Let's Change The World. Seriously.

[New_Journey]

All,

We are here in this corner of the Internet because of common reason, we know about the red pill, truths about dating, truths about what being a man means for society, truths about competition, etc. When times are tough, people who wanna be better look for answers everywhere, even online, and as you know right now times are tough for men and women. There is a saying the pendulum always swings both directions, eventually things will become better and worse again, cause history always repeats itself.

However, we have in our hands the keys to save future generations, we have this forum. Imagine X years from now when things go back to being bad how they are today and lost boys looking for answers online and find this forum.

You might not think is a big deal, but many men have ended their lives because his oneitis left him, and he doesn't have a compass to guide him to do better because he thinks that woman is his life. With the loss of fathers, many boys are lost today with respect to life and love, we should be the pioneers for the future generations in how to regain control of their lives.

For good or bad, we all in here together with our differences.

I propose to every man in here, to work on himself, shed any limiting belief he has, get a better physique, make more money, approach women, eliminate the fear of doing X or Y, leave the defeatist mentality and be an example for future generations, and most importantly, document your field reports in the forum.

To fix the world you first have to fix yourself, we have a fvcking responsibility to fix ourselves in order to fix the world, don't waste this opportunity of doing something good for humanity, even behind a screen you don't know which life of a man you're saving by just leading by example how to do better in life.

Seriously, lets make this forum what it was once before, that future generations will want to trade places with us.

 

[The Duke]

 

[BillyPilgrim]

^ You can't help the world in any significant way unless you're willing to endure ontological shock, which among other things entails realizing the U.S. Military is not a force for good, as Gen. Smeldy Butler detailed in "War Is A Racket" and President Eisenhower did when he warned us about the military-industrial complex in his farewell speech in 1960.

Self-discipline good, war bad.

 

[Plinco]

Seriously, lets make this forum what it was once before, that future generations will want to trade places with us.

I was around here when times on here were better. Here are the two key differences:

1. Attitude: None of this nonsense of being determined by things seemingly outside of your control. There was a push to conform new members to having a 'can do' attitude. This was the background culture that whipped people into shape.

2. Personal experience/observations > "theory" People here were out experiencing life first and foremost. If you weren't doing that, your place here was to ask for help. No theory without experience and no complaining.

 

[Dr.Suave]

The Mods have been talking something along these lines for a while. Basically lets "Make SoSuave Great Again". We are gonna have to make some unpopular desicions (I mean, more than usual. It has always been part of the job).

We are not sure when this forum devolved from being a place where men could get help with women to a place where incels and degenerates came to post their weird stuff and espouse their ideas but that is going to stop moving forward. There are plenty of forums for them, not sure why they feel the need to be here but we are of the firm belief that this is not the place for them.

They aren't seeking help, they don't want solutions to their problems, they just want someone to tell them they are right and the ability to have someone listen to them complain. We are not their therapist and this board should not be the place for that either. The only thing being accomplished by continuing to have these type of posters on the forum is to drive away people who actually want to use the forum for what it's purpose was when it was founded.

If I was on a Football forum and I wanted to talk about Hockey or Basketball, I might not be breaking any "forum rules", but I am clearly not there to discuss what the forum was designed for. It's not as if they have a few posts that are off the rails and we make a rash judgement, it's hundreds of posts over years of time that the same people come up with same excuses and ideas and beliefs that have nothing to do with this forum. They have incel forums and other places where people who want to espouse this garbage can go...let them go do it there, we don't need this here.

Things have come to a point were we need to make a decision whether we want to support the wrong people for the forum that are costing us the right people in many cases or if we want to continue this long slow decline that's been going on for a while now. Trying to be all things for all people leads to being no things for no people. If we do not enforce change then it's just going to continue.

We would like to improve the health of the forum. One of the reasons a lot of good members barely read or participate on the forum anymore is the fact that there's way less threads about how to do it right. Much of the stuff we scroll past looks like "what's wrong with everything" threads, which are mostly not constructive for what this forum is about. There has always been some of that here, but we think the ratio is too much in the negative direction these days.

Right now there are too many whiny men on here. Incels that boo hoo around looking for an ego stroke to black pill men who are done with women. I think we would all like to see this forum back to what it was.

Many of the threads and posts we see as problematic, but still technically within forum rules today are kinda close to the topic of this forum. On the face it may seem like it's on topic and a valid point of discussion, but as we all know, when seen in a wider context of these types of members it becomes quite clear they're not constructive at all.

If you are not here to discuss things for the purpose of the forum, then you are in the wrong place whether or not you are violating rules of the forum. Some of the posters not only are not here for the purpose of the forum, they actively work against that purpose by bringing in this incel stuff, are against any forum of self improvement of accountability and have an excuse for anything that you say towards that.

If this were a forum about football and all they kept posting was that they hate football and never watch it etc, how long do you think before they got the boot? Probably not very long. It's no different. They have no reason to be here because the purpose of the forum differs from what they want to talk about. Plenty of forums for them to discuss this with like minded people, they can go there.

It has come to a point that going forward, in order to participate and have the privilege to post on this forum, in addition to the Forum Rules, it is going to have to be expected that ALL members of the forum either add or receive value from the forum´s posts. The contributions should be meaningful and constructive. Members should apply valuable insight shared with them, or change their perspectives in a meaningful way. Incel behaviours do more harm than good. The argument that they provoke discussion on this forum and give us an opportunity to help pull others away from the black pill is nonsensical... The only consequence we have seen from the black pill content that has oversaturated this forum the past few years is that all the practical gold nugget advice that used to be found abundantly on the forum is now being smothered and bogged down by whining, negativity, and nihilism.

We are not here to coddle internet strangers. We are not their therapists nor responsible if they "don't have anywhere else to go"
Anyone who simultaneously offers no benefit to the forum, nor derives any from it, will be banned because otherwise, WHY ARE THEY HERE?

This forum is a place to get better with women, not a place to whine about how bad and unfair the world is.
We would like for this forum to be more POSITIVE. We don't like negativity, the whining, complaining, and bashing of women.

We are draining the swamp.

 

[Plinco]

The Mods have been talking something along these lines for a while. Basically lets "Make SoSuave Great Again". We are gonna have to make some unpopular desicions (I mean, more than usual. It has always been part of the job).

We are not sure when this forum devolved from being a place where men could get help with women to a place where incels and degenerates came to post their weird stuff and espouse their ideas but that is going to stop moving forward. There are plenty of forums for them, not sure why they feel the need to be here but we are of the firm belief that this is not the place for them.

They aren't seeking help, they don't want solutions to their problems, they just want someone to tell them they are right and the ability to have someone listen to them complain. We are not their therapist and this board should not be the place for that either. The only thing being accomplished by continuing to have these type of posters on the forum is to drive away people who actually want to use the forum for what it's purpose was when it was founded.

If I was on a Football forum and I wanted to talk about Hockey or Basketball, I might not be breaking any "forum rules", but I am clearly not there to discuss what the forum was designed for. It's not as if they have a few posts that are off the rails and we make a rash judgement, it's hundreds of posts over years of time that the same people come up with same excuses and ideas and beliefs that have nothing to do with this forum. They have incel forums and other places where people who want to espouse this garbage can go...let them go do it there, we don't need this here.

Things have come to a point were we need to make a decision whether we want to support the wrong people for the forum that are costing us the right people in many cases or if we want to continue this long slow decline that's been going on for a while now. Trying to be all things for all people leads to being no things for no people. If we do not enforce change then it's just going to continue.

We would like to improve the health of the forum. One of the reasons a lot of good members barely read or participate on the forum anymore is the fact that there's way less threads about how to do it right. Much of the stuff we scroll past looks like "what's wrong with everything" threads, which are mostly not constructive for what this forum is about. There has always been some of that here, but we think the ratio is too much in the negative direction these days.

Right now there are too many whiny men on here. Incels that boo hoo around looking for an ego stroke to black pill men who are done with women. I think we would all like to see this forum back to what it was.

Many of the threads and posts we see as problematic, but still technically within forum rules today are kinda close to the topic of this forum. On the face it may seem like it's on topic and a valid point of discussion, but as we all know, when seen in a wider context of these types of members it becomes quite clear they're not constructive at all.

If you are not here to discuss things for the purpose of the forum, then you are in the wrong place whether or not you are violating rules of the forum. Some of the posters not only are not here for the purpose of the forum, they actively work against that purpose by bringing in this incel stuff, are against any forum of self improvement of accountability and have an excuse for anything that you say towards that.

If this were a forum about football and all they kept posting was that they hate football and never watch it etc, how long do you think before they got the boot? Probably not very long. It's no different. They have no reason to be here because the purpose of the forum differs from what they want to talk about. Plenty of forums for them to discuss this with like minded people, they can go there.

It has come to a point that going forward, in order to participate and have the privilege to post on this forum, in addition to the Forum Rules, it is going to have to be expected that ALL members of the forum either add or receive value from the forum´s posts. The contributions should be meaningful and constructive. Members should apply valuable insight shared with them, or change their perspectives in a meaningful way. Incel behaviours do more harm than good. The argument that they provoke discussion on this forum and give us an opportunity to help pull others away from the black pill is nonsensical... The only consequence we have seen from the black pill content that has oversaturated this forum the past few years is that all the practical gold nugget advice that used to be found abundantly on the forum is now being smothered and bogged down by whining, negativity, and nihilism.

We are not here to coddle internet strangers. We are not their therapists nor responsible if they "don't have anywhere else to go"
Anyone who simultaneously offers no benefit to the forum, nor derives any from it, will be banned because otherwise, WHY ARE THEY HERE?

This forum is a place to get better with women, not a place to whine about how bad and unfair the world is.
We would like for this forum to be more POSITIVE. We don't like negativity, the whining, complaining, and bashing of women.

We are draining the swamp.

I'd like to see a big group of 2000's era quality people on here, and improving the reputation of this forum I think will attract such people. Perhaps having an X account for this forum could be considered in order to get around the shadow censorship, that is, after improving the quality on here.

 

[The Duke]

The Mods have been talking something along these lines for a while. Basically lets "Make SoSuave Great Again". We are gonna have to make some unpopular desicions (I mean, more than usual. It has always been part of the job).

We are not sure when this forum devolved from being a place where men could get help with women to a place where incels and degenerates came to post their weird stuff and espouse their ideas but that is going to stop moving forward. There are plenty of forums for them, not sure why they feel the need to be here but we are of the firm belief that this is not the place for them.

They aren't seeking help, they don't want solutions to their problems, they just want someone to tell them they are right and the ability to have someone listen to them complain. We are not their therapist and this board should not be the place for that either. The only thing being accomplished by continuing to have these type of posters on the forum is to drive away people who actually want to use the forum for what it's purpose was when it was founded.

If I was on a Football forum and I wanted to talk about Hockey or Basketball, I might not be breaking any "forum rules", but I am clearly not there to discuss what the forum was designed for. It's not as if they have a few posts that are off the rails and we make a rash judgement, it's hundreds of posts over years of time that the same people come up with same excuses and ideas and beliefs that have nothing to do with this forum. They have incel forums and other places where people who want to espouse this garbage can go...let them go do it there, we don't need this here.

Things have come to a point were we need to make a decision whether we want to support the wrong people for the forum that are costing us the right people in many cases or if we want to continue this long slow decline that's been going on for a while now. Trying to be all things for all people leads to being no things for no people. If we do not enforce change then it's just going to continue.

We would like to improve the health of the forum. One of the reasons a lot of good members barely read or participate on the forum anymore is the fact that there's way less threads about how to do it right. Much of the stuff we scroll past looks like "what's wrong with everything" threads, which are mostly not constructive for what this forum is about. There has always been some of that here, but we think the ratio is too much in the negative direction these days.

Right now there are too many whiny men on here. Incels that boo hoo around looking for an ego stroke to black pill men who are done with women. I think we would all like to see this forum back to what it was.

Many of the threads and posts we see as problematic, but still technically within forum rules today are kinda close to the topic of this forum. On the face it may seem like it's on topic and a valid point of discussion, but as we all know, when seen in a wider context of these types of members it becomes quite clear they're not constructive at all.

If you are not here to discuss things for the purpose of the forum, then you are in the wrong place whether or not you are violating rules of the forum. Some of the posters not only are not here for the purpose of the forum, they actively work against that purpose by bringing in this incel stuff, are against any forum of self improvement of accountability and have an excuse for anything that you say towards that.

If this were a forum about football and all they kept posting was that they hate football and never watch it etc, how long do you think before they got the boot? Probably not very long. It's no different. They have no reason to be here because the purpose of the forum differs from what they want to talk about. Plenty of forums for them to discuss this with like minded people, they can go there.

It has come to a point that going forward, in order to participate and have the privilege to post on this forum, in addition to the Forum Rules, it is going to have to be expected that ALL members of the forum either add or receive value from the forum´s posts. The contributions should be meaningful and constructive. Members should apply valuable insight shared with them, or change their perspectives in a meaningful way. Incel behaviours do more harm than good. The argument that they provoke discussion on this forum and give us an opportunity to help pull others away from the black pill is nonsensical... The only consequence we have seen from the black pill content that has oversaturated this forum the past few years is that all the practical gold nugget advice that used to be found abundantly on the forum is now being smothered and bogged down by whining, negativity, and nihilism.

We are not here to coddle internet strangers. We are not their therapists nor responsible if they "don't have anywhere else to go"
Anyone who simultaneously offers no benefit to the forum, nor derives any from it, will be banned because otherwise, WHY ARE THEY HERE?

This forum is a place to get better with women, not a place to whine about how bad and unfair the world is.
We would like for this forum to be more POSITIVE. We don't like negativity, the whining, complaining, and bashing of women.

We are draining the swamp.

Thank you. I'm one that has contemplated leaving because of the losers. I'm thankful management has picked up on the current environment.
.

Fyi, I promise you @corrector and @GoodMan32 that you guys are at the top of the list. Your days are numbered. You both have had plenty of notice and warnings. If you had an ounce of respect for yourself and others you would kindly exit immediately.And if you don't, I promise you I will turn the heat up on your azz so you hate this place

 

[New_Journey]

Whether we like it or not, we are gonna be in this corner of the internet, y'all know there is no turning back to the matrix, we have to make the best of what the time we have left. Three objectives unite us, make more gainz, make more money, and fvck more b!tches. @Gamisch, @corrector, @Divorced w 3, @BPH @Hamurabimbi, @SW15, @Lotus Effect, @jhonny9546, @jamesfromhouston

Imagine a bunch of random guys from different heights, looks, race, religion, killing it in live and dating, then dumping all that proved knowledge and experience in this forum, imagine the gift in return you'll be giving back to humanity, imagine the example you'll be giving to your children.

 

[characternote]

the 'knowledge' is already out there though? Just read mysterymethod and bookofpook etc. That is the stuff that used to be talked about on forums like this. It's already in PDF files etc. Doesn't need to be here?

PUA Forums in the old days (including this one) would have lots of threads about the best negs to use, when best to disqualify a girl, 'why didn't this opener and stack work on this girl?', 'did I do this pushpull wrong?', 'give me your best DHV stories for after the opener', 'what do you transition with after the opener??' etc etc. I remember it well on ASF forum, 'lovesystems' Attraction forums etc

But over time it's all been reduced down to 'hit the gym! make more money. Approach more girls!' by the community (and rightly so, tbh. I mean, based on my time here i'm sure nobody is into/believes all of that old school PUA stuff anyway? if they did, the advice here for when someone is struggling wouldn't be to hit the gym)

So I'm not sure what people expect to see in this new utopia? I certainly don't expect a reversion back to 'why didn't this opener work?' threads.

And since the conensus seems to be fairy simple ('hit the gym' etc) then won't it just be a complete ghost town of a forum?

I mean, I agree we don't need endless complaining about women and the dating scene etc, but I feel like the reason this gets so much air time is because there's not that much left to say? Everyone gets that they should hit the gym etc. Only so many threads you can make about that

 

[New_Journey]

the 'knowledge' is already out there though? Just read mysterymethod and bookofpook etc. That is the stuff that used to be talked about on forums like this. It's already in PDF files etc. Doesn't need to be here?

PUA Forums in the old days (including this one) would have lots of threads about the best negs to use, when best to disqualify a girl, 'why didn't this opener and stack work on this girl?', 'did I do this pushpull wrong?', 'give me your best DHV stories for after the opener', 'what do you transition with after the opener??' etc etc. I remember it well on ASF forum, 'lovesystems' Attraction forums etc

But over time it's all been reduced down to 'hit the gym! make more money. Approach more girls!' by the community (and rightly so, tbh. I mean, based on my time here i'm sure nobody is into/believes all of that old school PUA stuff anyway? if they did, the advice here for when someone is struggling wouldn't be to hit the gym)

So I'm not sure what people expect to see in this new utopia? I certainly don't expect a reversion back to 'why didn't this opener work?' threads.

And since the conensus seems to be fairy simple ('hit the gym' etc) then won't it just be a complete ghost town of a forum?

I mean, I agree we don't need endless complaining about women and the dating scene etc, but I feel like the reason this gets so much air time is because there's not that much left to say? Everyone gets that they should hit the gym etc. Only so many threads you can make about that

What a better way to change that than you going and posting a field report about your latest lay.

 

[characternote]

What a better way to change that than you going and posting a field report about your latest lay?

I mean, I could do it, but I don't think it would add any value.
I might have even wrote about my latest lay the other week? (or maybe I mentioned it to mikedee(?) in a DM who left the forum recently). Can't' quite remember. One of the two

I could write a 'proper' FR about it, but I don't think it would add much to forum over the shorthand version which was that I was out with 2 friends bar hopping. I hit on one a girl near the bar. Asked her some questions and made some comments etc, and was basically getting nothing back from her so I ejected since I clearly wasn't her type.
Same for the next 3 or 4 approaches if I remember correctly.
5th approach the girl is way more receptive and we flirt. It fizzles out when more and more of her friends enter the set and my wings weren't able to keep any of their attention
next opener was another fast rejection I think? (zero effort on her part. like pulling teeth. Not into me)
And then soon after a girl basically nudged me on purpose pretending it was a mistake. I open her and jokingly accuse her of being clumsy. She introduces herself and It's obvious that it's 'on'. We talk a bit. I get us a drink and we sit down on theoutskirts of the area where people are dancing. Slowly get closer and then we kiss a bit. Her much older brother comes over with a girl he is trying to pull. We all chat briefly. I ask where she lives and it's fairly close (I wasn't in my own town). We go back to hers and bang (she told me in the morning that she noticed me walking down the stairs on my way back from the bathroom and made her plan to knock into me at that point)

That's basically it.

I've written hundreds of FR's and used to read them too etc, but over time I think people decided they were kind of pointless. We had this debate on seddit (reddit seduction forum) some time back.

The issue was that if someone wrote about a rejection, the 'advice' was simply the opposite to what he done.

e.g If he opened direct and got rejected, all of the replies were 'never be direct! you need to hide your intentions and be indirect!! read mysterymethod!!'

If he opened indirect and got rejected, the replies were all 'dude! read mode1! this indirect stuff doesn't work! she knows why you are talking to her!!'' (and this didn't just go for the opener, but everything else, too)

I think that's why there's almost no FR's on seddit anymore and there used to be a tonne

 

[Gamisch]

I love this. I am all for positive energy like those hippies from the 70's.

You are what you eat. If all you consume is negativity then it will become a part of your soul. Unfortunately nobody will tell you that very short after the redpill there's the blackpill breathing down the sphere's neck. Before you know it..you are blackpilled.

Terms like "goldpill" never really took off because the matrix always been kinda leading the philosophy behind the redpill. And even here we've witnessed how devastating and all-consuming the blackpillers can be.

I said this before not too long ago; personally I would benefit from all the shyte that BUILDS a man. Yes, getting and keeping women will always kinda be a challenge, but it's a waste of time and energy when you know that you definitely not gonna be able to "control" her because you're not winning on life ( and that's first hand experience talking now..).

 

[Lotus Effect]

All,

We are here in this corner of the Internet because of common reason, we know about the red pill, truths about dating, truths about what being a man means for society, truths about competition, etc. When times are tough, people who wanna be better look for answers everywhere, even online, and as you know right now times are tough for men and women. There is a saying the pendulum always swings both directions, eventually things will become better and worse again, cause history always repeats itself.

However, we have in our hands the keys to save future generations, we have this forum. Imagine X years from now when things go back to being bad how they are today and lost boys looking for answers online and find this forum.

You might not think is a big deal, but many men have ended their lives because his oneitis left him, and he doesn't have a compass to guide him to do better because he thinks that woman is his life. With the loss of fathers, many boys are lost today with respect to life and love, we should be the pioneers for the future generations in how to regain control of their lives.

For good or bad, we all in here together with our differences.

I propose to every man in here, to work on himself, shed any limiting belief he has, get a better physique, make more money, approach women, eliminate the fear of doing X or Y, leave the defeatist mentality and be an example for future generations, and most importantly, document your field reports in the forum.

To fix the world you first have to fix yourself, we have a fvcking responsibility to fix ourselves in order to fix the world, don't waste this opportunity of doing something good for humanity, even behind a screen you don't know which life of a man you're saving by just leading by example how to do better in life.

Seriously, lets make this forum what it was once before, that future generations will want to trade places with us.

You are actually right.

Apart from everything you just said, I do recomend @characternote 's advice, and do some reading.
Specially the DJBible.

I say it over and over again, because there are so many golden nuggets in the posts from the past.
Most of them are life changing stuff.

But other than that, I agree with you man.

 

[Clockwerk50]

the 'knowledge' is already out there though? Just read mysterymethod and bookofpook etc. That is the stuff that used to be talked about on forums like this. It's already in PDF files etc. Doesn't need to be here?

PUA Forums in the old days (including this one) would have lots of threads about the best negs to use, when best to disqualify a girl, 'why didn't this opener and stack work on this girl?', 'did I do this pushpull wrong?', 'give me your best DHV stories for after the opener', 'what do you transition with after the opener??' etc etc. I remember it well on ASF forum, 'lovesystems' Attraction forums etc

But over time it's all been reduced down to 'hit the gym! make more money. Approach more girls!' by the community (and rightly so, tbh. I mean, based on my time here i'm sure nobody is into/believes all of that old school PUA stuff anyway? if they did, the advice here for when someone is struggling wouldn't be to hit the gym)

So I'm not sure what people expect to see in this new utopia? I certainly don't expect a reversion back to 'why didn't this opener work?' threads.

And since the conensus seems to be fairy simple ('hit the gym' etc) then won't it just be a complete ghost town of a forum?

I mean, I agree we don't need endless complaining about women and the dating scene etc, but I feel like the reason this gets so much air time is because there's not that much left to say? Everyone gets that they should hit the gym etc. Only so many threads you can make about that

I personally believe that many PUA techniques have become outdated. Modern dating dynamics have shifted towards authenticity and building genuine connections rather than relying on impersonal techniques. These “cookie-cutter” strategies often fail to address the uniqueness of individual interactions.

PUA theory eventually gave way to the “Red Pill” ideology, which initially sought to empower men by understanding broader social dynamics. However, the Red Pill narrative has grown increasingly one-dimensional and often fosters a sense of cynicism. It overgeneralizes relationships and fails to adapt to evolving societal norms, making it less relevant to today’s younger generation.

The reality is that this forum feels two generations behind the curve. It needs to evolve and address current dating advice and strategies. While foundational texts like The Mystery Method, Book of Pook, and The Rational Male provide a starting point, they shouldn’t be treated as the end-all, especially when many people (like @GoodMan32 ) aren’t even familiar with them.

To revitalize the forum, I suggest diversifying its topics and promoting it on platforms like X like @Plinco said. Engaging with newer audiences and showcasing fresh, practical advice could bring a dynamic energy back to discussions. For instance, the forum could explore topics like:

Seduction Posts:

• “Girls saying ‘why’ when you ask for their number.”

• “Why meeting women in real life makes you unstoppable.”

• “The role of timing in seduction: A factor no one talks about.”

• “How to tell a girl she’s pretty without coming off as generic.”

• “Embrace the fumbles: Turning awkward moments into charm.”

Relationship Advice:


• “My boyfriend (32M) expects wifely duties from me (33F) but struggles to meet his own expectations.”

• “My (20F) best friend’s (21M) girlfriend mocked my trauma. How do I navigate this?”

• “My (28F) partner (28M) insists chores are only for weekends—how do we find middle ground?”

• “I (M27) broke up with my girlfriend (F23) after finding an inappropriate text from her male friend.”

Lifestyle Tips:

• “How to tie essential camping knots for outdoor trips.”

• “Cardio tips for people who hate cardio.”

• “Building a survival shelter: Basics you should know.”