Looks are more important than you think! Merged [Official thread]

[God_of_getting_layed]

I'm the bad guy because I believe that every man has the potential to get any woman they want, and you're the good guy because you believe only an elite few do. Man, my dream world just keeps getting better and better.


Wow, your reading comprehension skills are worse than I originally thought. You're telling me that after I went to the trouble of writing out my opinion on looks in detail, that you are seriously going to DISTORT and TWIST my words into a mega-generalization such as that? Pathetic.

Until you are able to fully comprehend what's going on around here, I can't fully believe that you aren't a troll. I mean, if you are, mad props for going as long as you have. It seems like the only explanation. I mean, no person with half a mind's sanity could possibly continue to misinterpret other people's posts like you do. So either you're a troll or have issues with reading. So which is it?
:nono:

I agree 100%. Ive noticed the same thing too. I cant recall how many times Ive pointed out in response to Deus' "ugly guy-hot girl" examples that women can have preference for a face that would normally be considered ugly, but this doesnt change the fact that it was his face that got her, not his personality. ITs like he never read what I said, and just keeps pushing the same example over and over as if it never got explained away. He also rarely ever argues, he just makes smart ass comments, insults people, and tries to incite anger and flamming.

Hes really just a troll that needs to be banned. skip got banned, a few others got banned. ITs now his turn becuase he's really just starting sh1t in this thread, not actually holding an intelligent discussion. What he is doing is just as bad as those that have already been banned.

 

[Docs]

^ Good rebuttal. (2 posts up)

I agree that looks matter a lot. Just think about it, if looks didn't matter (and being in a sober position), would you date a 2/10 because you love that she reads books? 8's love books too you know.

 

[TillTheEndOfTime]

Hold on...so what are you saying?

I should beat myself a bit with an ugly stick to bring myself down to the level of less attractive girls I'm approaching?

Yeah...I REALLY want to get with insecure and mentally handicapped women who can't deal with a good looking guy. Think of the other issues you'll be dealing with down the road with these types of girls.

 

[DJDamage]

Here's is what goes through a girl's head when a hot guy cold approaches her: "O this guy thinks he's so hot coming up to me. He probably bangs a different girl every week. I'm not gonna be another notch on his belt. Let me give him the b!itchy attitude":

Those thoughts only go through a girl's head when she doesn't find the guy attractive. He may have looks going for him but his approach might have been p1ssed poor, that all the nostalgia of meeting him dissapeared. Your looks are just as important as your interaction and a man needs to know how to package the two of them together in order to succeed in this game. Its all trial and error, the more you approach the better you understand where are your strengths and weaknesses are.

I had a couple girls tell me they don't like when guys are too smooth or too hot.

Once again you asked them to rationalize their feelings and you got a socially contrived mainstream answer. There is no such thing as being too smooth or too hot, you are either that or none of that.

 

[Docs]

Obviously not. Looks are almost everything to men. Like numerous looks-matter guys before you, you are applying the evolutionary process to both genders, which is a mistake in my opinion.

But, is it wrong to apply it to both genders? Sure, I can easily apply it to men, but take a look at a woman and tell me that if looks did not matter, then I guess a HG 2 has just a equal amount of chance as a HG8 because they like to play chess.

Again, you can't present a stable viewpoint without proof or example.

Now, tell me looks don't matter in the real world. Comeon, give me a good argument, instead of throwing some 'ohh but I know a girl that digs ugly guys with...' example at me. Tell me the majority of women would take the HG2 as an equal to a HG8.

If you can't provide a solid argument (because I'm presenting you a question based on your theory), then that clearly determines that looks matter.

 

[MissionX]

Ok I will give a theory here,

I would guess that I am a HG7 Around there, Some days I feel like I am a HG9, and others I feel like a HG4, Mood varies, If you mood is good, and you are actually trying to make yourself look good, it shows not only physically, but mentally in the other persons mind.

Alright for the theory.

Say there is one HB9 in the room reading a book about shakespare. And there were two guys in the room, One of them is a HG4 and the other is a HG9.

The HG9 walks over and starts talking to her about shakespare and doesn't know anything about it, making a fool of himself, do you really think he is going to get any, NO!

The HG5 walks over and randomly names off a quote from the book, and they have a conversation in the old language about there lives, That would probably in her mind bring him from a HG5 to a HG8 And the chances of him getting laid are alot better that the HG9, Why? Because he figured she knew quite a bit from shakespare, and well he had quite the background about it himself. Not to mention he always hit up our forum and what not got tips, and tried it out before landing this. :O Did anyone think of that no....

Now answer this for me? Would you rather be the HG5 and some knowledge about english literature, or be the HG9 and know nothing about the english language let alone what shakespare is.

In my own opinion, You can be an HG5, and still get girls, and if you play your game right. But as an HG9 You can still get the girls, some you will miss out on the ones you want, if you don't know your stuff.

I know this is bias But it is an example of two rated guys in a room with a HB9 reading shakespare. One with little knowledge, and one with a great deal of knowledge.

Payne

 

[wayword]

Like Persiangino said, people just don't see this happening. Every girl knows it happens, they just don't tell you. They can't let you know how much they want to bone some stranger just because of his pecs or pretty face. Judge these girls by their behavior not their words. Their behavior is banging a stranger they met at a club because he was hot. End of story.

Actually, being a plastic surgeon, do your clients ever come back and report to you if they have a better time getting laid after you give them plastic surgery? Like, how much of a difference was there, if at all?

And I also realize you are biased to promote plastic surgery, but just try to be as real as you can here, please...

 

[MissionX]

Well, confidence is the key. Send confusing signals

I like you
I think I like you
I don't like you
I want to **** you.
I like you but I don't want to **** you.
I want to **** you
Sex is awsome
I don't like you.
I want to cuddle with you
I want you to suck me off
I don't like you
Hey an HB9
....Walks off.....

Now that **** is confusing...... Haha

I laugh everytime..... lol

I actually saw that happen one day at the mall in the food court.... I couldn't stop laughing..

Pretty much the same extent, but the guy was hitting on this girl, and his gf shows up and starts beating on him, it was ****ing priceless.


LOL

 

[persiangino]

Never said that. Scroll back.

Then you post you're pic and everything , atleast for me, became clear. I work in the fashion industry,(and no im not going to tape myself working LOL) and Its is not a personal attack so don't cry about it little boy.

Work in the fashion industry or not (for all I know you could be a freelance bathroom attendant for afterparties), you're still just another looks-obsessed anti-American on the Internet. When I have you telling me that I'm ugly, and real-life women telling me that I'm very good-looking to start, which do you think I'm more inclined to put more faith in? No go ahead. Ask me. Oh, and I'm 6'0 (with shoes) and about 170-175. If I was any bigger, I would no longer fit the male model standard. You go around calling all the models little boys in your fashion industry job, persiangino?

And then you tell Plasticsurgeon to tape the gotti scenario for you, but i thought it was part of your daily experience, so what's so hard to believe?

You got yourself confused in your hurry to make a snide comment. The "coughing", "bumping into tables", and all that other ridiculous nonsense is what I was referring to. What HE was talking about was very similar to your SNL-worthy scenario of 20 girls at a table turning around simultaneously to stare at you as a homage to "The Shining." Doesn't happen. If it did, I would be watching the tape of it go down instead of going back and forth with you on why you can't provide the tape.

In this era of supreme superficiality, looks, money, and status win you instant respect with the HOT b*itches, end of story.

You're 2/3rd's right. (Why do you looks matter guys keep saying "end of story", and "Here's the end of the looks debate"? Does it provide some sort of closure for you?)



:yawn:

Height and weight have nothing to do with modeling. That's like saying Mr. Bean could be a model because he's 5'11- 6'0. Although i never said you were ugly, i will now tell you you are only average. That is why my "SNL" scenarios seem sooo crazy to you, because they never happen to you. And still somehow you relate to these "SNL" scenarios in an effort to somehow validate your looks LMAO. Again, truely good looking men have women hitting on them every day, so there is no need for them to even try gaming them. Oh and thanks for calling me a looks obsessed anti-American, which makes sense that you have to resort to name calling since you're clearly losing this debate.

 

[Ripper]

I understand. I was actually just about to post how we need to get back on track with the discussion. And how I shouldn't have sunk to his level by derailing the thread; I'm sorry.

Anyways, I was going to provide yet another example of how looks played the primary factor in a chick going for a guy (examples, hmm..who thought they could be so helpful. Yeah Deus, try it sometime.), but I gotta go to work.

Thanks Vincent for putting the thread back on track. Hopefully others will continue to allow it to stay that way.

Btw, Deus never claimed looks weren't the primary factor. Argue that all you want. Hell, he'll most likely agree with you. All he did was argue they weren't the only thing that mattered when it came to two people hooking up.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Well, this thread is definitely worthless. But I'd much rather have a single garbage thread polluted with flames, ego trips, and trolls than SEVERAL looks-matter threads polluted with flames, ego trips, and trolls sprinkled over the entire website.

So this thread is like a compose heap, got'cha!

 

[MissionX]

Yea it pretty much is. I don't see why people flame others, or cutting people up, it's kind of sad to see a comunity do this to each other. It really is.

Payne

 

[El Febreezey Da Beez]

Yea it pretty much is. I don't see why people flame others, or cutting people up, it's kind of sad to see a comunity do this to each other. It really is.

Payne

I know, things would go by much more smoother if other people would actually read other's posts. The communication lines would be re-opened, but hey, communication and reading comprehension isn't for everyone.

 

[El Febreezey Da Beez]

So before this thread gets torn to shreds by a pseudo debater (we all know who), I would like to share a personal experience that I think applies great to this thread and site.

So here we go:

On New Year's Day a couple of a couple of my buddies called me up to go out drinking, and after much persuasion on their part to get me to come out (I was so hungover from the night prior), I agreed.

So we bounce around at a few bars and then hit up this nightclub. The music in there is so loud that we can't hear anything that either of us, or anyone else in the club is saying.

So about 15 minutes go by and this HB 9/10 comes out of nowhere and starts dancing with my friend Jim. Me and my friend Rick don't think much of it and we just keep doing our thing when we notice Jim is gone. So we finish up the night wondering where he went.

So the next day I call Jim up and ask what was up from the club. He told me that the girl who started dancing with him went outside with him for some fresh air, and while they were out there she asked him back to her place for so they could "talk and relax." THIS WAS SERIOUSLY JUST AFTER THEY GOT THROUGH THE PRILIMINARY INTRODUCTIONS. And boom, just like that, he was back to her place for some "fun."

Now I'm not about to go out and say Jim is a "hot guy," but women at work say he is and chicks are always staring at him when we go down the street. So my conclusion is he got laid on his looks.

There you have it, yet another example.

 

[Dmr9]

So before this thread gets torn to shreds by a pseudo debater (we all know who), I would like to share a personal experience that I think applies great to this thread and site.

So here we go:

On New Year's Day a couple of a couple of my buddies called me up to go out drinking, and after much persuasion on their part to get me to come out (I was so hungover from the night prior), I agreed.

So we bounce around at a few bars and then hit up this nightclub. The music in there is so loud that we can't hear anything that either of us, or anyone else in the club is saying.

So about 15 minutes go by and this HB 9/10 comes out of nowhere and starts dancing with my friend Jim. Me and my friend Rick don't think much of it and we just keep doing our thing when we notice Jim is gone. So we finish up the night wondering where he went.

So the next day I call Jim up and ask what was up from the club. He told me that the girl who started dancing with him went outside with him for some fresh air, and while they were out there she asked him back to her place for so they could "talk and relax." THIS WAS SERIOUSLY JUST AFTER THEY GOT THROUGH THE PRILIMINARY INTRODUCTIONS. And boom, just like that, he was back to her place for some "fun."

Now I'm not about to go out and say Jim is a "hot guy," but women at work say he is and chicks are always staring at him when we go down the street. So my conclusion is he got laid on his looks.

There you have it, yet another example.

But is this news for anyone?

Seriously, the ammount of debate of "does look matter?" is frankly embarrassing. There shouldn't even have a debate, people! The very fact that there is should serve as evidence of how low this community has sunk.

Good looks and physical attraction should be an integral part of any good physical relationship Technically speaking, if you're ugly you shouldn't even have sex, I know this will offend some people but there ya go. It's simply not natural, for men OR women.

Don't think for an instant women are any less interested in good looks. "omg, some guy got lucky because women find him hot" "everyone is looking at the hot woman" like, whow no kidding?

I think some here don't live in reality.

 

[Dmr9]

Look...

I've mentioned this experiment I did for my own benefit.

I placed one of my guy friends who according to industry standards, modelling criteria, pop culture, his resemblence to Carmine Gotti of the Gotti boys... yes he looked like this: http://www.gottiluverz2.blinkz.com/i/albums/exqtb.500x500.jpg

I placed him in a college library on a cold winters day. The library was filled with girls 18-21 many hot, many not, many average. I made my boy sit down and pretend like hes reading something. In fact, I made him wear a hat to cover his face.

But girls could see/sense.. that what they saw of his face under this hat was gorgeous. They couldn't catch his whole face from afar, but one by one by one by one, they ALL CAME OVER. I sat by and watched as magically these girls all of a sudden had something to read and wanted to sit right next to him. Many bumped into his desk.. they couldnt control themselves.. it was all instinct... they were fighting each other for seats next to him!! And for some reason my boy didnt attract ANY medium girls, or any ugly girls. Only the hot girls were trying to get his attention. They do it so subtly too!! One pretended that she was sick and wouldnt stop coughing until my boy looked over to her. And the cooler thing was that as girls saw other girls trying to sit next to him, even those other girls wanted him more!!!

MAKE NO MISTAKE OF THIS POWER!!! THE FEW THAT HAVE IT WILL GET LAID INFINITELY MORE TIMES THAN THOSE THAT DO NOT! DO NOT LIE TO YOURSELF TO MAKE YOURSELF COMPLACENT.

Women can sense good (and conversely, bad) genes. Your story is nothing out of the ordinary actually. Seriously, since you've started to read that sentence hundred of girls have behaved like that all around the world. It's natural behavior that follows a set of patterns that is deeply rooted in our DNA with few cultural variations.

I think, since the myth that women are less interested in looks than men has been repeated for decades, it will take as long to debunk, unfortunately. Some people just need to think and see the world for themselves.

 

[wayword]

Actually, I just remembered an old roomie I had - whom girls found good-looking.

However, he was an ultra-nice, religious AFC...with no game.

BUT STILL, girls wanted to date him and finally he got snagged by a snooty, aggressive law student. Didn't matter that he was uber-nice and not a bad boy at all...or knew zip about game...they simply saw what they liked and wanted a piece of it.

Meanwhile. other more outgoing guys I knew with more game (but less looks) didn't fare nearly as well...

 

[Dmr9]

Good looks is the fondation, without fondations you don't have much.Now fondations without anything else is not that useful of course.

 

[Dmr9]

Those that date and have sex with ugly men are, let's not pretend otherwise, the women that are the least in demand, the least desirable women.

That ugly guys can score with ugly chicks is not exactly newsflash...I hope THAT wasn't the point of debate all this time.





As long as we agree that looks is the fondation and thus essantial (that's the nature of fondations) but that fondation themsleves are not enough, I think we may finally have reached an agreement! (phew!)

 

[Docs]

So..after 80 pages...lol -_-