Let's Be Real Here Pt.3 - You should have started EARLIER

[CBear]

While I understand your message, I think that at 14 a male is not a kid anymore. I remember when I was that age that my hormones were overflowing (but had anxieties and other things that prevented me to act upon it). Here is an article regarding the training of spartan boys in Ancient Sparta. I believe at least some of it was true. TLDR - they started at 7 years old, and purposedly were thrown in harsh conditions.


All of the actual men that I know and I think have managed to balance career, women and ultimately - building a family have started very early.

The whole idea is to already have the skills and experience to lock down and "tame" a twenty something woman, while you are also in your twenties. Plus, if you have started at 15, at 30 you would already have had fifteen years of hedonism - relationships, ONS, plate spinning.

Yeah and average lifespan of ancient Spartans was mid 30s to early 40s...you'd need to provide a better and more modern example to convince someone.

 

[Gamisch]

Plenty of guys who are not that successful in life ( monetary wise - average maybe-) that have a normal sex life ( maybe 1-2 girls per year ) with decent girls ( 4-6 range )

I am at the seaside at the moment and see this with couples or with guys hitting at girls in the club

The financial aspect is more important if you aim for higher tier women

This is like till you are in your 30s

In your 30s and onwards the financial aspect becomes more and more important, especially if you do not want to date women in their late 30s or 40s ( or who knows, even older)

Plus money also helps you to to retain youthfulness better

Money is mandatory to create whatever illusion you think is necessary.

Because eventually that's the game; women are constantly waking up and walking around with all kinds of fantasies and GIGS syndromes. A smart man makes use of this.

Money can provide you with a carrot to dangle in front of them. A smart man will hack the system and find ways to make money, make women and even men submit to his vision, and move seemingly effortlessly through the maze of life.

Then its best to assume any woman that one enters a "monogamous" relationship with will fvck some other guy. So then would it not be prudent to just lie to women and fvck on the side?

Yes.

At some point a womam will stray. Its natural. As I said before , be smart and know this FACT. Men are looking for stability, women look for adventures. We now know the new crop of 50 year old women are STILL looking for adventures.

Be that adventure. Ooze and breathe adventure. Make women choose YOU. When you get picked out more, you'll be fecking more. Sometimes you must feck a woman on the side while the main one doesn't know in order to keep the pipeline running.

 

[Gamisch]

So you're saying a 35 years old guy with everything in his life in check, finances, physique, status, game, will lose to lock down a 20 something quality girl against a 28 years old guy with very little going for himself? Why are you fooling yourself with that defeatist mentality?

I'll have to say it depends on the woman's age. If she's lets say 25, the 28 year old MIGHT have an edge due to looks, attitude, less baggage ect.

But perhaps 28 and 35 isn't that much of a gap. Make it 25 vs 40 for example.

By the way, I'm intrigued by your message about TRT. Any advice for a compete newbie to this? Where do I start? Feeling GREAT by the way best physical shape I've ever had.

 

[Gamisch]

If the guy takes good care of himself, he will be in a good shape as the 20 something guy, but with more money (assuming he worked hard) and better maturity, also what baggage are you referring to men, kids? I'm assuming he's not married or have kids.


TRT was one of the best decision I made for myself, my only regret is not getting my levels checked earlier. This is the true fountain of youth, who ever says otherwise, either is a hater and/or doesn't know jack $hit about it.

35 is a tricky age for men.

I am referring to mostly emotional damage from being bluepilled and the results a bluepilled man yields. But again, its indeed a small gap so a 35 yo man with his shyte together might and probably will outshine a 28 year old man.

What I see if that mid 30 lots of men already gave up on the game. They feel too old to go out and shyte.

I am having an appointment with my doctor this week and i will ask about the possibilities.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Yeah and average lifespan of ancient Spartans was mid 30s to early 40s...you'd need to provide a better and more modern example to convince someone.

Spartans are literally the most overrated civilization in history.

 

[CornbreadFed]

35 is a tricky age for men.

I am referring to mostly emotional damage from being bluepilled and the results a bluepilled man yields. But again, its indeed a small gap so a 35 yo man with his shyte together might and probably will outshine a 28 year old man.

What I see if that mid 30 lots of men already gave up on the game. They feel too old to go out and shyte.

I am having an appointment with my doctor this week and i will ask about the possibilities.

I think there’s some underestimation of competition and capabilities. A 28 year old can have potential with receipts or be a skilled liar like the Tinder Swindler and still be competitive. This more likely than the 35 year old gigachad scenario.

 

[Gamisch]

Bro I just don't believe that most 35 guys are fat, with no money.

I hope your doc puts you on trt.

You'll be surprised.

I recently saw a documentary about how (in the US, but US = the entire western world) men aren't working anymore.

Men don't feel the need to build themselves up anymore. One could argue its because they don't get women, imo that's a chicken vs egg type of dilemma.

I know at least of four 35 y.o men who're living at home, or mommy does their laundry ect.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Let's pretend Western Europe doesn't exist...

lol or Australia

 

[DreamAgain]

Hi mate.

You made a very important point, which I think very few people on this forum understand or pretend to not understand - "quality women are locked early" (usually early/mid twenties).

So if a guy only deals with his purpose/career/finances, at 30 something it would be hard to lock a quality 20s chick, due to the huge demand for young women as a whole, and especially quality women as a subset.

Yup. You get people saying I've never done better with women, Im in my late 30s, 40s, blah blah blah. That's the prime of your life.

These guys are selling a dream to these broads, if they are even saying the truth, without proof to be honest I am very, very skeptical. They are leading with $, not paying directly perhaps, but selling a lifestyle afforded to them by $.

The probability of this relationship being transactional, closest to the literal interpretation of paying to play, is very high.

I wonder if they were ever the guys in high school who got notes passed to them that "xyz likes you" and you look around and see that girl smiling, giggling at you while you read the note.

Or if they got complemented on their looks, had girls approach them when they were broke students, etc.

 

[DreamAgain]

Every relationship is transactional, don't get fooled by it, women trade s3x by something else, depending on their stage in life, the wrong approach is only leading with money.


Left picture is my at 27, right one is me at 33, you're telling me I'm not in my prime physique wise? I'm making 3x the money, game has gotten waaaayyy better. You're telling me girls will prefer the guy on the left? Get the fvck out of here with that defeatist mindset, if you wanna cry how everything is lost and there is no hope, go to black pills forums.

No idea why you weren't already in shape at 27, that's your own personal problem dude.

And nah, it's definitely not transactional, but as the saying goes, there is a time and place for everything. I guess you just exposed yourself there.

 

[Smooth_texter]

Yeah and average lifespan of ancient Spartans was mid 30s to early 40s...you'd need to provide a better and more modern example to convince someone.

Correct, but since we now have 2x the life span (80 y.o. for a male, 73 in the US), does that mean that we should start dealing with women at 40?

Imagine you had (or you actually might have) a twin brother, who matches you in everything (looks, height, career, social skills). You are both 25.

Now imagine you both liked the same girl from your social circle. She has the blueprint for an LTR chick/being a wife. However, your brother was a womanizer even before college, while you were shy and have had only one woman at 19-20, some flings here and there, and lots of dry spells.

Who would realistically have a better chance of seducing her (if we also assume that both of you are her type)?

 

[Smooth_texter]

Money is mandatory to create whatever illusion you think is necessary.

Because eventually that's the game; women are constantly waking up and walking around with all kinds of fantasies and GIGS syndromes. A smart man makes use of this.

Money can provide you with a carrot to dangle in front of them. A smart man will hack the system and find ways to make money, make women and even men submit to his vision, and move seemingly effortlessly through the maze of life.

Yes.

At some point a womam will stray. Its natural. As I said before , be smart and know this FACT. Men are looking for stability, women look for adventures. We now know the new crop of 50 year old women are STILL looking for adventures.

Be that adventure. Ooze and breathe adventure. Make women choose YOU. When you get picked out more, you'll be fecking more. Sometimes you must feck a woman on the side while the main one doesn't know in order to keep the pipeline running.

And even more important than having the money, the core of the relationship should be based on mutual physical attraction. Otherwise, you would be a beta provider.

Once she is attracted to you, you need to maintain that attraction via regular dopamine spikes ("feelz"), so that she could overtime start associating those with you, as you have said as well.

 

[Smooth_texter]

So you're saying a 35 years old guy with everything in his life in check, finances, physique, status, game, will lose to lock down a 20 something quality girl against a 28 years old guy with very little going for himself? Why are you fooling yourself with that defeatist mentality?

I do not understand why this forum (and RP influencers) automatically assume that the younger guy would always have less money, no job, weaker physique, frame and so on?

Career wise, the 28 y.o. guy might have started working at 18, not wasted time and shown consistency in a single industry or even company, thus having an expert or a junior management role. The 35 y.o. might have changed a lot of jobs, and still searching for the role that best fits him.

Physique wise, the younger guy is statistically at an advantage, since test starts to decline usually after 35.


In regards to women, as I have said earlier, the younger guy might have started at 15-16, been extroverted and social enough, with lots of flings, while the older guy might be an introvert that has had inconsistent results.


And so on. Age alone does not show everything. Regardless of age, skills and competency come only trough experience from facing problems/obstacles.

 

[CBear]

Correct, but since we now have 2x the life span (80 y.o. for a male, 73 in the US), does that mean that we should start dealing with women at 40?

Imagine you had (or you actually might have) a twin brother, who matches you in everything (looks, height, career, social skills). You are both 25.

Now imagine you both liked the same girl from your social circle. She has the blueprint for an LTR chick/being a wife. However, your brother was a womanizer even before college, while you were shy and have had only one woman at 19-20, some flings here and there, and lots of dry spells.

Who would realistically have a better chance of seducing her (if we also assume that both of you are her type)?

14 and 40 are a huge difference my friend. Also, you don't need to convince me, none of this applies to me. I just don't see the need of putting that pressure on a 14 year old. As long as a regular normal man is aware that his options get worse the older that he gets, he'll place some focus to have a woman with minimal to no baggage soon enough. A lot of men realize these things when they're in their upper 20s or low 30s. Thats an unideal situation to be in. However, it's nothing to be obsessed about as a kid. Somewhere in the middle, close to adulthood is the best time to start increasing focus on this.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I do not understand why this forum (and RP influencers) automatically assume that the younger guy would always have less money, no job, weaker physique, frame and so on?

It's because the RP caters to college kids (used to but losing influence currently) or the uneducated working class (Fresh and Fit's main audience). Notice how they talk about how to protect their women or shvt on going to college and promote avenues such as Bitcoin and the trades.

Career wise, the 28 y.o. guy might have started working at 18, not wasted time and shown consistency in a single industry or even company, thus having an expert or a junior management role. The 35 y.o. might have changed a lot of jobs, and still searching for the role that best fits him.

A healthy 28-year-old in med school, law school, engineering, or clearly able to show a woman that he is progressing will always beat a 35-year-old in a stagnant position when competing for a young girl. Usually, these guys go for the bottom of the barrel younger women that a 28-year-old in medical school would not want.

Physique wise, the younger guy is statistically at an advantage, since test starts to decline usually after 35.

agreed

In regards to women, as I have said earlier, the younger guy might have started at 15-16, been extroverted and social enough, with lots of flings, while the older guy might be an introvert that has had inconsistent results.

The older introvert guys that glowed up in their late twenties or thirties always seem to have a chip on their shoulder that makes them unhealthily narcissistic. I am not talking about narcissistic in an attractive way, but revenge of the nerds way.

 

[Smooth_texter]

Every relationship is transactional, don't get fooled by it, women trade s3x by something else, depending on their stage in life, the wrong approach is only leading with money.


Left picture is my at 27, right one is me at 33, you're telling me I'm not in my prime physique wise? I'm making 3x the money, game has gotten waaaayyy better. You're telling me girls will prefer the guy on the left? Get the fvck out of here with that defeatist mindset, if you wanna cry how everything is lost and there is no hope, go to black pills forums.

Congrats on your progress. Every man should always improve.

My point from my original post was that at 30+, it would be tougher to get a very desired 20-something woman, especially if you have not built a foundation of skills earlier (the earlier, the better). And of course looks wise, it's an uphill battle. Also the older you are, the more that is expected from you to have.

Ideally, by starting early, you would have a better chance of being an LTR with a desirable 20-something woman (while both being in you prime, not at middle age).

 

[Smooth_texter]

14 and 40 are a huge difference my friend. Also, you don't need to convince me, none of this applies to me. I just don't see the need of putting that pressure on a 14 year old. As long as a regular normal man is aware that his options get worse the older that he gets, he'll place some focus to have a woman with minimal to no baggage soon enough. A lot of men realize these things when they're in their upper 20s or low 30s. Thats an unideal situation to be in. However, it's nothing to be obsessed about as a kid. Somewhere in the middle, close to adulthood is the best time to start increasing focus on this.

My point is that the few real life examples of building all aspects of one's life in your twenties, that I have seen (friends since pre-puberty), started in their mid teens. Not that that is ideal for everyone. By the time they were 25, they have already experienced enough "life" and "partying" ,while also being seasoned enough to enter and maintain LTRs/marriages with women in their twenties that ticked all their boxes.

Also, I believe that "mid life crisis" for a man comes from either of the two (or a combination):

- not having enough assets
- not have had enough women

By starting early, a man has a better chance of both going trough and getting bored from hedonism, and switching to something more serious afterwards. Thus alleviating at least partially the mid life crisis.

 

[anonymous12345]

If the guy takes good care of himself, he will be in a good shape as the 20 something guy, but with more money (assuming he worked hard) and better maturity, also what baggage are you referring to men, kids? I'm assuming he's not married or have kids.


TRT was one of the best decision I made for myself, my only regret is not getting my levels checked earlier. This is the true fountain of youth, who ever says otherwise, either is a hater and/or doesn't know jack $hit about it.

What the hell is TRT and GIGS?

 

[Gamisch]

I do not understand why this forum (and RP influencers) automatically assume that the younger guy would always have less money, no job, weaker physique, frame and so on?

Career wise, the 28 y.o. guy might have started working at 18, not wasted time and shown consistency in a single industry or even company, thus having an expert or a junior management role. The 35 y.o. might have changed a lot of jobs, and still searching for the role that best fits him.

Physique wise, the younger guy is statistically at an advantage, since test starts to decline usually after 35.


In regards to women, as I have said earlier, the younger guy might have started at 15-16, been extroverted and social enough, with lots of flings, while the older guy might be an introvert that has had inconsistent results.


And so on. Age alone does not show everything. Regardless of age, skills and competency come only trough experience from facing problems/obstacles.

You are describing the outlier.

Ofcourse ,in an ideal scenario every man should be at that point at 28. But as you say, he'd have to start working at 18, and keep the job and perform flawless for 10 years in a row. Meanwhile as I said there are now apparently 7 million men on welfare who could and perhaps should be in the trenches. THAT is the reality in 2023.

First thing comes to mind is the fact that most people nowadays go to college or study until they're 24,25. The more difficult studies can take even longer. Hence the news messages from lately about how people stay at home longer, (yes there are more factors like housing crisis).

That is an important factor. The redpill,the forum and the manosphere are mostly found by men looking for answers. You can be 30 and feel like you've wasted your life already. While you can actually rebuild yourself within a couple of years AND enter the game and play happily ever after. The redpill ect will at least let you know that a 22 y.o woman is still a very realistic possibility.

 

[NoFear]

I agree with this “ lets be real”
You should focus on:

Well being-relationships
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Money/career Fitness/Health

All at the same time, the sooner the better balancing all three.