Lets get together and make this sosuave better.

[lookyoung]

Hey guys wtf is up with this site?????????? I have a few questions? whenever someone says anything about getting pvssy the persons thread gets flamed. Why is that?? We have too many idiots on this site, I don't understand it.


Guys like player supreme, skip2mylou, nasman, pimpin is easy,realest thing, Why are these guys getting banned when they at least are giving advice or are giving u situations were they are getting pvssy.

We just had plastic surgeon, codr 3 leave recently. Good guys that gave solid advice......


What I notice is the good guys are not sticking around or are getting banned. Instead u have people like Last man standing, La chico, sparky, and guys that post stupid one liners.

Come on guys this is a don juan forum. Not a one line forum. get with the program. Somebody needs to take action and get rid of garbage like this.

At least the guys that got banned talked about real life situations and pvssy. Some people here are just here to get entertained. I think it is probably because they have no life. Have no chance of ever getting a girl....


Lets do something about these one liner guys.... The funny thing is I will probably be the one getting banned for speaking my mind.... While the one liner guys will stay on.


Why doesn't every donjuan that reads this thread post something that u feel will make sosuave better.

 

[KillaCam]

Guys like player supreme, skip2mylou, nasman, pimpin is easy,realest thing, Why are these guys getting banned when they at least are giving advice or are giving u situations were they are getting pvssy.[/U][/B].

Don't confuse two completely different matters. They were banned for being degrading and abusive to other posters. That cannot be offset by any other issue. If you treat people like trash, you're out the door, they knew that, were wanred about it, but refused to listen. And don't even try to elude this fact.

There are people here that suck. Some provide absolutely no quality information whatsoever, but those are the ones you ignore. Anyone with half a brain knows you listen to the good advice, ignore the bad. It's pretty bloody simple. No one is being tied down by a ball and chain and forced to listen to idiots, readers make choices about what threads they read and take on board.

 

[danielzxc]

If it's simply about readers making choices, then why not allow even the abusive posters to stay? Afterall, it's just words on a screen, and even you seem to agree that they provided valuable content -- certainly a lot more valuable than the trash the one-liner "comedians" provide, that you insist have a right to post it. And it's obvious to me that, at least, pimpin is easy was provoked into being abusive, after the onslaught of accusations ensued that he's a troll or a liar or whatever.

 

[lookyoung]

People were just as abusive to these members as they were to them...


Read pimpin is easy posts he wasn't really that abusive. He was actually taking more abuse than he was giving. That is for sure. Make no mistake about that.



NOW WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE SOSUAVE BETTER........

 

[lookyoung]

If it's simply about readers making choices, then why not allow even the abusive posters to stay? Afterall, it's just words on a screen, and even you seem to agree that they provided valuable content -- certainly a lot more valuable than the trash the one-liner "comedians" provide, that you insist have a right to post it. And it's obvious to me that, at least, pimpin is easy was provoked into being abusive, after the onslaught of accusations ensued that he's a troll or a liar or whatever.

Exactly just because a guy has a certain style of saying things doesn't mean they should get banned. Believe it or not these guys were more valuable than 85% of the guys on this site....

I think that if guys are at least providing valuable content that they should be allowed to stay... I think this is an honest argument.


This isn't a religious forum, or a proper grammar forum. This is the freaking donjuan forum.... Why is when a guy talks about getting laid he gets flamed by 80% of the members here. I like hearing situations like this...

It gives me the motive to get out there and sarge and get girls... These guys that post these stupid oneliners are not doing anything for us as far as improving ourselves.


WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE SO SUAVE BETTER

 

[Yapper]

this IS a pretty gayass board for a bunch of wannabe alpha males. i mean word censorship... banishment for abuse? on an internet forum?? what kind of abuse is that? textual assault? gimme a break.

 

[KillaCam]

If it's simply about readers making choices, then why not allow even the abusive posters to stay? Afterall, it's just words on a screen, and even you seem to agree that they provided valuable content -- certainly a lot more valuable than the trash the one-liner "comedians" provide, that you insist have a right to post it. And it's obvious to me that, at least, pimpin is easy was provoked into being abusive, after the onslaught of accusations ensued that he's a troll or a liar or whatever.

Why not let them stay? Because, like we agree, choices are up to the people. Those abusive posters made the wrong choices, and paid accordingly. Yes, some people that have been banned gave bloody good advice, but they were directly told to not abuse people, and they didn't listen. If we start letting people ignore warnings, every man and their dog will start abusing others.

I whole heartedly agree that the one-line posters, and those who know absolutely zilch yet force it on others, should be told to shape up before they let their knowledge out. But that is a far different issue to when people are being directly attacked. It is, like we agree, just words on the screen, but abusive behaviour causes problems that are just not necessary.

There are rules set, and regardless of the persons value, if you break the rules, you're out.

 

[KillaCam]

People were just as abusive to these members as they were to them...


Read pimpin is easy posts he wasn't really that abusive. He was actually taking more abuse than he was giving. That is for sure. Make no mistake about that.

Too general. I agree, pimpin is easy's case was warped, but do not dare say that people like Skip was only abusive to those who provoked him unfairly. Too often he let rip on people who didn't deserve it.

 

[lookyoung]

I know what your saying but u have many one liner guys here that like to instigate things by flaming on there posts. And then when they retaliate hard then they get punished... It is not right and it is not fair.


WE can learn from one another. If someone talks about getting laid we should be telling them great job kid.. We should be supporting one another..

Not saying things like this guy is bvll****... Guys like last man standing the only thing they do is instigate.

 

[PigAdlemPimp]

The dudes who you have mentioned were being flamed because the dudes who were reading their posts obviously didn't beleive that their claims were real events and thought they were trolls making these stories up.
I personally don't know what to beleive when I read some of these stories, some of them are probably true whilst others are not.
You just have to read it for yourself and take what you beleive to be good advice and use that and just ignore it if you don't. :yes:

 

[danielzxc]

Even if the stories weren't real (what standard can you really apply to judge, anyway?), there were obviously PRINCIPLES raised. Yet instead of addressing the PRINCIPLES, people -- trolls, the real trolls -- focused on bashing the poster for being a "liar" or an "attention seeker" or some krap like that.

Obviously some people on here find it simply incredible that another guy would have picked up and laid a chick, so that tells you a LOT about the level of your average sosuave poster. Man, I thought I was green (I am) but these morons make me feel like the second coming of the original don juan himself.

 

[Wolves]

I'm really starting to wonder if this site has been taken over by AFC mods/admins. You mentioned guys like skip bein banned, well I've noticed that every single guy who comes to this forum to try and help people or offer a new perspective is either banned shortly or gets fed up and leaves.

The fact that they ban guys who, while they may be obnoxious, actually give REAL WORLD advice and experience, and yet guys who give out absolutely NO advice, troll EVERY advice post with something negative (one-liners), and are just generally bad for the forum are allowed to stick around and contribute to the detriment of the male gender.

Make no mistake guys, most of the true DJs, or anybody who knew what they were talking about and could speak from experience are gone, either left or were banned. You'll only be getting advice from closet AFCs nowadays.

 

[HoneyHitter]

We should criticize the post, NOT the poster.

All of us have (had) a pretty flawed idea of reality, or else we would not be here trying - and most of us merely hoping - to improve our ability to enjoy women. And life in general.

All the flaming is lowering the average value of a thread on sosuave.net .
I have a solution for this problem.

Introducing the Battle Zone
The Battle Zone is the portion of the site dedicated to personal attacks.
If you don't like someone's post and want to say "your dumb", "fvck off!",

LookYoung - You are the biggest troll on this board - quit your whining like a biatch - your posts are worthless and say nothing!!!

or anything like that, you should start a thread about that person and post flames in the Battle Zone. Anyone who uses any kind of negative adjective or noun to refer to someone on this forum should be warned after the first violation and banned at the second. Period.

The Battle Zone Protocol
There should be no censorship in the Battle Zone. If it's possible, everyone who enters the Battle Zone for the first time should be warned that he/she may be exposed to personal attacks.(moderators?) You should agree that this forum cannot be held responsible for any of your actions that may have been triggered by posts in the Battle Zone.

You may not defend yourself in the Battle Zone. You may only attack others by starting a thread about THEM in the Battle Zone. In other words: if someone starts a post about YOU in the Battle Zone, you are NOT allowed to post in that thread. Start a counter-attack if you want to flame back.

So what do you think about this?
I really hate to see some of the guys with valuable advice being banned from this site.
And I just got here a month ago! There are far too many guys here acting like pussies and polluting every thread they respond to without adding any value.

 

[diablo]

Moved to AE; inflammatory and off-topic posts deleted. If this thread continues to devolve into mindless bickering it will be closed without further warning.

I think that if guys are at least providing valuable content that they should be allowed to stay... I think this is an honest argument.

It's an interesting argument, if not completely valid. At what point should the line be drawn? If someone is constantly disrupting the forum, bringing personal attacks into completely unrelated threads and being a nuisance in general, should a blind eye be cast upon their actions? What if society were to act like this? Should we ignore pedophiles who prey on innocent children because they are doctors or lawyers? After all, aren't they providing valuable content to society in their professional role?

That being said, getting banned takes a lot of work to do. The decision to ban someone is not reached lightly by any means, and the person in question generally recieves several warnings either through thread posts or private messages (or a combination of these). Many factors are taken into consideration, such as length of membership, forum activity, how much the person contributes and how often complaints are recieved (and for what). These are just a few examples out of many, but they serve to illustrate the point that the people who were banned deserved what happened.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I'm really starting to wonder if this site has been taken over by AFC mods/admins. You mentioned guys like skip bein banned, well I've noticed that every single guy who comes to this forum to try and help people or offer a new perspective is either banned shortly or gets fed up and leaves.

The fact that they ban guys who, while they may be obnoxious, actually give REAL WORLD advice and experience, and yet guys who give out absolutely NO advice, troll EVERY advice post with something negative (one-liners), and are just generally bad for the forum are allowed to stick around and contribute to the detriment of the male gender.

Make no mistake guys, most of the true DJs, or anybody who knew what they were talking about and could speak from experience are gone, either left or were banned. You'll only be getting advice from closet AFCs nowadays.

[rant=on]
And these were the guys who got pissed when their "advice" was challenged. A lot of it were just tricks to get by and they may have gotten lucky once and it actually worked. There's a lot of guys in this forum who had grown past the tricks to just get a quick and dirty fvck. They want solid advice to build their talents, not playground childsplay that reeks of plain social promotion.

The guys who have been banned recently posts read as news stories, seldom providing much substance to learn from. Unfortunately most of the younger guys on in the forum blindly follow their escapades because they want the same flash and fame. They haven't gained enough experience to recognize that those methods are good for a quick fix at best and that's not what this forum is about (IMO).

So the schoolyard fights continue, a myriad of threads are started for and against and the forum is divided. Don't get me wrong, there is a place for difference in opinion and styles but what these guys have done (and have tried to do) is create lunatic factions who would follow them not because of the merit of their topic but out of blind faith. They purposely created turmoil in the forum for division. Player Supreme and PRL never did that and the people who were recently banned should not be included as being similar.
[/rant]

 

[Last Man Standing]

[rant=on]
And these were the guys who got pissed when their "advice" was challenged. A lot of it were just tricks to get by and they may have gotten lucky once and it actually worked. There's a lot of guys in this forum who had grown past the tricks to just get a quick and dirty fvck. They want solid advice to build their talents, not playground childsplay that reeks of plain social promotion.

The guys who have been banned recently posts read as news stories, seldom providing much substance to learn from. Unfortunately most of the younger guys on in the forum blindly follow their escapades because they want the same flash and fame. They haven't gained enough experience to recognize that those methods are good for a quick fix at best and that's not what this forum is about (IMO).

So the schoolyard fights continue, a myriad of threads are started for and against and the forum is divided. Don't get me wrong, there is a place for difference in opinion and styles but what these guys have done (and have tried to do) is create lunatic factions who would follow them not because of the merit of their topic but out of blind faith. They purposely created turmoil in the forum for division. Player Supreme and PRL never did that and the people who were recently banned should not be included as being similar.
[/rant]

I believe this sums it up well!

Some dudes on here don't like certain beliefs or styles of a poster and start complaining about nothing to create a stir and a fraction against that poster - these dudes are agitators and disruptors and like attention - and yes, mods have taken sides!

 

[Skilla_Staz]

I've got a question...

You say you want SS to be better, but all I've read is "why why why" stuff. Please, offer some suggestions. So far I've only seen one, and that was the Battle Forum.

" I have a few questions? whenever someone says anything about getting pvssy the persons thread gets flamed."

A. Thats not a question.
B. Most of the threads in this entire board are about getting p*ssy. So far the only people I've seen getting banned are the guys who are just down right retarded as far as I'm concerned. They flame people for the slightest things, they offer very little HELPFUL advice, yet they like to toot their own horn. This is a self improvement site fellas, not a "Look at me, I'm the king sh*t" site. If you're not looking to better yourself, or help others better THEMSELVES, then why even be here? Theres so many people sitting around, being keyboard jockeys, and ranting about stuff thats beyond their control. Then, when they have a shot to say something about it, they just sit there and complain instead of offer valuable suggestions.


MY suggestion for making this site better is to make a seperate forum for the DJ Bible and all its variations. That way people can't be like "Oh I can't find it". A FAQ section would also be helpful. People who post silly sh*t that can EASILY be answered by READING should have that post deleted. No questions asked. Insults will be decreased due to the lack of "Read the bible" or "You're a f*cking chump" type responses.


Also, if it is possible, give the reputation thing a little more hype. Make it more of an issue. This way, valuable posters get the recognition they deserve.

Every month, see if theres a way to make "Member of the Month". A member who has contributed the most. Have some of the members vote on it as well. Give 4 or 5 options of the mods' choice, and let them pick.

 

[organizedconfusion]

go to real social dynamics forums.com..i been over there for a bit and it's a totally different enviroment .i stopped coming here what seems like ages ago..it just gets old over here and the same type of crowd and BS.The vibe over there is great because everyone is getting laid like rockstars and gives real world advice and feedback.Most people here seems stuffy and uptight or just plain clueless.Everytime i am over here i feel like i am hanging around a bunch of dorks or something, i just hover around the anything else board anyways...

 

[Demon]

This thread is practically a duplicate (minus the boo-hoo-banned nonsense) of the following:

Survey: The Utility of SoSuave (Only Three Little Questions!)
11-06-2006, 03:12 PM

 

[Skip is back]

[rant=on]
And these were the guys who got pissed when their "advice" was challenged. A lot of it were just tricks to get by and they may have gotten lucky once and it actually worked. There's a lot of guys in this forum who had grown past the tricks to just get a quick and dirty fvck. They want solid advice to build their talents, not playground childsplay that reeks of plain social promotion.

The guys who have been banned recently posts read as news stories, seldom providing much substance to learn from. Unfortunately most of the younger guys on in the forum blindly follow their escapades because they want the same flash and fame. They haven't gained enough experience to recognize that those methods are good for a quick fix at best and that's not what this forum is about (IMO).

So the schoolyard fights continue, a myriad of threads are started for and against and the forum is divided. Don't get me wrong, there is a place for difference in opinion and styles but what these guys have done (and have tried to do) is create lunatic factions who would follow them not because of the merit of their topic but out of blind faith. They purposely created turmoil in the forum for division. Player Supreme and PRL never did that and the people who were recently banned should not be included as being similar.
[/rant]

my advice was never challenged, it was actually just thrown stupid insults at, such as "ur fake, no way this works" ect ect or some other sarcastic crap.........actually challenging my advice? nobody coherntly ever did that. If everyone initiated attacks on me, then why in the blue hell should I be the one who is banned? I did not initiate attacks or flame wars, THEY WERE INITIATED ON ME!