Let's Be Real Here Pt.3 - You should have started EARLIER

[Smooth_texter]

Every relationship is transactional, don't get fooled by it, women trade s3x by something else, depending on their stage in life, the wrong approach is only leading with money.


Left picture is my at 27, right one is me at 33, you're telling me I'm not in my prime physique wise? I'm making 3x the money, game has gotten waaaayyy better. You're telling me girls will prefer the guy on the left? Get the fvck out of here with that defeatist mindset, if you wanna cry how everything is lost and there is no hope, go to black pills forums.

Congrats on your progress. Every man should always improve.

My point from my original post was that at 30+, it would be tougher to get a very desired 20-something woman, especially if you have not built a foundation of skills earlier (the earlier, the better). And of course looks wise, it's an uphill battle. Also the older you are, the more that is expected from you to have.

Ideally, by starting early, you would have a better chance of being an LTR with a desirable 20-something woman (while both being in you prime, not at middle age).

 

[Smooth_texter]

14 and 40 are a huge difference my friend. Also, you don't need to convince me, none of this applies to me. I just don't see the need of putting that pressure on a 14 year old. As long as a regular normal man is aware that his options get worse the older that he gets, he'll place some focus to have a woman with minimal to no baggage soon enough. A lot of men realize these things when they're in their upper 20s or low 30s. Thats an unideal situation to be in. However, it's nothing to be obsessed about as a kid. Somewhere in the middle, close to adulthood is the best time to start increasing focus on this.

My point is that the few real life examples of building all aspects of one's life in your twenties, that I have seen (friends since pre-puberty), started in their mid teens. Not that that is ideal for everyone. By the time they were 25, they have already experienced enough "life" and "partying" ,while also being seasoned enough to enter and maintain LTRs/marriages with women in their twenties that ticked all their boxes.

Also, I believe that "mid life crisis" for a man comes from either of the two (or a combination):

- not having enough assets
- not have had enough women

By starting early, a man has a better chance of both going trough and getting bored from hedonism, and switching to something more serious afterwards. Thus alleviating at least partially the mid life crisis.

 

[anonymous12345]

If the guy takes good care of himself, he will be in a good shape as the 20 something guy, but with more money (assuming he worked hard) and better maturity, also what baggage are you referring to men, kids? I'm assuming he's not married or have kids.


TRT was one of the best decision I made for myself, my only regret is not getting my levels checked earlier. This is the true fountain of youth, who ever says otherwise, either is a hater and/or doesn't know jack $hit about it.

What the hell is TRT and GIGS?

 

[Gamisch]

I do not understand why this forum (and RP influencers) automatically assume that the younger guy would always have less money, no job, weaker physique, frame and so on?

Career wise, the 28 y.o. guy might have started working at 18, not wasted time and shown consistency in a single industry or even company, thus having an expert or a junior management role. The 35 y.o. might have changed a lot of jobs, and still searching for the role that best fits him.

Physique wise, the younger guy is statistically at an advantage, since test starts to decline usually after 35.


In regards to women, as I have said earlier, the younger guy might have started at 15-16, been extroverted and social enough, with lots of flings, while the older guy might be an introvert that has had inconsistent results.


And so on. Age alone does not show everything. Regardless of age, skills and competency come only trough experience from facing problems/obstacles.

You are describing the outlier.

Ofcourse ,in an ideal scenario every man should be at that point at 28. But as you say, he'd have to start working at 18, and keep the job and perform flawless for 10 years in a row. Meanwhile as I said there are now apparently 7 million men on welfare who could and perhaps should be in the trenches. THAT is the reality in 2023.

First thing comes to mind is the fact that most people nowadays go to college or study until they're 24,25. The more difficult studies can take even longer. Hence the news messages from lately about how people stay at home longer, (yes there are more factors like housing crisis).

That is an important factor. The redpill,the forum and the manosphere are mostly found by men looking for answers. You can be 30 and feel like you've wasted your life already. While you can actually rebuild yourself within a couple of years AND enter the game and play happily ever after. The redpill ect will at least let you know that a 22 y.o woman is still a very realistic possibility.

 

[NoFear]

I agree with this “ lets be real”
You should focus on:

Well being-relationships
/ \

Money/career Fitness/Health

All at the same time, the sooner the better balancing all three.

 

[savi0r]

Looking back, yeah, i should have started earlier. I had my mistakes, i admit that. But damn how life throws you around sometimes. I was insecure, i thought i had time, i procastinated some things. When it hit me, i was like 30, 31 maybe. I started putting my life in order from that point. But i can't bang my head against the wall now because i didn't do this or did that. I was life, it was as it was and i am looking for a better future. I have many good years left and hopefully i learnt from my mistakes and will do better in time. We all have our regrets. We have to live with them, eventually. Like ragnar lothbrock said : "don't waste your time looking back; you're not going that way". And regarding women, yes. It may be true that the good ones are locked early. But each of us is different, each life is different. Who knows what the future has in store for us? My job is to do all i can to live a good life, whatever that means for each of us. The rest is up to God.

 

[Smooth_texter]

It amazes me the level of autism in this forum.


By your own quote " Congrats on your progress. Every man should always improve" IT IS IMPOSSIBLE for that same guy at 28 be better than when he's 35, you know guy? Because "Every man should always improve" The only reason he can be worse is baldness or low testosterone, and even those things have cure.

You're just crying here because you are 33 and don't have an LTR, and blaming it on age. Have you thought that maybe you're fat, no money, social awkward, no interesting life, have no status, have no game, and instead of getting better you have the defeatist mindset "oh well I'm 33 I'm done, its not my fault its my age" Pathetic

So you're saying a 35 years old guy with everything in his life in check, finances, physique, status, game, will lose to lock down a 20 something quality girl against a 28 years old guy with very little going for himself? Why are you fooling yourself with that defeatist mentality?

I was commenting on the example that you gave earlier, of two guys: 35 y.o. and a 28y.o. competing for a 20s woman. My point was that age alone does not tell us everything, and the older guy is not always necessarily better (again, in your own example, you were comparing two different guys). Plus, the older you are, the more requirements are put upfront from women. An early 20s guy most times would only need to show that he is on the right path.

Regarding your guesses - none of those are correct (I have worked out on/off and have had abs since 16, have my own career achievements, above average in salary and height for my country and so on). I have had hair loss, which impacted my SMV. Which tends me to believe that looks is a lot more important than the red pill actually admits.

Game alone cannot create physical attraction, regardless of what you read here or watch on youtube.

 

[Smooth_texter]

I agree with this “ lets be real”
You should focus on:

Well being-relationships
/ \

Money/career Fitness/Health

All at the same time, the sooner the better balancing all three.

Hi.

Yes, the sooner these are dealt with, the less problems down the line when a guy is older.

 

[Smooth_texter]

Looking back, yeah, i should have started earlier. I had my mistakes, i admit that. But damn how life throws you around sometimes. I was insecure, i thought i had time, i procastinated some things. When it hit me, i was like 30, 31 maybe. I started putting my life in order from that point. But i can't bang my head against the wall now because i didn't do this or did that. I was life, it was as it was and i am looking for a better future. I have many good years left and hopefully i learnt from my mistakes and will do better in time. We all have our regrets. We have to live with them, eventually. Like ragnar lothbrock said : "don't waste your time looking back; you're not going that way". And regarding women, yes. It may be true that the good ones are locked early. But each of us is different, each life is different. Who knows what the future has in store for us? My job is to do all i can to live a good life, whatever that means for each of us. The rest is up to God.

Hi mate.

That is true and it is the usual way that things play out in life.

Regardless of where you are currently, you should improve for yourself. My thread is for the 18-23 y.o. guys to better understand the actual reality, instead of delaying some aspects of their life, in order to have them in their mid/late 30s.

 

[Smooth_texter]

Of course different people of different ages will be better or worse than others, mix and match, nobody is denying that.

If you have all of that, it means you're extremely awkward socially and can't even hold a simple conversation to game the girl, you expect every girl to drop her panties as soon as she sees you?

In the red pill they say muscles, money & game, not one at the expense of the others, idk where you heard that physique don't matter as much. I will say today is what matters the most, cause women can make their own money, they want a "hot" guy who gets it and at least don't leave under a bridge, cause "hot" guys are scarce when obesity is through the roof like 60%, and what is scarce creates value.

No, I understand game, know how to spark and withdraw interest and so on.

I rarely can seduce the specific women I want, and if I do so, I cannot keep them. But I have limited myself to not mess with women from the places I've worked, that are the ones usually sending me IOUs.

Physique matters less than height, hair and facial aesthetics. I have lost women to guys that had just height over me.


Women crave good looks + height. They start considering the other things that you or the red pill mentions if they want an LTR with the guy.

 

[Smooth_texter]

So you're 6'5", she replaced you for a guys who is 6'6" or 6'7", 2 inches taller and you're saying it was because you're not tall enough, funniest $hit I've read in here.

Can you point out where I have said that I am 6'5''?

But it does not matter, the thread is not about me.

 

[parabellum]

Then its best to assume any woman that one enters a "monogamous" relationship with will fvck some other guy. So then would it not be prudent to just lie to women and fvck on the side?

I second this, provide that you didn’t get the good girl in your early 20s. Not a popular opinion with the cool aid drinkers thought.

 

[pipeman84]

One of the biggest celebrities in the pick up communities (and a day game titan) - Paul Janka said in a recent podcast that his biggest regret was having a daughter at 39-40, because his father was already too old and saw her only once before he passed away.

"I make a much better father and husband now than I could have earlier … I sometimes think all men should wait till they're 50 to settle down," Stallone told Women's Day in 2007.

 

[Smooth_texter]

"I make a much better father and husband now than I could have earlier … I sometimes think all men should wait till they're 50 to settle down," Stallone told Women's Day in 2007.

Quoting famous people aside, how realistic is having a 18-20 year old wife in your fifties? Especially with your requirement for her to be a virgin.

How many friends from real life do you know that have done this?


P.S. Stallone has 100s of millions of dollars, and is an action movie icon. I do not think that his advice is applicable for an average or a bit above average Joe.

 

[SW15]

how realistic is having a 18-20 year old wife in your fifties?

It's barely realistic for a 30 year old. Even at 35, you're going to need to have $$ to pull that off.

 

[pipeman84]

P.S. Stallone has 100s of millions of dollars, and is an action movie icon. I do not think that his advice is applicable for an average or a bit above average Joe.

Stallone is basically just repeating Aristotle's message from 2300yrs ago

ideal age for a man to get married is when he's about 37 with a woman who's about 18.

and probably said 50 years because he was that age back in 2007.

Now let me ask you this: how realistic is a that a 25yrs old guy on average income is going to have a happy family life with enough time to dedicate to his wife, sufficient wisdom and patience to raise children? If they are high school sweethearts, that's fine, that's their challenge, to discover life together. But this modern, nonsensical arrangement of a guy in his mid-later 20s to marry some woman the same age just because many people around him do it and it's normalized by society is a recipe for strife and unhappiness.

Quoting famous people aside, how realistic is having a 18-20 year old wife in your fifties? Especially with your requirement for her to be a virgin.

Firstly, I didn't say that a +50yrs old guy with a 18-20yrs old wife is the ideal. Secondly, the issue is not how realistic or not it is, but how many guys really want it, and then what they're doing about it. From my observations, most guys don't even envision the thought of marrying a younger, virgin woman. Look at the father of manoshphere, Rollo, married a woman 3-4yrs older who was fvcking at least 2 other guys in the early stages of their dating. Look at all the millionaires marrying hoes and single moms. Guys have been thoroughly brainwashed and are sheep doing what they see the majority around them do.

 

[Smooth_texter]

Now let me ask you this: how realistic is a that a 25yrs old guy on average income is going to have a happy family life with enough time to dedicate to his wife, sufficient wisdom and patience to raise children? If they are high school sweethearts, that's fine, that's their challenge, to discover life together. But this modern, nonsensical arrangement of a guy in his mid-later 20s to marry some woman the same age just because many people around him do it and it's normalized by society is a recipe for strife and unhappiness.


Firstly, I didn't say that a +50yrs old guy with a 18-20yrs old wife is the ideal. Secondly, the issue is not how realistic or not it is, but how many guys really want it, and then what they're doing about it. From my observations, most guys don't even envision the thought of marrying a younger, virgin woman. Look at the father of manoshphere, Rollo, married a woman 3-4yrs older who was fvcking at least 2 other guys in the early stages of their dating. Look at all the millionaires marrying hoes and single moms. Guys have been thoroughly brainwashed and are sheep doing what they see the majority around them do.

- Regarding your first part of the argument - "happiness" lasts usually 1-3 years. Regardless of you met in your teens or fifties. Wisdom and patience are acquired by dealing with difficult every day life situations and problems, and nobody can teach you how to be a good father or husband, especially youtube or forums. So, if you have never been a father before, you would make the same mistakes whether you are 50 or 25 years old. Also, most kids were either loosely planned or were not planned at all. A 20 something man has a better chance statistically of creating a family with a 20 something woman (same generation, interests, both in their prime, shared memories from college for example), compared to a 50 year old. I have never said to be strapped to some woman in your 20s for the sake of it.

My point was that a man needs to already be a man at 25 (I wasn't a man enough then, and this impacted me later on), in order to be able to deal and lock a beautiful and submissive 20 something woman. The red pill and the forum are literally preaching the opposite - "you are not ready in your twenties, you should focus on your purpose and start screening at 35+ y.o." Thus resulting in 28+ y.o. men who are still acting as teenagers and learning basic things. Everyone should self improve at any age, but by starting earlier, you would be better at a younger age.

- Regarding your second part of the argument - Most guys have not envisioned having a virgin wife, since it is extremely rare in the modern world. It's possible that a guy might not find such a woman, let alone for her to commit to him with a 15+ year age gap. (I agree that there is an agenda.) Rollo and the others that you have cited just show that looks determine your dating pool and options, and the women in those relationships higher perceived SMV and the upper hand .