Looks are more important than you think! Merged [Official thread]

[edmond]

While I may be immediately attracted to a hot guy, what matters to me more is his personality. Seriously, how often do you see beautiful women dating less than beautiful men?

I wouldn't necessarily disregard a guy because he was "too hot". I would much rather be with a guy I click with.

Thats what ALL the ugly girls say.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

I guess you need me to expand my argument, (Or put it into laymen’s terms). I think that looks do matter in certain situations. On a purely primal level, attraction is usually based on looks, whatever those may be is subjective to that specific person; meaning that different people are attracted to different physical features. Some men like plump women, some women like huge males, some men like short women, some women prefer tall men. So - in essence looks do matter when taking that into consideration. Where you and most everyone else on this thread make a mistake (and yes I am referring to the "looks crowd" as well), is that you are assuming that when someone says "looks matter," they are talking about being a good looking person, which I agree is wrong. Looks matter, but how they matter is completely up to each specific person and what they find attractive. It just so happens that what most people are attracted to on a physical level are symmetrical faces, huge breasts, abs of steel, etc.

In other circumstances looks don't matter, and you have touched upon these circumstances. Confidence - as you have hammered home, is a huge asset to have when a person is looking for something on a level other than a primal or sexual level. The ability to talk well is another; we have all seen guys talk their way into girl's pants. NOW, it is unknown whether that girl slept with the guy who "spit game" solely because he was a good talker, or a combination of looks and game. But since it is unknown, you are right when you argue that the ability to talk and confidence is the key...in some circumstances, not all.

The way I see it, both you and God of getting laid are wrong because you limit your entire argument by polarizing the thread. So stop grouping me with God of getting laid.

So there you have it, that's my view on the subject. Hopefully you understand it now.

I think we are actually on the same page. Heres what the theory Im pushing basically says:

It says that attractive women place a strong importance on looks (statistically speaking). There will be a small percentage of the "attractive women" population that dont, but they are not the typical attractive women. As you move towards less attractive women, the less this applies. ugly women see past looks, so do average women, this is becuase they cant really afford to be picky since they arent exactly in high demand by men. But statistically, this isnt always true either. THere will be some fug women that place high importance on looks and will not date ugly guys. Although these women obviously are often single by choice and they dont make up the typical fug/average women population.

Another important part of the theory is that what is "good looking" is partly subjective. Some women see tall guys as attractive, another may prefer short guys, some chicks actually like really big beefy muscle guys, others prefer them alittle slim. But one thing remains in common, they will only find the guy attractive if he has the right height for her, or the right body type for her, or the right facial structure for her etc. even if the "right face/height/etc" would be considered ugly to most women. So just becuase one women may like big noses in no way means looks dont matter; becuase she chose the guy because of his big nose, it means its the way his nose looks that dictated if she found him attractive, not how he acted. This is the part of the theory that can confuse some people. some people think that because the woman liked a guy becuase he had a physical characteristic that would typically be considered unattractive, it means that the way a man looks must not be a factor in what contributes to weither or not he can get a woman. such an interpretation is incorrect.

I also acknowledge that looks arent the only factor in my theory, though I dont emphasise this much. It works like this: she has to find you attractive, or nothing will work, no perfect game will work. If she does find you attractive, then weither or not you will succeed will depend on how you act. But one thing is apparent, looks matter alot. If your ugly to the woman, and shes attractive, then chances are, you will not succeed becuase there is a very high chance she will require the guy to be "atleast cute" by her very own personal subjective definition of what cute/attractive is.

In no way am I saying how you act doesnt mean anything. IT is important. But its just that, if your not good looking, and your trying a hottie, then you wont succeed even if your personality is awesome. So it really comes down to "looks matter alot". Basically, looks matter for men in the same way looks matter for a woman trying to get a boyfriend. Personality matters for men in the same way personality matters for a woman trying to get a boyfriend. Even in women, personality is a factor despite the fact that men require a woman to be "atleast cute".

 

[L777]

This is exactly why spice boys don't get laid much....pink shirts? Lol...

 

[persiangino]

Truely good looking guys with obvious dominant/masculine traits will have girls approaching them. Guys who think they are good looking but somehow rarely get any attention from girls are either ugly or display feminine/p*ussy posture or body language. Not to say average joe's can't get with hot B*iches but they need to greatly improve upon their personality.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

And the way I see it, both of you are wrong by speaking for women that you've never met.

We are explaining a set of observations with a theory that best explains those observations. One of the side effects of the best fitting theory is that it can make predictions that go beyond just those observations that it explains. It can predict how a woman that you or I have never met will react to an ugly guy trying to game on her. Given that the theory fits the observations very well, this would mean its very likely to be true. If it is very likely to be true, then so will its predictions about women weve never met.

This is pretty much how the scientific method works. ever heard of it? yeah, it can produce theories that can make predictions about things that go beyond any observations or evidence that it explained in the first place.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

We can go back and forth like this forever. I have already waited out several looks matter guys that either get banned, or are too weary to continue. I could go into how attacking my reading comprehension skills would be an insult, which would be flaming according to your definition, which in turn would make you a hypocrite. Or maybe tell you to find an actual example where I was offensive, since referring to "a reality we all live in" as 6.5 billion people is a perfect fit for the word "all." But what does that have to do with the topic at hand? Either go and find me some real examples where I have insulted or angrily criticized another poster, or get back to the meat and potatoes of this God forsaken thread that you and GoGL and a few other banned folks have turned into one long string of preposterous personal attacks and flame wars.

why are you even posting in this thread? you arent even holding an intelligent discussion? your just making as many smart ass responses to peoples posts as you can. Twisting and distorting what people say to make it agree with you. Your not even really argueing your side of the theory. Its like your only purpose in this thread is to try and be some kind of comedian or something. Your posting style more resembles that of a troll than of someone intelligently arguing their side of the argument.

Youve already said you wont respond to my posts, so maybe you should just leave. Your just inciting flamewars and spamming this thread. you really have no business posting in this thread.

 

[PigAdlemPimp]

Now I know why I hardly ever visit this site anymore, this is just another rubbish thread, the same thing has been said over and over again, but the fact is that hot babes desire the good looking dudes.
Looks are not as important to the babes as they are to the dudes but it is still better if a dude is a hunk.
What is the purpose of this stupid thread, it isn't helping anyone, and it has been told on here a thousand times already that I have become sick and tired of reading about it.
Can't any of the dudes in here write an original thread topic, rather than the continuous stream of "Looks Don't Matter" and "Looks Do Matter" threads that I see on here every single time I visit this site, which isn't very often these days, as very few of you dudes have anything to offer, when it comes to picking up and fvcking the hottest babes.
Happy New Year anyway and keep on sarging and you may just get somewhere. :yes:

 

[El Febreezey Da Beez]

Very nice, man. Props for finally getting someone to proof your posts. Now if we could just get you to keep it pithy. Four posts in a row, heh. Damn.

Like so many looks matter posters before you, and the ones that will come after you're gone...you are confusing good looks with a pleasing appearance. The only solution you offer for a man to improve his looks is cosmetic surgery, which is laughably unnecessary for the acquisition of good-looking women.

You're right man, we could do this forever, and we will until I win and you run out of energy. I think you know deep down that I'm not like most of your "opponents," and I know it bothers you a bit.

Anyways, the quote above (in bold) serves as an example of flaming. Just because it's riddled in sarcasm doesn't mean that it is any less offensive, and as 76 pages should show you, it clearly incites anger.

And you seriously need to stop bringing up the people who have been banned, you put that in there every other post. Enough, we get it. But you didn't get them banned; they got themselves banned, so stop acting like you are single handedly beating them off the site.
:trouble:

 

[El Febreezey Da Beez]

oh yeah, and don't think I forgot about what you need to "repent" for...I can pull that quote up anytime I want.

 

[Mac_Laaarry]

HERE WE GO AGAIN:nono: . WILL YOU GUYS PLEASE LET THE LOOKS ISSUE GO AND FOCUS ON SELF IMPROVEMENT. DAMN.

 

[El Febreezey Da Beez]

I suppose most bad guys don't know their bad until the end, just like you. I just to let you know, every time you post, I'll be right here waiting to stop you.

Piano or not, I will wear you out. My will is stronger than yours.

As for the "subject at hand," while I've been going through your old posts I've noticed something: you never give real life examples through your experience. It's just the same two or three celeb examples. Why is this? Oh yeah...the gf? Well then, maybe if you can get over some oneitis, we can get to the subject at hand. In the mean time, the rest of us will be filling up the pages of the thread with real life experiences that can contribute to the overall increasing DJ abilities of the real sosuave members, members who actually want to get something out of this other than arguing.


...your turn.

:trouble:

 

[El Febreezey Da Beez]

as for the quote that will do you in, I'll save it for a time when I actually need it. Right now, as I see it, I'm mopping the floor with you.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

HERE WE GO AGAIN:nono: . WILL YOU GUYS PLEASE LET THE LOOKS ISSUE GO AND FOCUS ON SELF IMPROVEMENT. DAMN.

Easier said than done when all you have are your looks (hopefully) and nothing else going for you. Actually it's a good excuse to fall back on when you don't have game, blame it on something you have little control over if any.

 

[Docs]

Getting laid Infinitely more times is a impossibility when life has Limits.

 

[persiangino]

The dude is correct bro, it's just that the rest of the people do not see this happen. Girls that are instinctly attracted to gorgeous men will do anything to get his attention. I.E. cough loudly, laugh out loudly, accidently bump into him, drop their phone numbers in front of him, and yes hit on them. Since you haven't experienced this phenomena (which now i know why after seeing your pics) does not make it less true. Just let it go, and recognize that hot albeit superficial girls today will go goo goo ga ga over hot c*ock.

 

[MissionX]

Wow that was the lamest post I have seen, girls going nutz over a guy..... You wanna see a few girls go nutz over a guy, sit down all your **** buddys, and tell them that they all have to fight each other, and the winner gets to be your girl of the week. Now that **** would be awsome to watch. aint that right docs?

Payne

 

[persiangino]

LOL. You're too funny man. You first told everyone that they wouldn't regret seeing your pic since you're soo 'handsome.' Then you post you're pic and everything , atleast for me, became clear. I work in the fashion industry,(and no im not going to tape myself working LOL) and Its is not a personal attack so don't cry about it little boy. You're insecurity is just reaking man. And then you tell Plasticsurgeon to tape the gotti scenario for you, but i thought it was part of your daily experience, so what's so hard to believe? You're prevalent insecurities in the "Too Good Looking" thread and how you, with your looks, can "relate" to my highschool years further manifests the truth for me. In this era of supreme superficiality, looks, money, and status win you instant respect with the HOT b*itches, end of story.

 

[El Febreezey Da Beez]

I'm the bad guy because I believe that every man has the potential to get any woman they want, and you're the good guy because you believe only an elite few do. Man, my dream world just keeps getting better and better.


Wow, your reading comprehension skills are worse than I originally thought. You're telling me that after I went to the trouble of writing out my opinion on looks in detail, that you are seriously going to DISTORT and TWIST my words into a mega-generalization such as that? Pathetic.

Until you are able to fully comprehend what's going on around here, I can't fully believe that you aren't a troll. I mean, if you are, mad props for going as long as you have. It seems like the only explanation. I mean, no person with half a mind's sanity could possibly continue to misinterpret other people's posts like you do. So either you're a troll or have issues with reading. So which is it?
:nono:

 

[Docs]

Just like c0ck fighting in Mexico (man, I will see one of those one day..or have one of my own LOL)

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

If the looks don't mean s'hit guys were the below-average-looking men, then this means they still get p'ussy despite their ugliness, which in turn means that looks don't matter. What to make of all this? Looks have no effect on your stance on looks.

This is the only argument you have. THis is the only example you ever provide that is consistent with your theory. But I have provided many examples that go against your theory.

Its bad enough to be using only one example to back up your theory. Its even worse to be using the one example that weakly supports your theory and is actually consistent with the theory you are arguing against.

THe only example you ever use is in fact one of those bad examples that are actually consistent with the theory you are arguing against. I cant say the same about the examples Ive provided; they can only be explained by my theory, not yours.

Now how is your weak example consistent with my theory? Well consider this. THe observation you embrace is an "ugly guy" with a "hot girl". Okay, so why is he ugly? well the answer is he is "ugly" becuase most women consider him ugly, or the majority vote is that is ugly. But! and thats a big but, According to my theory, there will be some women who are not the majority voters. THese minorities will find his "ugly face" as attractive to them. maybe they like big noses etc. some of these women will be hot, and they will date him. He may be ugly to most women, and may be classified as "ugly", but, the trait that got him the girl was not how he acted, but how he looked; the minority girl liked his "ugly face". In other words, theres a correlation between his success with the girl and how he looked, not how he acts, despite the fact that he wouldnt exactly be considered good looking (to most women, key word "most). Since the correlation is with his looks, and not how he acts, this means looks matter alot. Its correlated becuase the girl was attracted to him not for his personality, but because she liked his "ugly face", she personaly found it not ugly, but "hot" in her eyes. It is this correlation with how the guy looks that proves looks matters.

Since the only example you ever use is actually consistent with my theory, it proves you have a very weak argument. But since the many examples I have provided cannot be explained by your theory, this only further weakens your argument and pretty much nulls it. Go back a few posts of mine ago and youll see a recap of a couple of examples that really cant be explain by a "looks dont mean ****" kind of theory.