Looks are more important than you think! Merged [Official thread]

[Spice_One]

Good Looks is different to Body fat , height etc.. Looks don't matter in that sense. to be obese, a dwarf, covered in acne etc is humanly abnormal not bad looks. good/bad looks are your based gentic facial / body frames which can be added on by stuff like grooming, being trendy, working out, attitude and body language.

For instance you could have what is considered bad looks, ginger hair, freakles, skinny body (not much muscle) and have a big nose, big ears and eyes too close together. And still be able to pull a hb because of other things like your attitiude the way u groom yourself the way you hold yourself and the things u say.

 

[Spice_One]

1) One thing I have learn is that the older a woman gets the less they value in looks with a guy. It becomes more and more with his personality that she find attractive.

One thing i'd point out with that is that as a women gets older she becomes more and more unattractive which has something to do with why they are less hooked on looks and also if they are getting old and single they are also getting desperater and more desperate to find a partner because they don't want to end up being alone and also their desire to have children.

This is where men have an advantage. Women are in their sexual prime of beauty between 17 - 30+ tops maybe whereas men are at their physical (attraction) best 17 - 29 and at their mature, dominate peak (attraction) 30 - 45 tops..as soon as women lose their beauty they have nothing cept motherhood and being a good housewife

 

[thickandcreamy]

Good idea. Even one girl a day is a good start. DJ Bootcamp prescribes 10 girls a week? One girl a day and that's 365 girls a year. That's a lot more approaches than most people ever try.

T 'n C

OKAY....I'M ENDING THIS THREAD..............

I want everybody who has participated in this thread to do a challenge with me.

The challenge is, I want you to go out in the field everyday and sarge at least 8 girls a day, that's 56 a week.

I want you to do this consistently for a month.

I want you to come back here and post your experiences, your behaviors, your attitudes...your successes, your failures.

You CANNOT come back to this site
You CANNOT post on this site.

Go out in the field and sarge a lot of women, from the bulk of your experience, come back and summarize......(based on your experience) why you got laid.

Because it's only until you HAVE BEEN IN THE FIELD ALOT.......KEYWORD = ALOT.....that you even have the position and authority to come here and "help" AFCS.

Help yourself first.....who's in the challenge?

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

God of gettin laid, YOU STOP POSTING. Understand, YOU HAVE NO EXPERIENCE....NO FIELD TIME.....NO NOTHING......(did you read that?) YOU NEED TO GO OUT IN THE FIELD MORE........

Your theory svcks, you svck, and you GET NO AZZ, I know you don't get no azz because your "theory" on getting azz is WRONG.

Oh good way to refute the theory, *claps*, you really proved me wrong! and did so by saying "you dont get layed!". wow, you turned this theory upside down on its head man! and you know I dont get layed becuase????......

seriously though, I KNOW, I have banged more good looking women than you. I know this. I can tell just by analyzing your theory off women, its soo off, I can tell youve probably never even been around a heterosexual woman. your idea of how getting women works is so delusional! theres no way one could even hang around women and figure such delusional sh1t is true. I can hear you now "now guyz, your clothes have to be spic and span! you have to look like you shower 200 times a day, this is what women consider hot!, the cleaner you are ,the wetter she gets, all other details dont matter, just be clean!". oh, and lets not forget "ok guyz, be confident, see yourself as sexy and seductive, and magically, all women will magically start calling you hot" your pathetic. and fvcking ugly chicks dont count, dontcha know that already? might as well go masturbate and call it success.

You are a BITTER, LITTLE BOY. Get over it. Personality and Attitude gets you laid.....now go back and finish poppin your creatine pills and lifting bar bells while I KEEP getting svcked off each night.

yeah, and while the ugly girl is svcking you off, Ill be fvckin the sh1t out of a real hot one.

You don't sarge, I know you don't, if you did, you wouldn't be so fvckin caught up on LOOKS...which are 8% of the fvckin reason you got laid. Dress nice, clean, smell nice, be groomed, I'm not repeating myself.....YOU HAVE NO CONFIDENCE, you want to make up for it in your 5 hour gym workouts, well that overweight "fat guy" with a great seductive attitude will out do your azz any day!!

last I checked, I never said I dont go out and sarge.....and 8%, how did you get that figure, well damn, the whole time I though looks only mattered! All I had to do was make my self look clean, be clean and smell clean. genius man! your a fvcking genius! I guess those clean freaks with OCD must be swimming in pools of hot women! looks only contribute 8%, damn, whod a thunk it?

I guess the bytches I fvck and the chicks I interact with are not chicks then.

damn straight! the only b1tches you fvck are ugly b1tches! Id be ashamed of that. Id rather die a virgin than fvck an ugly *****.

How long does it take to be in the field before you understand....it's my vibe, attitude, and behavior that gets the most success, looks are a small portion.

we dont want advice on how to pull ugly chicks, anyone can already do that.

God I WILL NOT FORGIVE YOU!! You've been here toooo god damn long to still believe this AFC SHYT! A member 3 fvckin years....yet, you still talk like an inexperienced jackazz...

Fvck off, don't talk to me no more

If this means youre retiring your keyboard, then that means there is a god! the delusional crazy man that makes stupid statements will be gone!

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

what, then, would you say is the minimum height you need to be to attract hbs if you are muscular/ athletic built with a good face?

None of that matters because no man on Earth has half a chance if he isn't Black... :crackup:

... yes, I'm trying to start some sh1t...

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

djf - y r u ignoring what i am saying and yelling back and forth with god of getting laid?

DONT U GET IT THAT U ARE BOTH RIGHT!!!

its just looks come FIRST, then comes the attitude and sexual state that gets u laid

you're both right, in fact we are ALL right, but lets stop the hatin u guys dont even kno each other, u just misunderstand each other's arguments, but i understand them both very well, im not gonna rephrase again what i said, just go look at my last 2 posts about how you are BOTH RIGHT

if u dont wanna look, heres another quick summary:

Looks - get ur foot in the door and makes the girl NOT disqualify u sexually

Attitude/Sexual State - after the girl likes ur looks, THIS is how you get laid, whether it takes 2 hours 2 days or 2 months - just the good looks wont get you laid, but the COMBINATION of the girl initially being attracted to you physically + the right sexual attitude to follow IS HOW YOU GET LAID

so, you are both right, but you both dont understand each other

simple

I agree with your complete theory skip. 100%. you got it right. DJF has it wrong. Your complete theory is different than his, even though you both discuss being sexual. you aknowledge the fact that you have to be attractive in order for "being sexual" to work. This is correct, I agree. DJF basically implies that looks dont matter, you just gotta be sexual, and *BOOM*, youll get layed, that simple. but thats where his version of the theory gets shot to hell, it aint that simple. looks enter into the equation too, and he leaves that part out, which is the focus of this thread, not the other part of the equation. thats why I dont discuss it, its not neccessary, beucase its evident. but the looks part, astonishingly, many people dont understand it. its alien to alot of people

DJF is also off in not just his theory, but in his definitions. his definitions alone are screwed up. basically, his idea of good looks is just being clean! oh yeah, Im sure good looks are a directly related to how thorough someone cleans themself in the shower. genius definition aint it? this is what I get on him for. You gotta correct people skip, thats what this whole thread is doing right?

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Whow...this thing has gone on for twelve page...and basically all this to say "if U are ugly U wheel nOt f uck hawt gurls!!" Well, no kidding Captain Obvious. Seriously, other than retards like skip2mylou and co, who does this actually suprise?

Some of you ugly guys basically tried to flirt with some cute girls, you get the "f uck off" treatment (naturally enough) and then you come here preaching like hysterical sissies what every normal person already know...You guys are sad...

Learn to deal with it or just stop posting.

if it was so god damn obvious, this thread wouldnt be lasting 12 pages!!!!

what IS OBVIOUS, is the fact that most people on here cant grasp that looks are important! they wanna keep on beleiving the lie that looks are either 0% important, or a very small% important. simply not true! And apperently, this aint obvious to alot of people.

 

[Freddy1]

One thing i'd point out with that is that as a women gets older she becomes more and more unattractive which has something to do with why they are less hooked on looks and also if they are getting old and single they are also getting desperater and more desperate to find a partner because they don't want to end up being alone and also their desire to have children.

Its not just that. This include MARRIED or already involved women as well.
Theres women in their 20's who are sick and tired of meeting immature guys.
They want a guy who can hold his own and can have a meaningful relationship. They have heard all of the old cheesy pickup lines and they arnt impress with juvenile antics anymore. Ever heard of that Shania Twain song "That Dont Impress Me Much". My point is that it has to do with maturity of growing up.
(And there are younger women who are maturing very early in their life out there)

 

[belividere]

None of that matters because no man on Earth has half a chance if he isn't Black... :crackup:

... yes, I'm trying to start some sh1t...

Yeah I'd definetly agree...although I'm hanging with like 6 inches of flaccid meat that the girls cannot keep their eyes off of.

I guess looks dont matter when there only looking at one thing, and by looking I really mean staring and drooling.

Edit:

with that I find it hilarious that the guys posting in this thread are acting like this matter hasn't been discussed to death about 4 million times in the past.

Sarcasm mode on:

this thread is definetly different than the other look threads and so much deep thought and discussions have happened.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

believe it or not, this is a very important discussion!

in all the 12 pages, its not actualyl flaming thats going on, its more people giving their views and arguign with each other, theres absolutely no reason to close this thread.......long threads get closed only if everything in it is FLAMING

not here

i wanna hear someone comment about me saying "looks is what gets ur foot in the door, and being sexual is then what gets u layed"

no one has addressed that yet.

I agree with you 100% skip. I just dont bring the "acting sexual" part up becuase this thread is focused on the looks element and explaining how it works, which people are fiercly trying to resist understanding. The second I start bringing it up, people will be like, "See, you contridicted yourself, you just admited that looks dont matter, that its the sexual attitude that matters! it got you layed."

But Ill adrress it here, and make my version of the theory crisp and clear (I beleive its may be identical to skips version):
a crystal clear explanation of my version of the theory:


sexual attitude gets you layed IF and only IF the woman finds you attractive and good looking.

If she does not find you attractive, sexual attitude will not work, it may well actually work against you.

"attractive/good looking" means: 1)she likes your eyes, 2)she likes your face, 3)she likes your body, 4) she likes your style.

attractive/good looking is somewhat subjective, some women will like it one way, others will like it another. this is how it is possible for most people to be able to pull hot chicks despite they arent model looking.


given this crisp definition of my version of the theory, I dare someone to prove it worng. Give me ANY real life example, and this above theory will be consistent with it!

 

[belividere]

"attractive/good looking" means: 1)she likes your eyes, 2)she likes your face, 3)she likes your body, 4) she likes your style.

attractive/good looking is somewhat subjective, some women will like it one way, others will like it another. this is how it is possible for most people to be able to pull hot chicks despite they arent model looking.



given this crisp definition of my version of the theory, I dare someone to prove it worng. Give me ANY real life example, and this above theory will be consistent with it!

Okay you said it yourself looks are subjective. That means that everyone has different tastes right? Well this has a lot to do with the herd mentality that females follow versus the objective reality of the situation.

Here is my first example, a good friend of mine is not really what most would consider attractive. He is about 5'7" or so and like 225 lbs. not the type to dress to impress or go out of his way to look good for the ladies. The guy is unbelievable though, the kind of guy that nobody would ever talk bad about, everyone likes, and really everyone wishes to be. He's like a less clownish Chris Farley in a way. He cant stay home because people like him and always give him something to do. Because of that his reputation and popularity precedes him and girls want to get on him before they even know him.

I have another good friend who is gay as it gets but constantly has girls trying to get him to switch teams. He also has tremendous social proof and is a pretty boy who really isn't so pretty.

I do attribute much of my success to being decent looking, especially when I was younger and in much better shape. I cant really deny that since I've seen myself being AFC and still getting laid. I will say though that two weekends ago I hooked up with a girl that has been straight lez for the past 10 years based on skills. I'm not talking about the ggw lipstick lesbo but the kind that gave up on men years ago and isn't attracted to men at all and only likes women.

Anyways this thread isn't anything new and the best responses aren't here. Take a look at A-Units response in anything else or do a search on this topic to get a more realistic idea of what looks are. Now that I think about it take a look at Jariels transformation and what he has to say about looks, he is truly one of this sites best success stories as well as being one of this sites best advice givers.

 

[DonJuanForever]

God of getting Layed

Ummm, you know this has gone on for too long. About 6 pages of this 13 page thread, is an argument between me and you about who's right and who's wrong. I just think that this can go on and on, LIFE is much more bigger than this, and we really aren't doing this site nor ourselves any favor by continuing to bash each other post after post.

So, I'll be the bigger man I guess, and end this flame between me and you, because it'll just go on and on. I'll call you another name, you'll come back at me, and it won't stop until we both are kicked off the forum and basically, I don't think it should come to that.

Maybe I should state the reasons for my posting on this thread in more accurate terms. I'm not a good writer or a good theory maker, so if I don't sound like Pook, guys don't nail me on to cross.

In my life experience with women, my looks have not really changed that much. I still really look the same, I dress differently though, but most of all I really look the same.

I got a lot of rejection when I was in my AFC days, because of my attitude and behavior. My attitude was mostly negative, I had a lot of insecurities, and I behaved like a whiny little bytch, lol. I wasn't sexual, I was afraid to be, plus...I really didn't know how to be.

I soon, after reading posts from guys here and trial and error, I learned what a big percentage of my problem was, it was my attitude and behavior around women.

I would experiment a lot, and act this way and that way, but one way that seemed to always make me relaxed, comfortable, and make them more open to me sexually....was when I was in my little seductive/sexual zone or state as I call it.

Maybe because I'm black I do it better? Don't know. But this always seems to work for me.

Now, I can't speak from anything but my experience. God of getting laid, I'm sorry if my "theory" is not as good as yours. I'm not a "theory" person, I'm a LIFE person....and a theory is nothing but another man's opinion.

Do looks have something to do with it yes...BUT FOR ME, FOR ME and my encounters with good looking women, white, black, red, mexican...even average ones, old ones, young ones...it was always my seductive/sexual attitude and behavior that built the most and quickest rapport and got me the most lays.

Thank you

 

[DonJuanForever]

and skip and god, I understand totally what you are saying.

You are saying, "Sexual stuff works, but if you are not something the girl likes to look at in the first few seconds, you have no chance."

Well that's a no-brainer boys. For if I look like the HutchBack of Notre Dame, I can lick my lips and grab my penis all day, rejection is still coming quicker than another gas price increase.

But see, you guys have to be realistic. If a guy looks "that ugly" that has nothing to do with "looks" that's more a disfigurement.

Take a big fat guy, real big and fat. Now, it will take a while for him to trim down to my size, but you know, I have friends, who are fat guys. But they dress very nice, their personalities are awesome, they are incrediably sexual around women, they are "cool" guys and a lot of people like them.

AND THEY GET LAID. I see it, I've seen it with my own eyes.

Which brings me back to my point. What I see in these guys is very much the same thing I see in myself, there's an inner love for themselves. These guys truly love themselves and love life, and love women as well.

The way they present themselves, even though they are not perfect, they still present themselves as though they love themselves and love life.

Their inner game is awesome. From that strong foundation, their attitude and behavior is positive and sexual, and their appearance is nice.

Guys just ask yourselves a question. A guy with a really big nose, really big ears, acme all over his face, HutchBack of Notre Dame looks.....don't you guys think that's PASS the "LOOKS" category? That guy has some medical issues.

Will Smith's ears are big, but not that big to where he's seen as a monster. Now I have seen guys with really, really, big ears, but they had some disfigurements.

A guy with acme all over, don't you think that guy needs some acme cream? It's a medical issue.

I hope, I really hope, you guys are JUST saying that a ugly guy with some disfigurements have no chance, because that's a no-brainer, and not really worth discussing. But, I HOPE you guys are not saying I must have a model looks, to get laid. You defiantly are not saying that right? Please don't tell me you guys are saying that, skip if you are saying that, I will have totally lost all respect for you buddy. How could you have such a lack of understanding, only about 1 out of 30 guys in a room have model type looks....does that mean the other guys have no chance? Does that mean the other guys don't get laid? Oh come on skip, please don't do this to me buddy......

Maybe if you guys would just relax, calm down (especially you god of getting layed) and listen to what I'm trying to say, you won't be SOO hung up on looks but you'll work more on your inner game and sexual game.

I don't want you guying turning metrosexual on me. :crackup:

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

Now, I can't speak from anything but my experience. God of getting laid, I'm sorry if my "theory" is not as good as yours. I'm not a "theory" person, I'm a LIFE person....and a theory is nothing but another man's opinion.

try telling that to einstein that his theory was just opinion. try telling newton that gravity was just an opinion. try telling the people who discovered DNA that their theory was just an opinion. Try telling the people who invented the atom bomb that the nuclear chain reaction was just a theory.

A theory is something that explains a set of obvservations. THis follows logic and invovles induction. THe universe is an objective place. A theory that explains observations perfectly is not just an opinion, its not like it will only be true if you agree with it. Weither you agree with it or not, it will be true or false (which ever is the case); the universe is objective, and theories are basically a description of a piece of this objective universe. Women are just another piece of this universe, and so a theory exists that can describe them perfectly, and its not opinion, it will describe women and be objective.

I cant say if that theory has been found yet. I beleive my theory explains 90% of real life observations, so its not a complete theory. But far better than anything Ive seen presented by anyone else or what this board has suggested.

Im not just a theorist and thats it. I do come up with theories, but are based on my experience. All my observations that have accumalated from experience with women, not just sarging experience, laying experience, but also experience by just being around women and hearing their comments in reactions to situations, like if a guy comes and approaches them to pick them up. I hear how they really feel about him after they brush him off.

 

[God_of_getting_layed]

I hope, I really hope, you guys are JUST saying that a ugly guy with some disfigurements have no chance, because that's a no-brainer, and not really worth discussing. But, I HOPE you guys are not saying I must have a model looks, to get laid. You defiantly are not saying that right? Please don't tell me you guys are saying that, skip if you are saying that, I will have totally lost all respect for you buddy. How could you have such a lack of understanding, only about 1 out of 30 guys in a room have model type looks....does that mean the other guys have no chance? Does that mean the other guys don't get laid? Oh come on skip, please don't do this to me buddy......

close but not quite. We arent saying you have to look like a model. looking like a model is an objective thing. A model look isnt just anyones opinion, not everyone can be a model. the model look has alot to do with the ideal mans attractiveness.

What we are saying is that the woman must find you attractive. you dont have to look like a model to find a woman who finds you attractive. you can have big ears/big nose and still find a woman that thinks your attractive However, looking like a model gives you a better chance of finding these women, becuase models have a higher percentage of women who find them attractive, non-models have a lot lower percentage, but still a reasonable amount.

This is what we are saying. Dont get things confused. We are saying SHE MUST find you attractive, or no sexual **** will work, NOTHING will work. Not that "you have to be a model or 0% of women will fvck you." thts not what we are saying. Women are different! you can look like average joe, but find women who makes up 5% of the population who will personally find you very attractive. IT can be done. ANY TIME YOU HAVE GOTTEN LAYED (if your not a model), you have found these special women. okay? Youve never fvcked a woman who personally thought you were ugly (unless she was ugly). Women wont let sex happen with a guy they find ugly, no matter what.

 

[DonJuanForever]

Cool God, let's keep having this discussion, let me ask you some things. You say,

"However, looking like a model gives you a better chance of finding these women, becuase models have a higher percentage of women who find them attractive, non-models have a lot lower percentage, but still a reasonable amount."

Where do you get this information? I go to the club God, and I grind every woman in there, I make out a lot, I leave with numbers. When I sarge about 8 girls, my average is about 6 numbers and 3 fvcks. These are quality, hot women....where do you get this information God? That's all I want to know?

You also said,

"ANY TIME YOU HAVE GOTTEN LAYED (if your not a model), you have found these special women. okay? Youve never fvcked a woman who personally thought you were ugly (unless she was ugly). Women wont let sex happen with a guy they find ugly, no matter what."

God....one day I would approach a chick and she would blow me off. The next time I see her, she's receptive to me. My looks were the same, I know that one day I was less sexual around her.

All I want to know God, is where do you get this information? From my experiences with life for 22 and a half years, I have not experienced what you are saying.....and I talk with women all the time buddy.

 

[DonJuanForever]

I understand what you and skip are saying, what I'M SAYING, is that why haven't MY LOOKS stopped me from banging hot chicks? I don't look like a GQ, looks wise I would rate me a 5. But my personality is over 10.....

God, skip, bvbidd...all I'm saying, is where do you get this information? I get laid, my boys get laid, we are the coolest guys in the club, all the chicks are on us.

We are not GQ models. I do NOTICE a lot of pretty boys standing against the walls though.

I do NOTICE a lot of pretty boys getting cheating on by their girls, I've done it a lot of times.

God, skip, bvbidd, I just don't see where your theory is right. That's why, I continue.....to disagree.

Even D9, the chick at www.seducingwomen101.com that I was chatting with, even she said it was about masculinity not looks and muscles.

God, here's the thing...and I got to stop calling you God, it feels like I'm praying. The thing is, I'm NOT saying a GQ model wouldn't get an initial look....but answer this question honestly, you skip, and bvbidd. Do you HONESTLY think a woman fvcked you because you were cute, or did your flow, sexuality, and seductive attitude have mostly to do with it?

In my opinion a pretty boy with NO sexuality is a faggot, a metrosexual....he thinks he looks better than her, lol, he probably does. Most of those guys don't even approach girls anyway....they usually stand there looking like the statue of liberty and WAITING for her to come and grab him...well, I've been of swooped her by then.

And hey, if you believe it was your looks, I respect that, and let's end this discussion, because most of all, all I care about is if you three are getting laid, enjoying life, and making money. That's what the goal of this site is, and I just log in to help some folks.

 

[wayword]

Even D9, the chick at www.seducingwomen101.com that I was chatting with, even she said it was about masculinity not looks and muscles.

Well, there ya go. Masculinity can compensate for poor looks.

Look at Sylvester Stallone and Vin Diesel. They have high sex appeal due to their big muscles and deep voices. Even though their faces are average at best.

So, if you are not great-looking but have high testosterone, you will still do good. This is why a lot of not-great-looking Black guys still do well.

Now, if you are fugly AND have low testosterone, then you're pretty fvcked. At least dating-wise. Healthwise, you'll probably stay slimmer and live longer with lower hormone levels (which increase cancer risk). Most of the girls with the huge bumps turn fat by 23 and naturally-built guys get potbellies by their 30s. These people just age much faster. Cuz lifespans are basically inversely-proportional to hormone levels and proportional to IQ. But, I digress...

 

[Bvbidd]

You are saying, "Sexual stuff works, but if you are not something the girl likes to look at in the first few seconds, you have no chance."

Well that's a no-brainer boys. For if I look like the HutchBack of Notre Dame, I can lick my lips and grab my penis all day, rejection is still coming quicker than another gas price increase.

That's all the arguement was, we thought you were denying that.

Okay, case closed. End this thread.

 

[sinner]

God, here's the thing...and I got to stop calling you God, it feels like I'm praying. The thing is, I'm NOT saying a GQ model wouldn't get an initial look....but answer this question honestly, you skip, and bvbidd. Do you HONESTLY think a woman fvcked you because you were cute, or did your flow, sexuality, and seductive attitude have mostly to do with it?

In my opinion a pretty boy with NO sexuality is a faggot, a metrosexual....he thinks he looks better than her, lol, he probably does. Most of those guys don't even approach girls anyway....they usually stand there looking like the statue of liberty and WAITING for her to come and grab him...well, I've been of swooped her by then.

****, i'm guilty of doing this. I just suckk..... Many times i'm the best dressed / best looking at the parties i go to .. i suck at conversing with the chick even when she's throwing herself at me. I'm gonna cut off my ****