Looks are more important than you think! Merged [Official thread]

[El Febreezey Da Beez]

Actually, I have no problem NOT getting the last word. You'll notice I didn't respond to your last post on the "too good looking?" thread. This is because there were no personal attacks made, and you made no false claims. I can live with that. However, for some reason when somebody tosses personal attacks my way, no matter how weak, or somebody makes statements that are misleading or outright lies, I have to respond. Who cares? I enjoy debate immensely. It's just unfortunate that some need to pollute what could be intelligent discussion with playground insults and transparent attempts to make the other party feel bad for no other reason than that individual disagrees with you. I could easily be great friends with God of getting layed, skip2mylou, ZeroHero...all these looks-are-everything guys. All I would have to do is say, "You know what? You guys are right. Looks are everything." and then all would be well. But for some reason it is VERY rare to meet a looks-are-everything guy that can carry on a reasonable discussion, speak coherently, AND refrain from the usage of personal attacks. It's a mystery.

(You spelled "weirdo" wrong, btw. I only point it out for your sake, as mispelling personal attacks has a way of taking away some of its impact.)

1. When was the last time that you argued anything where there was intelligent discussion. In your defense, much of the playground rhetoric is against you, but still, you were just making fun of this rhetoric, thus no intelligent discussion has transpired for quite a while on this thread.

2. You just said it there; it is rare for you to find a "looks-are-everything guy" who can carry a reasonable discussion. SO, if you enjoy reasonable discussions, and you can't seem to find one with the "looks-are-everything" crowd, why the hell do you continue post? It makes no sense; you just want to carry out this damn thread for as long as you can because it gives you some weird, demented purpose. I'm not going to sink as low as some other idiots around here and call you a "loser" or a "virgin," but come on man, you are better than that.

3. It was obviously spelled wrong due to a typo, but its okay, we all have to be anal about somethings. I'm sure if you could use a red pen on this forum you would.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

...the whole point of this argument (from what i read), is that looks MATTER for those who actually have them!

Especially if they don't have anything else to offer...

 

[wayword]

(You spelled "weirdo" wrong, btw. I only point it out for your sake, as mispelling personal attacks has a way of taking away some of its impact.)

(You spelled "misspelling" wrong, btw. I only point it out for your sake, as misspelling personal attacks has a way of taking away some of its impact.)

Anyhow, if it makes you feel any better, I only rate myself a 5.5 in looks alone... But I guess you just enjoy playing on the defensive.

 

[pimpin IS easy]

Deus - no one is personally attacking you, u bring out the attacks yourself by saying sh1t like "some girls like ugly guys" and also by arguing in a pompous anal way (pointing out spelling errors, correcting grammar, wtf??).......and yes when you have a discussion and you start to be anal about little things such as spelling and grammar, you ARE going to be labeled a geek, cuz no real player whos talking about girls is going to care about spelling and grammar on a ****ing internet board, what are we being graded or something???

you still have yet to provide examples of how an ugly guy gets the hot girl IN THE MAJORITY of cases........argument here is, 99% of guys that hot girls go for are also good looking at the very least. what YOU do is you take that 1% minority, and try to argue that that is the majority! Get real, you are living in a David Deangelo dream, I will take a guy who is a 10 in looks, take him to the mall, have him say hi to every hot girl, and watch each of those hot girls melt in front of his perfect 10 eyes.

Deus - you cannot accept reality, but the reality is, JUST looks get you nowhere, which is why being cool, funny, sweet and whatever WHILE being very good looking is how you end up getting the hot ones......having other things going for you but being ugly will get you NOWHERE (unless the girl is just digging your gold, but she still isn't attracted to you physically)

 

[El Febreezey Da Beez]

Aww, you HAD me, dude. You're the first one to catch me forgetting a letter in a word, but then you flushed it down the toilet by referring to that as a personal attack. Oh well, I'm sure you'll come across another opportunity in about 40-50 posts.

Anyhow, if it makes you feel any better, I only rate myself a 5.5 in looks alone... But I guess you just enjoy playing on the defensive.

Why would being ugly make me feel bad? Looks don't matter, bro. Besides, real-life women complimenting my looks has much more weight than virtual men insulting my looks...so you're in the clear.

I say we just ignore him. He clearly is going to think that he is always right no matter how we carve up his b'ull****. He is an arrogant prick, and I'm willing to be that these "real-life women complimenting" his looks are just bored co-workers or friends of the family who feel bad for this AFCness. But after they say something remotely nice to him, he thinks, "Damn, they want me. Typical of women, always wanting to **** me." Its pathetic Deus.
And even if women in real life were complimenting your looks, wtf are you doing here then. They are opening the door for you. And I don’t want to hear about how you have a gf, that’s just your stupid crutch argument. Due to your vivid descriptions of what you would do with women (rate this chix), you clearly have a wondering eye at the very least. So if chicks are showing you this much attention in real life, and you are doing nothing about it, maybe you should stop spending so much time correcting spelling errors, and learn how to game.

 

[wayword]

Why would being ugly make me feel bad? Looks don't matter, bro. Besides, real-life women complimenting my looks has much more weight than virtual men insulting my looks...so you're in the clear.

How was I insulting your looks? If a 5 is average, a 6 would technically be above average. I was simply giving you my honest, fair opinion.

What the heck do YOU think you rate as, then?

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

lets assume you logic is true....now lets go look at men.
some guys think pamela anderson is hot, some think shes ugly. so it is clear variance in taste is present in men. but we also see that men do care about looks. A CONTRIDICTION IN YOUR LOGIC!!!![/B]

Wrong. You applied my explanation to men, which is a mistake. Men and women are totally different, therefore no contradiction exists.

lol, nice try. But thats not what you meant. If thats what you meant, then in your original comment you would have said "looks dont mean sh1t to women becuase theyre different than men". what you instead said was along the lines of "variance in taste is proof looks dont mean sh1t to women". I dont see anywhere in your original statement you mentioning it having anything to do with men and women being different.

In fact, heres your original statement that Im chewing you out for (post 1142):

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Originally Posted by God_of_getting_layed
the same guy will be ugly to some women, and cute or hot to others.

Which is why looks don't mean s'hit. Everyone has different tastes, including women for short, fat, ugly, bald men.

yep, its clear that your saying that variance in taste itself is evidence looks mean nothing. please show me where you say it is the fact that men and women are different is the evidence that looks mean nothing, becuase I cant seem to find it, maybe you can help me.

again, it is very clear that you were saying that it is the variance itself that is the proof that women dont care about looks. Then I show you above how such logic only leads to a contridiction when we extend it to men. your original statement implied that it was the variance itself which is the proof that women dont care about looks. no where in your original statement did you mention it having anything to do with differences in biology etc. This is my point, and this is why Im getting onto you about it! it was stupid. Now your trying to explain it away by totally distorting your original statement, which is BS.

well, your evidence is not convincing at all. evolutionary psychology is what your basing this on? evolutionary pyschology is just conjecture.

Oh, you're a Creationist? This explains a lot.

lol, nope. I dont beleive in creationism sorry. Id choose the theory of evolution over that one. But it too has big problems. Unfortuntely, science has yet been able to come up with a good explanation how we got here. Its still one of life's mysteries. and your using a hypothesis to back your side up?, thats so funny.

and yeah, its not hard to find average to ugly women saying they dont care about looks.

It's not hard to find hot women say the exact same thing, actually. You must not know very many.

Yeah, your right, its not hard, but its a million times much easier to find one that will say she will only date hot guys. why? becuase these shallow types are the typical hot women. you like using minority cases as if they were the majority dont you?

remember the girl I mentioned that wont date a guy with a 6pack no matter what? howdo you explain that with you theory?

Yeah, I remember her. Remember the girl that I told you about that won't date a guy unless he eats her s'hit out of a bowl? How do you explain that with your theory of "Women don't care about s'hit-eating!" Please. Are you really going to sit there with one half-assed example and attempt to use it as the be-all end-all of your misguided perception of women? Are you really, God_of_getting_layed?

so in otherwords, you cant explain it at all with your theory? thats what I thought. :crackup:

hmmm, that doesnt look to good for your theory which is supposed to be sooo right. a true theory can explain all observations you know.:rock:

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Why are you using celebrities as examples? You should know better.

"Or thousands of other average couples in America....blablablabla"

Deus, I can bet on that you've never seen a butt ugly guy with a hot looking girl with your OWN TWO EYES. I'm certain of this.

Deus, do you know why hes certain of this despite never having met you before? becuase the event of actually seeing a butt ugly guy with a hot girl is so rare that its more likely that youre telling a lie about witnessing it than having actually seen one.

Have you never been to high school? The shallowness that's going on there is ridiculous.
Unlike you, I can provide a real life example of how much looks play a part in attraction.

I was gaming this girl for a week,HEAVY kino. Whenever we stood in line for the cafeteria, my arms were around her and groin pressed against her ass. When we were alone by the lockers and she was bending over to get her stuff I pulled her thong, felt her ass and grabbed her tits. Did she mind? hell no. I got bored of playing around with her body and wanted to escalate it a bit, so I took her to the bathroom. I had her laughing, sitting in my lap while I sat on the toilet-seat and kissed her neck. Then I went in for the kiss on her lips and she almost slapped me. "What the hell, I don't want to kiss you, you're not my type look-wise!".
A week later this new kid comes to our school, and he has about half the game I have. On the second day I see them making out by the lockers.
And this kid is more boring than to be with than looking at paint dry, BUT every single girl in our school turns her head when he walks by. Every girl in his class laughs at his truly stupid and boring jokes and they giggle like small children whenever he looks at them. It's ridiculous.

I've recently befriended a party girl. I was having lunch with her and she was talking about her new boyfriend. He constantly called her, supplicated and basically kissed her ass. She said he didn't give her enough room to "breathe". I asked why she didn't dump him and this is how she responded:
"I can't dump him, he's way too hot for that!".

Deus you can continue using your inadequate "life experience" and THEORETICAL reasoning as basis for your arguments, but I'm more informed than you about what goes on with teenagers, because I am one, and everything I'm saying comes from real life experience, not something I've concocted in my head and stubbornly defend.
Maybe things are different when you get older, but young people do prioritize looks, it's the basis of a relationship. You can be the most wonderful guy on earth (DJ style), but if you look like a dog's ass you can't expect to score with a supermodel or even a hb8-9.

yep, we have yet another observation that goes against your "looks mean nothing theory" deus. (Mybe you can explain this one with your theory deus.) they just keep stackig up. hmmm, I wonder why. perhaps because these kinds of observations are the norm. perhaps the "looks matter alot" theory is right. hmm, ya think?

 

[Charm]

Looks matter but so does effort. 10 in looks and 1 in effort scores about as often as 1 in looks and 10 in effort.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

you still have yet to provide examples of how an ugly guy gets the hot girl IN THE MAJORITY of cases........argument here is, 99% of guys that hot girls go for are also good looking at the very least. what YOU do is you take that 1% minority, and try to argue that that is the majority! Get real,

bingo!!!! thats exactly what hes doing, I noticed it too. he would always go for some example that rarely happens and uses it as if its the norm. weak way to argue how reality really is. though it would work well if you are argueing how reality IS NOT.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

And no, I will not face that God_of_getting_layed is right, as he has yet to provide me with a single compelling argument that supports his theory that nothing else matters but looks.

Well, for one, thats not my argument. Im not saying the only thing that matters is looks. What Im basically saying is that you pretty much have zero chance if your not good looking to the girl. BUT, If you are good looking to the girl, then it still depends on how you act. But weither or not you even stand a chance is all dependant on looks really. this is what you dont get. dont get confused, I know this is really tough for your brain to comprehend.

Something else I want to bring up is that your theory makes broad generalisations. It is very black and white with no grey area. You basically say "all women dont care about looks". such a black and white generalization kills it. if your going to persistently argue, atleast argue a realistic theory that fits reality! You dont have the elequence to be trying to persuade people to beleive such a jacked up and unrealistic theory.

Mine is such a realistic theory. It admits that there is a grey area..there will be some hot women that dont care about looks. But it says that the typical hot woman, the majority case, is shallow, and cares alot about looks. so most of the time, if shes hot, looks matter, alot. My theory pays attention to details of reality and is such that it fits pretty much all cases, you cant do that with a black and white theory. thats why mine is so realistic, thats why mine is so damn close to reality. Im not arguing my theory becuase I want to , Im just trying to come up with the most logical explanation to fit theo obsevations that me and many other men have observed. I use logic, you dont

It also points out where it stops applying. As a girls attractiveness drops, the theory less applies. ugly chicks dont care about looks becuase they cant afford to etc. same reason ugly guys force themselves to see past looks, they cant afford to-->we know guys place strong importance on looks, yet I see plenty of ugly guys with unmistakably hideous women.No, this is not a contridiction, its just proof that someone who places a strong importance on looks will train themselves to see past it if theyre in low demand.

 

[El Febreezey Da Beez]

Do you see all this Deus, this is 73 pages of frustration being vented. You are a fool for continuing your effort. Listen, we might be wrong, but if we are, you sure as hell aren't going to prove it. So give up. You don't have the mental capacity to express any valid points. Your points only make sense to you, not us. And no, "its not because we are the idiots," it's because you are a little whacko.

 

[The__Substitute]

If a girl thinks your hot........ you need very little game to get her in the sack..... it's true no arguing it. Looks are a very deadly weapon and they certainly do matter.

However it is still possible to score hb9+ even if you are not one yourself.... but if a guy that your hb9+ considers Hot has equal game or value as you...... you will lose because looks do matter no matter what anyone says.

 

[Italian_Pimp]

In today's superficial society looks are extremely important to game hot chicks (note: only hot)

 

[El Febreezey Da Beez]

You Deus, your arguments lack consistency. Although when you are being beaten or overwhelmed, you just rely on "looks don’t mean jack," and run away with your tail between your legs. I don’t know, maybe I'll sort through some of your old posts to show you how your stance changes.

 

[El Febreezey Da Beez]

We won boys, he's giving up. He couldn't take it and now he wants to start fresh. Start fresh? You want to take 75 pages, and start over? hahaha Not gonna happen.
Anyways boys, we did it and I know it wouldn't have happened without all of your help.

 

[Aprenti$playa&pimp]

wow, this thread is still going on? You guys aren't done flaming eachother yet? I've seen e-wars before but this is ridiculous. There's probably over 20 pages of Deus and like 9 guys trying to burn eachother, what ever happened to having a good civilized debate?

 

[El Febreezey Da Beez]

wow, this thread is still going on? You guys aren't done flaming eachother yet? I've seen e-wars before but this is ridiculous. There's probably over 20 pages of Deus and like 9 guys trying to burn eachother, what ever happened to having a good civilized debate?

Civilized debate was thrown out of the window by Deus, who never was interested in debate, but just narrow minded defense of his hollow argument -"looks don't mean jack." He gets off on this.
But it's okay, it's all over now. He gave up. We won.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Civilized debate was thrown out of the window by Deus, who never was interested in debate, but just narrow minded defense of his hollow argument -"looks don't mean jack." He gets off on this.
But it's okay, it's all over now. He gave up. We won.

So to celebrate, what are all of you guys planning to do to make yourselves look better to get women?

 

[El Febreezey Da Beez]

So to celebrate, what are all of you guys planning to do to make yourselves look better to get women?

oh snap (as Francisco and Deus high five). Good one. It's nice to see that Deus' apprentice didn't leave at all, but just was hiding while the war was raging. Sorry guys, you lost.