptive because she has noticed him and was hoping he would come talk to her. Deus ask her for her phone number so he can take her out. Girl gives it. Glad Deus approached her because otherwise,she would not have approached him unless she has ultra high self esteem ,which unfortunately many women do not have. Good-looking men scare 70% of women who prefer them, but think they cannot get a guy with good looks and keep him interested.

 

[Ripper]

Excessive exclamation points aside, your scenario is fundamentally flawed. You're equating looks with "a great resume", when personality, confidence, and presenting yourself well would be a much more appropriate fit.

No. He's correct to draw the analogy he has. The whole essence of the 'resume-job' analogy is that employers reject some people based on their resumes solely. This is analogous to people who reject members of the opposite sex based on their looks (without waiting to see what their personalities/confidence are like).

 

[ricorico]

Deus,

If you are looking for a job with a top firm everyone wants to get into, beleive me they pick their prospects from resume. Then they interview to see who from the X amount of prospects has it all overall.

 

[ricorico]

Nice.


Easy. He makes himself available, and is viewed as approachable by women. I've interacted with women before on MANY ocassions, with not so much as a smile...let alone an "approach". I don't smile, initiate conversation, or look anywhere but straight ahead when I walk. Sometimes, I'll later find out that said woman wanted my come on their face. Too bad for us, I suppose...because some douchebag with confidence and game that stumbled in from off the street after finishing his last 40 is the one giving her the pearl necklace. It's all an illusion, man. We're barely out of the jungle, here. Humans still operate on a very primal level, regardless of the celebrity magazines, cell phones, and the Internet.



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Deus, yopu don't do anything to show women interest. You walk around like a robot and then think they are all supposed to run up and talk to you because you are Deus? yes, some guys are lucky enough to have women come up and talk to them. But those women are usually very confident and that is not common.
You remind me of some guy who wants to win the lottery,complains but will never play. YOU have to initiate 95% of the time with women. Otherwise they think you are not attracted to them,have a girl or are gay.

I don't know how many times I have heard a girl claim a guy to be gay because she thinks he is cute, but he showed no interest in her. So therefore something must be wrong with him. Easy answer to a girl is that he MUST be gay. They never assume the guy is shy or has LSE if he is good-looking. You seriously need people skills when it comes to women. Walking around like a robot is not going to get you laid. Get help for your HB phobia. Join a class where there are lots of women and a few guys and start talking. I suggested before you get a dog or borrow one. DO SOMETHING!!!!

You know, if the shoe was on the other foot and there was a HB who walked around staring straight ahead,no smile, no interaction I'm sure a lot of guys would not approach her either. You have to allow people to want to get into your space. make them comfortable.

Many of the good-looking guys I know say they always have to approach a woman first with a friendly attitude. They have learned to be less intimidating and more open with facial expressions and body language.

Women are suspicious of them immedietly because of their looks and think they must have lots of girls and must be conceited and full of themselves. So they have to down-play the attitude. In the very same way a HB who you may initially think a snob when you see her looks comes off as a very friendly and genuine person. Because of that attitude that HB will have a hell of a lot more guys approaching her than the one who acts like a robot with her body language and every guy assumes is just a snob. But she may actually just be shy. But in the real world a good-looking guy and girl with little people skills will always get less approaches than an average guy or girl who knows to be open and friendly with the opposite sex.

You act like it's just guys who get the low end of the deal when they have no ooposite sex skills. It happens to women too. 2 girls together one a 9, the other a 7 may see that the not so hot friend gets a lot more play then HB does. because HB will not look at guys,will not approach, smile ect. Then whine about how the great guys will ignore her and talk to the average one because in her mind he wants an easy lay.

It's not that all the guys want an easy lay and talk to the average one as opposed the the better looking one. It' s that the average one is approachable and has learned to maxime her chances at getting men with her personality . The beautiful one has not learned to maximize her chances . She thinks her looks alone should do it all. Then she tells herself the plainer girls get approached more because all guys want an easy lay . She is in denial her personality is what makes them approach her less than her friend,preferring to beleive it's not her. It's them. Which girl is the smart one???