Looks are more important than you think! Merged [Official thread]

[Francisco d'Anconia]

oh snap (as Francisco and Deus high five). Good one. It's nice to see that Deus' apprentice didn't leave at all, but just was hiding while the war was raging. Sorry guys, you lost.

Aren't you guys going to do something? Anything?

 

[Aprenti$playa&pimp]

I think we should continue the debate. There were pretty good arguments on both sides until the good posters god tired of the flame war between Deus and the other 10 guys against him. I even had one or two myself I think.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I think we should continue the debate. There were pretty good arguments on both sides until the good posters god tired of the flame war between Deus and the other 10 guys against him. I even had one or two myself I think.

All I'd like to know why the guys who believe looks are the be all and end all to sarging stick around this forum. It would be sad that they actually believed that they'd be able to enhance their looks by spamming a forum focused on skills and self improvement.

 

[DJsomeday]

someone should put the best arguments in a thread or something to show it, you know i don't want to go through 70+ pages to see them so ppl that posted in this thread if you are kind enough plz select your best arguments and tie them together.

EDIT: i'd like to finish saying that theres no absolute truth, just points of view, so please take it easy and try to learn from each other instead of imposing your ideas, goodbye guys.

 

[skip the pimp]

here - my initial post that was MERGED with this stupid thread from the past - my initial post sums up the key argument, and i will combine it here with a post i made later on too.........this is THE main argument about looks MATTERING:




Okay, look, this post marks the end of the looks debate. Period.

LOOKS MATTER MORE THAN ANYTHING IN EVERY SINGLE ASPECT OF WOMEN.

Looks are not just important, but they are 90% of what gets you laid, what gets you a LTR, and also LACK of looks is the reason you get dumped, rejected, and everythign else that most losers here complain about!

Am I pulling this all outta thin air??? **** NO! I am about to provide you with numerous examples from MY OWN EXPERIENCES detailing just how much looks ****ing matter! I will also use a general argument as well.

My examples:

1) My hb9.5 who I was seeing for 3 weeks, who I ****ed after 2 weeks when we rented the hotel. Let me tell you how I ended up ****ing her. I showed up and persisted….thats it……..in fact, I was acting like a total AFC the night I ****ed her, cuz I flipped out at her 5 or 6 times over little things, I showed insecurity, I showed neediness, and I showed desperation. Oh, but heres the missing link – she thinks im just sooo really cute, so of course when I started kissing her on the bed and slowly getting into her pants, she was turned on!! WHY??? NOT CUZ OF MY PERSONALITY, I WAS HORRIBLE THAT NIGHT. I WAS THE BIGGEST CHUMP……….but she LOVED how I looked and how it felt to kiss me and how I was turnin her on, so? We ****ed 3 times that night.

2) another hb9 – just a week ago……..she musta said im handsome and sexy numerous times thruout the evening, this all despite the fact that we were hangin out with her friends, and I was a little chump who didn’t say anythign cuz I felt uncomfortable in front of her friends. What did I do? After an hour of absolutely nothing, I simply took her and tackled her from the living room into the bedroom, and of course cuz she thought im hot, she had no objections – DESPITE MY OBVIOUS LACK OF GAME THAT NIGHT…….i ****ed her REALLY good that night, also 3 times (my magic # I think lol)……..what kept her so interested??? Well lets look at some of the things she told me as we layed in bed naked: “your eyes are so beautiful, I love them”…….”you are soooo sexy”……..”I love kissing u”……..”I love how u touch me” – ALL OF THESE ARE LOOKS RELATED.

Ok enough random hookup examples, how bout some relationship examples?

3) I had 1 gf for 3 months once, I was in my AFC days cuz that was over 3 years ago……..well, she thought I was hot. I supplicated, I got mad easy, I bought her gifts……..did I mention I also ****ed her 2 times every time I saw her. Why? CUZ SHE THOUGTH I WAS HOT…..she really could not say anything else that’s good about me (other than maybe that I was sweet). Did I run game on her? NO. Did I look like the prize? NO (I told her how special she was and how happy I was to have her). Did I **** her all the time simply due to her loving how I looked? YES

4) Gf for 5 months, shes an hb7, pretty cute, and what she said to me on the 1st date was “you are so gorgeous, I cant believe u are even here with me”………from there on out, she ****s on demand whenever I want. All we do is argue and get mad at each other all the time. I don’t consider her that serious, but she LOVES me soooo much, and I attribute most of that to how gorgeous and hot she thinks I am.

Side note: I PERSONALLY do not think I am THAT hot, but in the eyes of some girls, apparently I am.

Ok, enough relationship examples, how bout some INTERNET examples

5-1000) ok well its very simple here…….if a girl thinks ur hot, she will give you her sn, she will give u her number, and she will want to hang out, but if a girl thinks your looks are not good enough for her, then you will have NO chance.

Cold approach examples:

1001 – 1100) yea this is not examples about me, but GENERAL examples: Try going up to 100 girls, I GAURANTEE YOU that every girl that rejects u will be a girl who did not think you were hot//sexy/handsome enough for her time. At the same time, every girl that is warm, open, gives u her #, even gives u a kiss right there on the spot, u better be DAMN sure that she thought u were hot (in her eyes).

Clubs – guess what???? If ur ugly and u want some pvssy at clubs, u arent gonna get anythign over a hb6, so get over it. At the same time, if a beefy sexy guy walks in and tries to talk to an hb9, she will be all googoo gaga with her mouth drueling for some of that hot muscular d1ck (im not kiddign u, this is the COLD HARD TRUTH THAT NONE OF U CAN HANDLE). Yes the non muscular really attractive slim guy also has his chances, but muscle is INSTANT attraction for beautiful women, and hot cute a guy’s face is also plays a key factor.

So then what about personality??? Yea, the hotter u are, the less game/personality u need to land hot chicks. This means that if you are hot AND you got a lovable personality, then u ARE KING – get raedy for the best girls to fall for u, and fall for u fast.

Side note: Money and Fame always ALWAYS help, so that is not an argument against this.



GOD I dunno what more to say about all this. ANYONE can be hot, u need to just

Go to the gym
Work on ur tan
Work on ur clothes
Work on ur hair


Now listen, if YOU feel that u saw some guy who is a 4/10 with some chick whos a 9/10, then let me remind you, THAT particular girl thinks the guy is an 8 or a 9, and because she is satisfied with his looks, that is MOSTLY why she ever gave him a chance with her in the first place.

A hot guy with game is unstoppable!!!!!!!!!!!!!! An ugly guy with game will get 10fold less chicks than a hot guy with game…….HOW CAN ANYONE EVEN ARGUE WITH THAT??? Yes if ur hot and u are a social retard, u will SUCK AT LIFE.

But wtf, u might not know this, but the hotter more attractive men are the ones who naturally get out in the real world and socialize because SUBCONCIOUSLY, they look at themselves, and they want themselves to be known and shown to the world – they subconciously want to SHOW OFF……….at the same time, the ugly guy sits at home and wants to be isolated from the public.

Now don’t ****in call me a keyboard jockey or w.e the **** that is cuz I provided u real life examples of how I got the pvssy solely on looks. Every # u get, every kiss u get, every piece of ass u get – u get it because the girl giving it to u thinks u are GOOD LOOKING ENOUGH FOR HER, or maybe even TOO HOT FOR HER, so she feels the urge to just wanna b all over u.

My advice to all of u, to ALL of you is:

BE AS GOOD LOOKING AS POSSIBLE, THAT IS THE WAY TO THE BEST LOOKING GIRLS (AND I KNOW YOU ALL WANT THOSE HOTTIES THAT U JACK OFF TO EVERY NIGHT)



2nd post


Whenever a guy picks up a girl, it is due to simply 2 things:

1) SHE thinks that he is attractive enough FOR HER
2) he doesnt totally mess up and sound like Luke Skywalker

i kid u not, no matter how much game you have, the girl will disqualify u from any future contact (even if she gives u her #) if u dont meet her needs for looks........and HOT girls NEED a guy who is HOT too (what their definition of hot is a different story)

I know personally hot girls (hb9+) that find the following things very attractive about a guy's looks:

eyes
soft hair
a little fat mixed with some bulk
super skinny and tall
super muscular
tan
6 pacs
very nice smile
pearly white teeth
blowout (its a hair style)
shaved head
big big arms
big chest

as you can all see, some of these things YOU MEN would not look at a guy and say they are hot qualities - but i have come across girls who were crazy smokin hot in my lifetime who thought each of those qualities makes a man HOT IN THEIR EYES.

that is why, if a guy is slightly fat, short, not muscular at all, BUT he has a great smile, nice eyes, and wears his hair in a blowout (italian gotti style), then believe it, there will be hb9s and 10s who flat out think hes the sexiest thing alive!........while YOU chumps look at him and try to use him as an example that looks dont matter because to YOU (and u are all straight so this makes sense) he is more like a 4/10

 

[Docs]

He's backkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

 

[El Febreezey Da Beez]

Hate to sound melodramatic, but the Light always triumphs over the Dark.

Sorta sounds like you think that there is winning and losing with that statement.
...I warned you Deus, now I'm gonna do what I said I'd do.

 

[skip the pimp]

Skip, before you get banned for the Nth time, would you mind telling everyone what THIS guy needs to do to make himself hot? Do you recommend he starts with his hair, or working on his clothes first?

dude ur an idiot, and contrary to ur fantasy world belief, i dont get banned because i argue about looks..........i get banned because sosuave is going downhill with all the AFC'ness and stupid one liners (such as the one u just posted)

 

[El Febreezey Da Beez]

Deus lives in a dream world. I have to Deus, it is a noble concept, however romantic it may be, that anyone - despite their looks can get any girl as long as they know how to present themselves and talk. The problem is this isn't a perfect world where beauty comes from the inside.
I don’t care how you dress that guy up or teach him how to talk; he will not be pulling any HB.
Deus, you are an extremist, you take things too far with this looks debate and that's why so many people come after. Personally, I believe that if you are a 4 or 5 and have good game you CAN get a girl who is a 7. But if that same girl has a choice between a guy who is a 4 or 5 and a guy who is a 8 or 9, she will take the guy who is a 9.
You can't just take a picture of a hobo (that has been floating all over the net), and act like he could get any b1tch if he dressed well and could talk. You're out of line, even more than usual.

 

[El Febreezey Da Beez]

Skip, before you get banned for the Nth time, would you mind telling everyone what THIS guy needs to do to make himself hot? Do you recommend he starts with his hair, or working on his clothes first?

Furthermore, this is a prime example of you not sticking with your main argument just to take a pot shot at someone. Skip the pimp was basically arguing the point you have been trying to make for pages on end (albeit, not intentionally). You say that if you change your appearance, you can get chicks.

 

[skip the pimp]

someone should put the best arguments in a thread or something to show it, you know i don't want to go through 70+ pages to see them so ppl that posted in this thread if you are kind enough plz select your best arguments and tie them together.

EDIT: i'd like to finish saying that theres no absolute truth, just points of view, so please take it easy and try to learn from each other instead of imposing your ideas, goodbye guys.

you got wat u wanted - my initial argument that spurred this whole thread (before it was merged)........its that BIG post i made which is on this same page, i reposted it

 

[El Febreezey Da Beez]

However, I'll have to agree with you on your scenario of a woman choosing between an ugly man and a good-looking man. I'd like to even take it one step further if I may. Yes, looks CAN help you in some instances. It depends on the girl. For example, having a tattoo of a spider covering your entire face will definitely help when talking to certain girls. In fact, I'd venture to say that most goth chicks would choose spider-face any day over your average Brad Pitt lookalike. By that same token, you can choose almost any other more common trait and apply that to women. Money, cars, hair color, computer brand, level of your character of World of Warcraft. Any arbitrary trait, and there's bound to be a woman out there to choose a man mostly on this basis.

Nice to see we can find some middle ground. I'll give you credit for the comprimise.

No no no...you misunderstood. That wasn't meant as a pot shot. I was honestly wondering what Skip's recommendation was for that person to become "hot", as he clearly stated that "anyone can become hot." Since my imagination is not vast enough to comprehend any possible way that this man could become hot with the 4 easy steps he listed, I was curious to find out what he needs to do. MY stance was that if you give any homeless man a shower, a shave, and a nice suit...he has just a good a chance as the next guy in the club/bookstore/Starbucks of getting a date as long as his game is top-notch. That's what I meant. And considering skip2mylou has already posted twice without an answer, I've got my money on that he's not quite sure how this man can "make himself hot" either.

Well that sounded like pure sarcasm to me, but whatever. I really dont think skip the pimp could really answer those questions

 

[BluEyes]

Just throwing your one-liner back at you...

Good looks are not a requirement for sleeping with good-looking women.

So, you would say that the dude you posted a picture of, actually has a chance with good-looking women, because looks don't matter?

You just dug your own grave by posting a picture of an ugly guy up there. Do you seriously think he has any chance of fvcking a 9?

No, I didn't think so...

So truely looks do matter far more than personality. He could be the most charming man, but women would friendzone him(if that), due to his looks. I mean honestly, when you are that fugly, simple instinct comes into play. In women's subconscious mind they are thinking "do not sleep with this man. he has bad genes. will not produce good offspring. etc etc."
When it boils down to our instinct as animals, looks plays a far more important role than personality.

I hate to deal in absolutes, but......You lose. sorry. Please insert coin.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

bump

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

God_of: I'm really tired of arguing with you, man. I really am. You take 2 lines from my posts and respond with 4 paragraphs. It's exhausting having to filter through the accusations that I don't debate logically, misspellings of "eloquence" in the same sentence of accusing others that they have none, and your promotion of your "looks matter" theory as the sole correct perspective. You believe looks matter, right? Awesome. I believe looks don't mean s'hit. This is known as a disagreement, and does not need to be taken to the level of intense effort you have shown in order to dismiss my opinions as "stupid." To be honest with you, I really have no desire to debate this with you anymore as it's just too exhausting.

So reading my posts are too much for you in an argument you clearly feel strongly about? I dont buy it for a minute. ITs not like you type much anyways, your really not doing much work when rebutting my post. Yeah, Your full of it. You really just cant rebut my posts, and this is your excuse of getting out of it. You cant rebut the example I gave of the girl that wont date guys unless they have abs (kills your theory totally), you cant rebut the stupid comment you made (post 1142 was it?). You cant explain how evolutionary psychology is valid evidence for your case, You cant explain how a black and white, unrealistic theory like yours can actually be true. You still cant explain your argument without using examples that make up the MINORITY of the female population. Who argues about how the majority of a population is by using an atypical minority as an example? who does that? what kind of way is that to argue? Well, your losing the argument, and according to this post, your losing the will to continue arguing. Yeah that tends to happen when one realises he is losing. ITs futile to keep trying, just let your denial go, and join the "looks matter" bandwagon!

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Really, now. So...would you care to display a quote from me where I was uncivil towards another poster? I mean, it wouldn't be much of a problem for me to post a nice little montage of all the personal attacks the looks-are-everything crew has thrown my way, but I would be very interested to see some that I've spewed myself...as I honestly don't remember having done so.

well, you do have a habit of calling people who arent buying your BS "cool-aid drinkers". :nono:

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

I guess it would be a good idea to repost the best arguments and refresh from this flamming going on....

...Ill Ill get to that soon, dont worry.

 

[skip the russian]

If he's got confidence, the personality to back it up and has Grade A game...why couldn't he f'uck a 9? Because his teeth aren't soap opera perfect? Come now.

I am sorry but you just said THAT in full seriousness about the guy in the pic u just showed a few posts ago - you are now deemed 100% clueless idiot

that guy is a -100/10 on the looks scale, animals wouldnt touch him, and u actually just said he could get a 9 possibly????? are u totally retarded or just partially? who wants to disagree with me on this 1???

 

[skip781]

Aww, you circumvented your latest banning just to toss random attacks my way? Your persistence is almost endearing, sweetheart.

dude i get banned for ****ed up reasons

listen to ME!!!!

YOU are what some hot chicks might call very good looking.........if u ever wonder why certain hot girls want to **** u, it is because u fit what they want lookswise, stop using ridiculous arguments which only make sense to you

you are an idiot, but yea, some chicks will find u hot..........live with it AND STOP ARGUING ON THIS THREAD

 

[El Febreezey Da Beez]

Here is a perfect example as to why looks matter-

So my cousin comes in to town for Christmas and the rest of the Year, and she is single now because her and her boyfriend recently ended a LTR. Now I'm not the kind of person who won't allow any of their female relatives to date around me or date my friends, so she starts going through pictures of my friends. She flips through pictures of my friends Kayn and Joey. Joey is a notorious pretty boy, but is shy. Kayn is just a talker, and as my cousin put it "not that good looking."

So Kayn and Joey come over with a few of their chick friends and we are all having a good time playing drinking games and what not. While we are playing games, Joey is just sitting there not saying a word, but my cousin would not stop showing him all sorts of IOI's. Meanwhile, Kayn, is trying hard to game up my cousin but failing miserably. (Kayn is one of those guys who girls say "you are a playa" but they personally never hook up with him, meaning he never gets any)

To make a long story short, Joey hooks up with my cousin, without doing much more than saying "hi" and nodding from time to time.

-Just as a side note, a few of my friends say my cousin is a 9. She's 5'11'' and 125 LBS. I don't want to elaborate any further on her, seeing as though she is my cousin it would make me feel gross, but a few of my friends have commented on her T&A...prior to being punched in the arm by me.