Dude, you totally distorted what I said and what I posted. thats a lame way to rebut someones point.
Deus ex Pianoforte said:
Wait, no no no...your logic is flawed here. The whole root of the debate here is whether you can acquire good-looking women without being good-looking yourself. What YOU are suggesting is that women almost exclusively go after ugly men, and avoid good-looking men. Nobody said that. Obviously there are PLENTY of good-looking women that have good-looking boyfriends. But that's not the issue. You need to focus on proving your and Skip's contention, which is that no good-looking woman would date an average to bad-looking man. However, I have an issue of People from July 12th, 1993 that proves your perspective as flat-out wrong...so there's no point in continuing, other than maybe blind pride and stubbornness.
in your quote of what I said, (which isnt shown here), it is clear that you edited it, and basically put words in my mouth. You basically made it so that the observation I was refering was the observation of a hot guy with a hot girl.
No that is not the observation I was refering to in that post of mine. lets get this clear. Although its true that this is one of the things me and EXP saw in H.S. which I still see outside of H.S., he also made a point about the shallowness of women, good looking women wont be caught dead with an ugly guy, they just wont live with themselves. This is specifically what I was I was talking about in the post that you edited in your response, and decided to put words in my mouth. go back to that post, and notice I even use the word "shallowness", its clear that its the "shallowness" that I was talking about, not seeing 2 good looking people together.
It is the shallowness of good looking women that gives the looks theory a lot of weight! . Whats the shallowness Im talking about? well heres some examples:
-I knew a girl from HS that was good looking, and she would not date a guy unless he had a 6 pack. she just would not do it, she was so snotty about it. if the guy had no 6 pack, he didnt stand a chance. And your probably wondering how she would find this thing out? well, usually if a guy did have one, he would always find a way to conventiently show it off to her, ie. take your shirt off becuase your hot, or pull the bottom of your shirt up to wipe you face because your hot outside (which exposes the stomach). you know how some guys just have ot show off. If this isnt shallow, I dont know what is.
-I see it all too often, some guy who clearly has game (a smooth talker, one of those player type guys who I would have expected to get the girl) hitting on a hot chick, always up on her, being touchy, flirty, and the girl just sits there and acts cool and indifferent, then when he leaves, she startes talking with her friends about him: its clear she doesnt like him the way she makes a snarl and a barf expression on her face and even comments on his looks, flat out saying somethin along the lines of "ewww, hes soo ugly".
-Discussion with hot women on the topic, Ive been told many times by good looking women that they "just cant live withthemselves" dating a guy who they dont think is good looking. literally told me they would kill themselves if they dated a guy they didnt think was hot. yes, shallow, I know.
-Ive asked good looking women what they look for in a guy, an answer I often get really bluntly: "um, good looking guys". yep, shallow. why not an answer like "a guy with a good personality".
-Women at clubs will refuse to dance with a guy if he aint good looking to her. come on, its just a dance! imagine how resistant they will be when it comes to sex and dating with a guy thats not hot. clubs clearly demonstrate the shallowness in good looking women.
Theres so many more examples that demonstrate that hot women are shallow that I cant think of right at the moment.
But the fact is that I would find it hard to beleive that good looking women will be so shallow if looks didnt matter; I just wouldnt expect to be seeing this if the "looks dont matter" were true. but if looks did matter, I totally would expect to be seeing this kind of behavior. again, this observation just really tips the weight in the "looks theory" 's favor. I mean, hello! :wave:
again, not making sense. men have variance in taste, but this doesnt mean looks dont mean **** to us. and pointing out some women who like fat men is supposed to explain this is like me pointing out some men like fat women to justify my logic that mens variance in taste means looks dont mean **** to them, which we know looks do mean a lot to us.
Here we see that you are arguing a point that nobody attempted to make. Nobody said that looks don't mean s'hit to men. In fact, the opposite is the very basis of the debate. Looks are very important to the average man, due to our biological instincts and our sense of touch and sight being our main source of attraction to women. Women, on the other hand, base sexual attraction on emotions and the way a man makes them feel. Looks are much further down on the totem pole. And if this doesn't "make any sense" to you, please find one other person on
www.sosuave.net to agree, and I'll gladly provide a further explanation.
Here we see you cant comprehend anything. Looks not meaing **** to men? its an analagy to the point you made a few posts back. its was just such a stupid comment, I cant beleive you said it, it made no sense. you basically said that variance in women's taste is evidence that looks mean nothing to them.
this is exactly what you said!. Ive been trying to point out how flawed that logic is, by giving you an example that you can relate to. which does infact prove that vairance in taste is zero evidence that looks mean nothing to someone, man or woman! its was just a stupid comment you made. If I were you, I wouldnt event try to rebut this, I would try to avoid drawing as much attention to it as I could..such an illogical statement!
but look at your reply right below this. you point out women appriciate(sic) good looking men (just like us guys! how similar!). so which is it? women are different or women are similar to men? you like contridicting(sic) yourself dont you!?
You believe I am contradicting myself because you misunderstood my words in your exasperation. Women turn down men they consider attractive all the time. Considering a man attractive is known as an "appreciation of a handsome man." This is completely different from taking a man home/dating/marrying aforementioned man. For example, I can appreciate Sophia Loren's beauty. Yes, she is a beautiful woman. No, I will not have sex with her. Appreciation, without a relationship. I know you can see the difference.
women turning good looking men down? irrelevant to what I said. I was pointing out how women appriciating guys good looks is an example of how women are similar. You confirmed this example!! you stated that women do in fact appriciate good looks! While at the same time, your position argues that women are different. this example contridicts that kind of logic!
you cant argue women are different, and then agree and make confirmation on a trait that shows men and women are similar!
Does anyone remember how Angelina hooked up with Billy Bob? Also, David Spade does pretty damn well on the relationship sloppy seconds circuit.
