Let's Be Real Here Pt.5 - These Red Pill Principles are OUTDATED

[DreamAgain]

Really, the breaking point is having children. Many women do not want to be mothers anymore. Once this is eliminated, so is the hard reality of the biological wall, because many women will still want to date women well into their 40s assuming they keep themselves in good shape.

Those that do, wouldn't have waited until their 30s to start looking for "Mr.Right" who will actually commit to marriage and be a father to her children. That is pure delusion. They should have, from an early age, have yearned to cultivate a home, a family, be supportive and loving to her husband and children. Just think about how small the number of modern women is who want that.

Most modern women do not want to sacrifice their trips, their shows, their content consumption, for the tribulations of motherhood. Also, they view it beneath themselves to be at home changing diapers and taking care of the baby. I have literally had this conversation with younger girls in my social circle. They were adamant that one day when they actually do get married, they will have the husband be the stay at home dad taking care of the kids while she continues to work and progress in her career.

Depopulation is coming, and many men are going to be left behind as a consequence. But this schism in society between the traditional and the modern makes a believer in one side to be completely incompatible for the other. The rift is too wide.

The only thing you can do is go find the tribe you belong to and do the best you can there. Any seeds you attempt to plant in the wholly infertile soil can never grow into anything. It is barren and will not change, only get worse, unless there is a complete shutdown of the internet and social media.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I mean sure a woman in their 40s can get guys...but for what?

Most top tier guys she thinks she "deserves" are simply going to pump and dump her and at best she will have a FWB relationship with them, if they even give her the time of day.

There is a huge difference between what women can get for a FWB relationship and what they can get for what most of them want, which is a exclusive long term relationship, but most think they should be able to get the same quality for both which is where their disconnect is.

 

[DreamAgain]

I mean sure a woman in their 40s can get guys...but for what?

Most top tier guys she thinks she "deserves" are simply going to pump and dump her and at best she will have a FWB relationship with them, if they even give her the time of day.

There is a huge difference between what women can get for a FWB relationship and what they can get for what most of them want, which is a exclusive long term relationship, but most think they should be able to get the same quality for both which is where their disconnect is.

I am starting to question how much many want an exclusive long term relationship.

Think about how much you are willing to sacrifice when you really want something. How much effort you are ready to put in. Do you see these women putting in this amount of effort for something that, to me only in theory, they really want?

Most just want to scroll their socials, travel, get adulation, get their dopamine hits, watch their shows, and rinse and repeat.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I am starting to question how much many want an exclusive long term relationship.

Think about how much you are willing to sacrifice when you really want something. How much effort you are ready to put in. Do you see these women putting in this amount of effort for something that, to me only in theory, they really want?

Most just want to scroll their socials, travel, get adulation, get their dopamine hits, watch their shows, and rinse and repeat.

With the guy they "want"? Absolutely.

With the backup to the backup to the backup that they end up getting? Not so much.

Nobody wants to put that much effort into something they are settling for but don't really want.

 

[SW15]

I mean sure a woman in their 40s can get guys...but for what?

With the guy they "want"? Absolutely.

With the backup to the backup to the backup that they end up getting? Not so much.

Nobody wants to put that much effort into something they are settling for but don't really want.

A typical woman in her 40s would be able to find a committed relationship. It doesn't matter whether she's overweight, a single mom, etc.

The issue is that most women don't want some backup, beta orbiter type guy. Or, as one woman puts it, she doesn't want "dusty azz Hinge men". She's only 30, but she shows how entitled a typical White woman in the United States is. She's fairly representative of White Millennial women with bachelor's degrees or higher living in bigger cities. She wants a man with Travis Kelce energy, including Kelce's 6'0"+ height. Another penis carousel rider.

 

[Smooth_texter]

It depends for what the woman is needed for, and the condition of the man.

For sex? No wall for the average man, wall for the top man
For babies? Wall for average and top man
For commitment? Depends if the man has a kid or not. If he has a kid, no wall. If he doesn’t, there is a wall.

Generally, any man would sleep with any decent-looking woman in her 30s or 40s. But to commit to them legally? That’s another ballgame.

Notice how everyone on SS says “I would bang a 42-year-old, but I wouldn’t marry her.”



"Can’t handle" is too strong of words. I would say “Unless the man is genetically blessed, tall, etc, he won’t get the time of day from women in 20s."




Agree



Change that to "high-value women" would agree.



Agree

Hi BadBoy89.


I strongly disagree on the “Unless the man is genetically blessed, tall, etc, he won’t get the time of day from women in 20s." point.


Literally the easiest years for picking up women for me and my closest friends were our late teens/early twenties. During that period, women are around men nearly all the time at High School/University/hobbies/first job, etc. There is no need for dates, since you can build rapport during activities or gatherings related to that.


You also don't need and are not expected to have accomplishments or assets, just "potential" or being on the right path.


Back then I literally had zero game (not that game is important if a woman isn't physically attracted), and I had plenty of prospects. Now I am "red pilled", got my own place, career and improved a lot, but I am also bald, which greatly decreased the pool and age of women that I can seduce. I came to that conclusion on just observing when approaching/interacting with women of different ages.


P.S. I am not projecting self limiting beliefs, I am simply stating the change in objective reality for me. I won't stop improving in every aspect.

 

[DreamAgain]

Hi BadBoy89.


I strongly disagree on the “Unless the man is genetically blessed, tall, etc, he won’t get the time of day from women in 20s." point.


Literally the easiest years for picking up women for me and my closest friends were our late teens/early twenties. During that period, women are around men nearly all the time at High School/University/hobbies/first job, etc. There is no need for dates, since you can build rapport during activities or gatherings related to that.


You also don't need and are not expected to have accomplishments or assets, just "potential" or being at the right path.


Back then I literally had zero game (not that game is important if a woman isn't physically attracted), and I had plenty of prospects. Now I am "red pilled", got my own place, career and improved a lot, but I am also bald, which greatly decreased the pool and age of women that I can seduce. I came to that conclusion on just observing when approaching/interacting with women of different ages.


P.S. I am not projecting self limiting beliefs, I am simply stating the change in objective reality for me. I won't stop improving in every aspect.

Hair transplants have come a long way in 2024, I would look into it if I were you. Yes, it will be expensive if you do it at a good European clinic and not in turkey, but it could be a game changer.

 

[Smooth_texter]

I mean sure a woman in their 40s can get guys...but for what?

Most top tier guys she thinks she "deserves" are simply going to pump and dump her and at best she will have a FWB relationship with them, if they even give her the time of day.

There is a huge difference between what women can get for a FWB relationship and what they can get for what most of them want, which is a exclusive long term relationship, but most think they should be able to get the same quality for both which is where their disconnect is.

Hi BackInTheGame78.

By default, when talking about high value men, we are referencing a very small percentage of men.

For an average or even above average woman in her 30s or 40s, being able to hook up with such a man, every now and then, is enough to keep her striving/dreaming to be in a relationship with him. At the same time, she can string along hundreds or thousands of men (depending how active she is on social media/OLD).

And that exactly is the problem with modern dating.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Hi BackInTheGame78.

By default, when talking about high value men, we are referencing a very small percentage of men.

For an average or even above average woman in her 30s or 40s, being able to hook up with such a man, every now and then, is enough to keep her striving/dreaming to be in a relationship with him. At the same time, she can string along hundreds or thousands of men (depending how active she is on social media/OLD).

And that exactly is the problem with modern dating.

That only lasts for a while. At least with women who aren't severely damaged goods.

 

[Smooth_texter]

That only lasts for a while. At least with women who aren't severely damaged goods.

A quality woman (who is very rare these days) knows how to recognize potential pumps & dumps before they happen (just by assessing the man). They also even tend to avoid certain types of men and places because of those tendencies.


I think that women that are in and out of relationships, ONS, FWB and things like that actually chose to be in them. That's because they are usually addicted to drama/dopamine rushes (either consciously or subconsciously).


I have had f-buddies from early 30s to early 40s (whom I did not take seriously for relationships), and I don't think they would ever settle. They might try a relationship here and there, but would most likely become easily bored.


Experiencing the thrill from the early stages of a relationship up to its ending has become a perpetual cycle for them.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

A quality woman (who is very rare these days) knows how to recognize potential pumps & dumps before they happen (just by assessing the man). They also even tend to avoid certain types of men and places because of those tendencies.


I think that women that are in and out of relationships, ONS, FWB and things like that actually chose to be in them. That's because they are usually addicted to drama/dopamine rushes (either consciously or subconsciously).


I have had f-buddies from early 30s to early 40s (whom I did not take seriously for relationships), and I don't think they would ever settle. They might try a relationship here and there, but would most likely become easily bored.


Experiencing the thrill from the early stages of a relationship up to its ending has become a perpetual cycle for them.

You just described a woman who is damaged goods.

In and of itself, that behavioral pattern points to damaged goods.

Which points back to my initial statement.

 

[Manure Spherian]

@Smooth_texter it’s a great thread. I might add some common copes to it later.

I have a family, but when I was single, I never got into complicated, spergy mumbo jumbo or game (court jester performance). I went for oath of least resistance: IOI’s, “walk through open doors,” chose from those who chose me (last one goes for all men).

 

[Manure Spherian]

Experiencing the thrill from the early stages of a relationship up to its ending has become a perpetual cycle for them.

Read “Rotating Polyandry”.

https://youtu.be/T0ROw7LGj0Y?si=E38Xr6IEq3xr8Zya

 

[Smooth_texter]

I have remembered another myth, the actual truth for which that I realized even as a kid.


7. "Stay on your purpose/grind, and the women will come" - This is a very widespread talking point across nearly all red pill authors and youtubers. I believe that some even argued that women would start noticing your efforts and come to you easily. Their main point is that if a man simply grinds, aka being a plough horse, women would be interested. Not only that, but they are advising men 18-30 to stay away from dating and "improve" instead ("since men in their 20s cannot attract women in their 20s")


Nothing could be further from the truth. Modern women love dopamine, so they are addicted to fun and strong emotions. Grinding your ass off at work (as in working for somebody) doesn't do anything for a woman in her 20s-40s, unless you have obvious and measurable achievements and assets. And makes you as interesting as a cardboard box. Since women have their own careers and money, just making average and a bit above average does not really impress them (there is a large thread on this forum about that topic).


No woman will come forward to seduce you, because you've been slaving away at your desk for 12 hours today.
So attracting women is a totally separate thing/world and needs to be worked simultaneously with the career/entrepreneurship and self improvement.

 

[self_is_an_illusion]

years

I put into a table and added feminist critique:

Red Pill Concept	How It's Outdated	Feminist Critique
"The Wall" at 25-27	Reduces women's value to age and overlooks individual growth and attractiveness at all ages.	Sexist and ageist; opposes reducing women to their physical appearance or age.
Men in their 20s can't handle relationships	Reinforces stereotypes that men should focus only on career early on and not develop emotionally or relationally.	Promotes gender equality in emotional and relationship readiness; opposes gender-based stereotypes.
Attractiveness tied to age for men	Suggests men's value increases with age regardless of personal growth or qualities.	Advocates for recognizing inherent worth and dignity of all individuals, regardless of age.
'High Value Man' based on wealth/status	Materialistic view of human worth based on external achievements rather than internal qualities.	Encourages a view of value based on integrity, kindness, and genuine partnerships.
Women strive for LTRs with top suitors	Portrays women as seeking security or status in relationships rather than genuine connection.	Emphasizes women's autonomy and diverse aspirations, and the importance of consent and mutual respect.
'GAME' creates physical attraction	Potentially manipulative and focuses on surface-level interactions rather than deep, meaningful connections.	Critiques the concept of "game" as manipulative, advocating for equal relationships based on respect and genuine connection.