Let's Change The World. Seriously.

[justaroundthecorner]

Tbh large amounts of advice posted on this forum is terribly outdated (PUAs era advice leads to uphill battles in dating in the era of superficial apps where suddenly height, looks & money are much more important than 20 years ago).

I get that whiners are annoying but before I met my wife I was rather actively dating between 2005 and 2020 and despite better looks, earning money and being (arguably) in my prime since 2018 I had much more issues with creating attraction with same height female in 2018 than in 2005 - I didn't even think at that time that being same height is the issue.

In current dating world top 5% males in SMV may sleep with MUCH more females than they could in 2005 due to much better networking via social media while average guy has it the other way around.

Therefore it would be logical for forum to update it's knowledge and scope of advice - "hit the gym" is fine but not necessarily the must - my guess would be to concentrate on being authentic best version of yourself i.e. if you love reading, show it on social media. If you love doing photos - show it as well. Get some hobbies that are both interesting and match your personality.

I think that instead of banning users, forum should change. Picking up got much more brutal and difficult than it was 20 years ago (even nice guys had a chance to pick up women too at that time). Now social media and TV promote poor archetypes when it comes to men (mostly tattooed bad boys with issues and troublesome personality) and it is confusing for average Joe's as well, as the "incellization" of male society is speeding up.

Therefore, not to offend anybody, but most of 40+ users of this forums may simply not get what younger guys are facing right now. The perceived abundance of choice via dating apps and social media for normal guys is an illusion. It is the other way around.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Tbh large amounts of advice posted on this forum is terribly outdated (PUAs era advice leads to uphill battles in dating in the era of superficial apps where suddenly height, looks & money are much more important than 20 years ago).

I get that whiners are annoying but before I met my wife I was rather actively dating between 2005 and 2020 and despite better looks, earning money and being (arguably) in my prime since 2018 I had much more issues with creating attraction with same height female in 2018 than in 2005 - I didn't even think at that time that being same height is the issue.

In current dating world top 5% males in SMV may sleep with MUCH more females than they could in 2005 due to much better networking via social media while average guy has it the other way around.

Therefore it would be logical for forum to update it's knowledge and scope of advice - "hit the gym" is fine but not necessarily the must - my guess would be to concentrate on being authentic best version of yourself i.e. if you love reading, show it on social media. If you love doing photos - show it as well. Get some hobbies that are both interesting and match your personality.

I think that instead of banning users, forum should change. Picking up got much more brutal and difficult than it was 20 years ago (even nice guys had a chance to pick up women too at that time). Now social media and TV promote poor archetypes when it comes to men (mostly tattooed bad boys with issues and troublesome personality) and it is confusing for average Joe's as well, as the "incellization" of male society is speeding up.

Therefore, not to offend anybody, but most of 40+ users of this forums may simply not get what younger guys are facing right now. The perceived abundance of choice via dating apps and social media for normal guys is an illusion. It is the other way around.

Successfully building attraction is similar to martial arts which are actually effective for self-defense/combat: There are many "systems", yet they're more similar than different, for the simple fact that there are only so many ways to crack someone's wind pipe in half, or rip an eyeball out of someone's head

Much of Red Pill Thought, by contrast, is akin to Wushu... Flashy and fun to look at, yet ultimately nonsensical in most respects

 

[Vanderdonck]

Tbh large amounts of advice posted on this forum is terribly outdated (PUAs era advice leads to uphill battles in dating in the era of superficial apps where suddenly height, looks & money are much more important than 20 years ago).

I get that whiners are annoying but before I met my wife I was rather actively dating between 2005 and 2020 and despite better looks, earning money and being (arguably) in my prime since 2018 I had much more issues with creating attraction with same height female in 2018 than in 2005 - I didn't even think at that time that being same height is the issue.

In current dating world top 5% males in SMV may sleep with MUCH more females than they could in 2005 due to much better networking via social media while average guy has it the other way around.

Therefore it would be logical for forum to update it's knowledge and scope of advice - "hit the gym" is fine but not necessarily the must - my guess would be to concentrate on being authentic best version of yourself i.e. if you love reading, show it on social media. If you love doing photos - show it as well. Get some hobbies that are both interesting and match your personality.

I think that instead of banning users, forum should change. Picking up got much more brutal and difficult than it was 20 years ago (even nice guys had a chance to pick up women too at that time). Now social media and TV promote poor archetypes when it comes to men (mostly tattooed bad boys with issues and troublesome personality) and it is confusing for average Joe's as well, as the "incellization" of male society is speeding up.

Therefore, not to offend anybody, but most of 40+ users of this forums may simply not get what younger guys are facing right now. The perceived abundance of choice via dating apps and social media for normal guys is an illusion. It is the other way around.

You make a good point.

People said the same on this forum 25 years ago too.

The truth is very little changes. And to the extent that it does, people here are good at adapting and dispensing with fresh advice. Younger users are probably better at offering fresh perspectives on tech and application while older users generally have more timeless wisdom to share.

The point is not to ban people or sh*t on different opinions. It's that whatever advice is offered that users be taking it and applying it. It is 100% up to the individual to accept or reject other opinions.

Spending excess bandwidth on this forum just to offer the same defeatist counterpoints and excuses rather than taking action is just wasting everyone's time and dragging the forum down. It's mostly our fault for feeding trolls. I'm all for variety of opinion but the creepy black pill / incel stuff doesn't really have a place here. And yes, some of it IS creepy. I'd link a couple here but don't want to be a bully. Besides that, posting for advice and then rejecting the advice repeatedly is not the worst thing but I think we all have to learn to stop arguing with people like that and let them be.

 

[Gamisch]

Tbh large amounts of advice posted on this forum is terribly outdated (PUAs era advice leads to uphill battles in dating in the era of superficial apps where suddenly height, looks & money are much more important than 20 years ago).

I get that whiners are annoying but before I met my wife I was rather actively dating between 2005 and 2020 and despite better looks, earning money and being (arguably) in my prime since 2018 I had much more issues with creating attraction with same height female in 2018 than in 2005 - I didn't even think at that time that being same height is the issue.

In current dating world top 5% males in SMV may sleep with MUCH more females than they could in 2005 due to much better networking via social media while average guy has it the other way around.

Therefore it would be logical for forum to update it's knowledge and scope of advice - "hit the gym" is fine but not necessarily the must - my guess would be to concentrate on being authentic best version of yourself i.e. if you love reading, show it on social media. If you love doing photos - show it as well. Get some hobbies that are both interesting and match your personality.

I think that instead of banning users, forum should change. Picking up got much more brutal and difficult than it was 20 years ago (even nice guys had a chance to pick up women too at that time). Now social media and TV promote poor archetypes when it comes to men (mostly tattooed bad boys with issues and troublesome personality) and it is confusing for average Joe's as well, as the "incellization" of male society is speeding up.

Therefore, not to offend anybody, but most of 40+ users of this forums may simply not get what younger guys are facing right now. The perceived abundance of choice via dating apps and social media for normal guys is an illusion. It is the other way around.

Imo you show exactly where and why it's difficult for (young)men:


"In current dating world top 5% males in SMV may sleep with MUCH more females than they could in 2005 due to much better networking via social media while average guy has it the other way around."

"Therefore it would be logical for forum to update it's knowledge and scope of advice - "hit the gym" is fine but not necessarily the must - my guess would be to concentrate on being authentic best version of yourself i.e. if you love reading, show it on social media. If you love doing photos - show it as well. Get some hobbies that are both interesting and match your personality."

This is contradictory advice that apparently now 80% of users throw around. That 5 % is the new norm. That means that EVERY man MUST try to be as close to that 5% in order to maximise his chances.

The idea to just display your hobbies and "be your authentic self" on the other hand is advice that might've worked 20 years ago. Nowadays you can be attractive, say as less as possible and still be on the winning side.

Everyone is his authentic self by default. But you gotta be the best version of your authentic self. Your authentic self in top shape, with some cash to spare and a sense of how to treat a lady.

The gym. Two words but yet takes a lifetime of effort and knowledge updates to actually be successful at it. IIt's ike trying to build a house. First you'll need a solid foundation. The foundation nowadays is : physical , financial , spiritual, emotional, stylistic. The gym is an ABSOLUTE must. Just like the other things I've mentioned.

If a man manages to control those aspects he will be closer to his goal of getting women than when he counts on his " authentic self " to be successful , especially when he LACKS succes.

 

[Swagman]

This is a really good thread, excellent contributions by too many people to name. RP is a rabbit hole that can suck you in and convince you that everything that frustrates you is someone else's fault, and that if the world was just like the 1950s fantasy that never actually existed then you'd have a problem free life. It will also turn you into someone that hates women, and women can smell this on a man from across a football field. Genuinely liking women plays a huge role in how successful you are with them - same with anyone really. More broadly, if you're a misanthrope you probably won't make too many friends.

I'm starting to get out there and meet girls again after being hitched for over a decade. I assumed all the talk about dating being harder now was overblown but no - it really is much, MUCH harder than it was before, for reasons that have to do with me as well as changes in how people date. But you know what, I have one life to live and I'm not gonna fritter it away getting upset about things I can't control, I'm gonna work with what I have and make the best of whatever situation I find myself in. If the choice is to be a field agent or an analyst, I'm choosing to work in the field.

When I'm at the gym it's never the super jacked or ultra athletic guys that impress me the most, it's the overweight and out of shape people who turn up day in day out and get after it. Being new here I would hope to see the same thing here, if a guy turns up and he's 45, out of shape, unable to get women etc, this is fine provided he's making moves to improve things. I have zero time for anyone in that situation that just wants to come to a forum and complain about how their situation is someone else's fault.