Let's Be Real Here Pt.5 - These Red Pill Principles are OUTDATED

[zekko]

However, there are some destructive ideas like "men in their 20s cannot deal with a woman in her 20s", which might lead to men in that age group purposely missing out on experiences with similarly aged women.

I definitely wouldn't say guys in their 20s can't deal with a woman in her 20s. But I would say a lot of guys in their 20s can't deal with them. Depends on their maturity level, their red pill knowledge, their personal success level, self esteem, etc. As has been said, a lot of guys on the forum are late bloomers, including myself. I had some success in my 20s, but I had my disasters too. You really have to learn by experience, and it usually takes longer for a male to build himself up than a female, because more is required of a man.

 

[Smooth_texter]

I think an important point to raise about the wall is that it does not necessarily reference her age, but rather her behaviour, the age is in association to what time we begin to see a change in behaviour, if we're going strictly based off of age, it would be more associated with when we begin to see drop offs in an ability to produce healthy offspring. I guess it could be a convergence between behaviour and quality of offspring as well.

In terms of being on your purpose, the fact of the matter is that socialization matters most in children; when we are adults, we experience direct consequences of our childhood, most children not socialized by the age of 4 are going to struggle with socialization for the entirety of their lives, to suggest a lack of socialization as an adult will impact your ability to socialize is ridiculous unless your experiencing intense and prolonged isolation, even then you can make a recovery within reason.

While I get your point, for me "Hitting the wall" is to lose the ability to be attractive to the opposite sex, and (in a woman's case) to be bailed out of your bad decisions.

So for example, if I know that I can do whatever I want, and still be pursued by women in my 40s/50s, I will have zero incentive to settle for nothing but the best woman. This is what most women experience today, and thus we have 2/3 of the men under 30 being single (by not being the best picks).

 

[Hamurabimbi]

That's just what I said. It's not about being older (age difference) but maturity (mental dominance).


Young women like me because I'm an interesting man who has an interesting life. Plus I'm a natural storyteller, which is why I became an author and poet. I doubt if women are attracted to me because I'm over fifty.

I’m middle aged. And the young women I’ve been with, I’m sure don’t see my age as a positive. But rather as irrelevant.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

I’m middle aged. And the young women I’ve been with, I’m sure don’t see my age as a positive. But rather as irrelevant.

Imagine being a 50 year old man, describing yourself as interesting and "Mentally dominant", further attributing these traits to why women like you.

Women like older men because they have been humbled by life; things are not complex with older people, but rather simple and structured to their tastes. These young women don't want to read your pretentious poems or books, but rather want to see if they have any sort of following or status. Women enjoy the company of an older man because they are free to be themselves, because any of their behaviour is very unlikely to make it back to their social circle, putting them at ease socially as well as financially.

I have AA on ignore for a reason, because this guys observations are totally disconnected from any sort of reality we here inhabit, this guy is in his own world.

 

[Smooth_texter]

I kind of agree with #2 or at least wanna comment on it from a diff angle. In my experience being single for a long time in my 20s has been very very difficult. It was good in the beginning to get experience but after a while, it got old. Im still single. I did have a GF for a few years. The problem is that many of us struggle with isolation so to wait until 35 can be very difficult. The loneliness of being at the peak of ur sexual prime as a man and going to bed alone almost every night is pretty disheartening.

Yep.

Spinning plates (which is also pushed a lot by RP) is fun, but loses its charm and becomes unfulfilling long term. Being in one relationship your whole life is also unfulfilling, but in a different way.

When you are spinning plates, there is no depth to your connections, and usually has to be with women that have lower SMV than yours (in order to not catch feelings).

A man should experience both.

 

[Dr.Suave]

Being in one relationship your whole life is also unfulfilling, but in a different way.

You may be on to something, bro. So what´s the endgame? Alternate between LTRs and spinning plates?

 

[Smooth_texter]

You may be on to something, bro. So what´s the endgame? Alternate between LTRs and spinning plates?

The recipe for some long lasting LTRs/marriages here in Eastern Europe is to have a lifelong wife, and a slot for a mistress (plate), who has a shelf life of 1-20 years.

So you get both a wife, and a family, and get to chase, seduce, establish, break up with a new girlfriend. Not many people could pull that off though. Usually there is an SMV or status mismatch in the man's favour.


But this is purely me thinking out loud, and I do not recommend this if you are already happy.

 

[CornbreadFed]

The recipe for some long lasting LTRs/marriages here in Eastern Europe is to have a lifelong wife, and a slot for a mistress (plate), who has a shelf life of 1-20 years.

So you get both a wife, and a family, and get to chase, seduce, establish, break up with a new girlfriend. Not many people could pull that off though. Usually there is an SMV or status mismatch in the man's favour.


But this is purely me thinking out loud, and I do not recommend this if you are already happy.

This is a fantasy here in the USA

 

[Smooth_texter]

This is a fantasy here in the USA

In no way this should be attempted in a western country, you would get destroyed.

Point is, there are some marriages with a "don't ask, don't tell" kind of arrangements. Usually open only on the man's side, but unfortunately there are more and more women doing this.

For this to work, the man should have a significantly higher SMV, status or both. Otherwise, the woman will divorce him, like everywhere else.

Again, I am not recommending this in an any shape or form. Every man has his unique situation and problems, and should deal accordingly.

 

[Solomon]

Imagine being a 50 year old man, describing yourself as interesting and "Mentally dominant", further attributing these traits to why women like you.

Women like older men because they have been humbled by life; things are not complex with older people, but rather simple and structured to their tastes. These young women don't want to read your pretentious poems or books, but rather want to see if they have any sort of following or status. Women enjoy the company of an older man because they are free to be themselves, because any of their behaviour is very unlikely to make it back to their social circle, putting them at ease socially as well as financially.

I have AA on ignore for a reason, because this guys observations are totally disconnected from any sort of reality we here inhabit, this guy is in his own world.

"She likes me for me"

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

Yep.

Spinning plates (which is also pushed a lot by RP) is fun, but loses its charm and becomes unfulfilling long term. Being in one relationship your whole life is also unfulfilling, but in a different way.

When you are spinning plates, there is no depth to your connections, and usually has to be with women that have lower SMV than yours (in order to not catch feelings).

A man should experience both.

I still can't think of a better solution than moving to a diff country where you have good SMV off the bat and just experiencing a study flow of willing feminine women who don't try to push anything on you. The key is to do this without manipulation. I hate how some guys go to diff countries and manipulate greencard-hungry locals, not talking about that. Just be authentic with girls abroad and admit to being a fun guy who wants to enjoy himself and see who lines up for the party.

Its so annoying cuz in the US, u cant enjoy an LTR and u cant enjoy plates. Both come at too high a cost to make it worthwhile.

LTR is too high risk and takes too long to find wortwhile. Plates are low quality and too demanding.

 

[Solomon]

I definitely wouldn't say guys in their 20s can't deal with a woman in her 20s. But I would say a lot of guys in their 20s can't deal with them. Depends on their maturity level, their red pill knowledge, their personal success level, self esteem, etc. As has been said, a lot of guys on the forum are late bloomers, including myself. I had some success in my 20s, but I had my disasters too. You really have to learn by experience, and it usually takes longer for a male to build himself up than a female, because more is required of a man.

This is the average 20-year-old who is not good with women, if you watch the video notice how many times he references Andrew Tate, not saying all 20-year-olds are like this but heck even my 20s I was this cringe as you get older and more experience you get more wisdom sadly this cat has drank the Andrew Tate kool-aide but is it working for him?

 

[Smooth_texter]

I still can't think of a better solution than moving to a diff country where you have good SMV off the bat and just experiencing a study flow of willing feminine women who don't try to push anything on you. The key is to do this without manipulation. I hate how some guys go to diff countries and manipulate greencard-hungry locals, not talking about that. Just be authentic with girls abroad and admit to being a fun guy who wants to enjoy himself and see who lines up for the party.

Its so annoying cuz in the US, u cant enjoy an LTR and u cant enjoy plates. Both come at too high a cost to make it worthwhile.

LTR is too high risk and takes too long to find wortwhile. Plates are low quality and too demanding.

While I get your point, this "higher SMV elsewhere, right off the bat" is a myth nowadays.

I have discussed this in other threads - I am from Eastern Europe, and traditional values even here have been almost shattered. Each new generation of women has higher and higher body counts, all women under 60 are using social media multiple times per day and women give childbirth more and more after 30.

So you either have to be her best pick, or spend a lot of years to find a relatively traditional woman.

 

[Smooth_texter]

This is the average 20-year-old who is not good with women, if you watch the video notice how many times he references Andrew Tate, not saying all 20-year-olds are like this but heck even my 20s I was this cringe as you get older and more experience you get more wisdom sadly this cat has drank the Andrew Tate kool-aide but is it working for him?

This video actually shows that GAME™ matters little if you have a lot of status (or are really good looking). Although this guy was socially awkward at first , he was given huge status right off the bat by being the prize in a game, in which 100 women were competing for him.

You can see that when the women that were left became 10 or less, each woman became more and more invested in him (due to going trough different experiences and successfully passing obstacles for him). And thus making him more and more desirable in their eyes.

 

[Smooth_texter]

I am bumping this thread, since points 1 and 3 of my original post (red pill myths) are getting more and more contested.

 

[SW15]

I am bumping this thread, since points 1 and 3 of my original post (red pill myths) are getting more and more contested.

There's a current thread on Point 1 here. I've never believed in the idea of a hard wall.

Post Wall

For all of you that think older women past their prime are sitting at home lonely with their cats and no men in their life, think again. An old acquaintance of mine in her late 40's has a 27yo guy come over for drinks and sex on a regular basis. She is maybe an HB6. You can put the guy...

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[BadBoy89]

The biggest things that I disagree with (based on personal experience and what I have seen in real life) are as follows:

1. "The Wall" starts at 25-27 - By "Wall" it I am referring to a lack of attraction and desirability from the opposite sex. From what I have seen, women can have enough suitors well into their 40s (thanks to SM and OLD). So the notion that a 25-27 woman (up to 50) isn't desired, and would settle for a loser, is no longer valid.

It depends for what the woman is needed for, and the condition of the man.

For sex? No wall for the average man, wall for the top man
For babies? Wall for average and top man
For commitment? Depends if the man has a kid or not. If he has a kid, no wall. If he doesn’t, there is a wall.

Generally, any man would sleep with any decent-looking woman in her 30s or 40s. But to commit to them legally? That’s another ballgame.

Notice how everyone on SS says “I would bang a 42-year-old, but I wouldn’t marry her.”

2. A man in his 20s can't handle a woman in her 20s.

"Can’t handle" is too strong of words. I would say “Unless the man is genetically blessed, tall, etc, he won’t get the time of day from women in 20s."

3. The older you are, the more attractive you are to women -

Women are not attracted to the age difference in itself, they are attracted to the skills and lifestyle that you have acquired.

Agree

4. Concrete definition of a 'High Value Man" -

Change that to "high-value women" would agree.

5. Women strive to be in LTRs - True. But only with either her top or nearly best suitors.

Agree

 

[DreamAgain]

Really, the breaking point is having children. Many women do not want to be mothers anymore. Once this is eliminated, so is the hard reality of the biological wall, because many women will still want to date women well into their 40s assuming they keep themselves in good shape.

Those that do, wouldn't have waited until their 30s to start looking for "Mr.Right" who will actually commit to marriage and be a father to her children. That is pure delusion. They should have, from an early age, have yearned to cultivate a home, a family, be supportive and loving to her husband and children. Just think about how small the number of modern women is who want that.

Most modern women do not want to sacrifice their trips, their shows, their content consumption, for the tribulations of motherhood. Also, they view it beneath themselves to be at home changing diapers and taking care of the baby. I have literally had this conversation with younger girls in my social circle. They were adamant that one day when they actually do get married, they will have the husband be the stay at home dad taking care of the kids while she continues to work and progress in her career.

Depopulation is coming, and many men are going to be left behind as a consequence. But this schism in society between the traditional and the modern makes a believer in one side to be completely incompatible for the other. The rift is too wide.

The only thing you can do is go find the tribe you belong to and do the best you can there. Any seeds you attempt to plant in the wholly infertile soil can never grow into anything. It is barren and will not change, only get worse, unless there is a complete shutdown of the internet and social media.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I mean sure a woman in their 40s can get guys...but for what?

Most top tier guys she thinks she "deserves" are simply going to pump and dump her and at best she will have a FWB relationship with them, if they even give her the time of day.

There is a huge difference between what women can get for a FWB relationship and what they can get for what most of them want, which is a exclusive long term relationship, but most think they should be able to get the same quality for both which is where their disconnect is.

 

[DreamAgain]

I mean sure a woman in their 40s can get guys...but for what?

Most top tier guys she thinks she "deserves" are simply going to pump and dump her and at best she will have a FWB relationship with them, if they even give her the time of day.

There is a huge difference between what women can get for a FWB relationship and what they can get for what most of them want, which is a exclusive long term relationship, but most think they should be able to get the same quality for both which is where their disconnect is.

I am starting to question how much many want an exclusive long term relationship.

Think about how much you are willing to sacrifice when you really want something. How much effort you are ready to put in. Do you see these women putting in this amount of effort for something that, to me only in theory, they really want?

Most just want to scroll their socials, travel, get adulation, get their dopamine hits, watch their shows, and rinse and repeat.