Let's Be Real Here Pt.3 - You should have started EARLIER

[Smooth_texter]

One of the things I never understood in the red pill was that you should focus on building your career and personality first, in order to have success with women in your mid/late thirties. I would argue that that is a very wrong approach, and can cause you negative effects varying from frustration to not being able to get a quality woman for an LTR, ever.

Let's be real here - the average male life expectancy around the world is 80 years and change (google it). 73 y.o. for the US. So there should be no excuse for not having experience with women in your whole first half of your life.

You should be prepared way before that. One of the issues that we can see that the red pill has actually created is 30 something men, who are either just getting started with dating or being red pilled.


One of my most successful classmates lost his virginity at 14, had an LTR or two afterwards, and was constantly replacing women (perhaps even running rotations), until he met a woman that satisfied all his requirements at 25, and had a kid at 27-28 with her. He also was progressing at work (currently mid management), and built his career simultaneously. I do not see a real reason why these cannot be done together. If you do not have enough time in your schedule - just cut off social media, youtube, tv, pc games or whatever sedation you have.

Contrary to him, I purposedly almost did not deal with women in my 20s (for various reasons), and have just started in my early 30s. I can say that this was one of the biggest mistakes in my life. Putting twice or thrice the effort for women or financial markets to make up for lost time won't net you double or triple results.

There's a saying - "There is a time and place for everything". A man should know when to start, when to be player, when to start selecting, when to select. Looking back, I should have been more extroverted and started dealing with women in my mid teens, and look for an LTR in my mid 20s. That makes plenty of time for building experience, and most importantly - choosing from women that have a better chance of being less damaged and easier to pair bond.

One of the biggest celebrities in the pick up communities (and a day game titan) - Paul Janka said in a recent podcast that his biggest regret was having a daughter at 39-40, because his father was already too old and saw her only once before he passed away.

 

[zekko]

One of the things I never understood in the red pill was that you should focus on building your career and personality first, in order to have success with women in your mid/late thirties. I would argue that that is a very wrong approach, and can cause you negative effects varying from frustration to not being able to get a quality woman for an LTR, ever.

I agree with this. There's no reason why you can't be working on your social skills while you're self improving everything else, and I would include interactions with women under social skills. If you wait until your 30s to date, you're probably going to end up coming off as awkward and weird. Just remember your priorities.

 

[Dr.Suave]

At 25 I did not want to settle down yet. I was going through a bad case of Oneitis at the time (I was f0cking her BUT she had a boyfriend). It was only until early 30s when I even started thinking about the possibility of "cashing out" of the game.

 

[pipeman84]

I never understood in the red pill was that you should focus on building your career and personality first, in order to have success with women in your mid/late thirties.

There are several biological, evolutionary and logical reasons for that. Men are attracted by youth, purity, fertility in women, women are attracted by confidence, competence, self control, ability to provide resources and protection in men. It's obvious a man needs time to develop all of the above and thus a couple of 25yrs olds or worse, a couple where the woman is older than the guy is thoroughly mismatched, ie at 25 the woman is at top youth and fertility while the man has just started to figure out the world. Aristotle said it 2300 years ago ... ideal age for a man to get married is when he's about 37 with a woman who's about 18.

 

[SW15]

One of the things I never understood in the red pill was that you should focus on building your career and personality first, in order to have success with women in your mid/late thirties. I would argue that that is a very wrong approach, and can cause you negative effects varying from frustration to not being able to get a quality woman for an LTR, ever.

One of my most successful classmates lost his virginity at 14, had an LTR or two afterwards, and was constantly replacing women (perhaps even running rotations), until he met a woman that satisfied all his requirements at 25, and had a kid at 27-28 with her. He also was progressing at work (currently mid management), and built his career simultaneously. I do not see a real reason why these cannot be done together. If you do not have enough time in your schedule - just cut off social media, youtube, tv, pc games or whatever sedation you have.

There is no way that any man should postpone dating/sex in his 20s to focus on having greater success in his 30s. It doesn't usually work out that way. Most men in their 30s/40s end up dating women close to their own ages, so men who pass on making dating a focal point of their lives from ages 16-29 miss out on having sex and romantic relationships with some amazing young women. Passing on options with 21 year olds to focus on more sex with 30-35 year old women is not a good thing.

The best thing about dating with purpose between ages 18-25 is that the dating pool is at its widest somewhere in this age range.

I would argue that men are best positioned for sexual marketplace success around 25-30. Around 25-30, they are old enough to have some money/status accomplishments and young enough to still have their looks. As a 25-30 year old, you're still a viable option for a 20-25 year old. Even with the best formed plans, a man might find himself single again at 35-50 with a narrower dating pool of damaged women.

there should be no excuse for not having experience with women in your whole first half of your life.

You should be prepared way before that. One of the issues that we can see that the red pill has actually created is 30 something men, who are either just getting started with dating or being red pilled.

A lot of males in their teens and 20s are blue pilled, Average Frustrated Chump beta males.

In this time, a lot of young males are taking some nasty rejections in the mating marketplace. In high school, many men experience the hot cheerleader type girls either ignoring them or flat out rejecting them. Some of these men go to college and hope that they will end up getting laid a lot in college. Some of these men might even select college based on their "party environments" and opportunities for sex with attractive co-eds. A very good portion of men end up having a mildly disappointing to extremely disappointing college sex experience. College is hyped up to be some sort of poontang paradise but it rarely ends up that way. The idea from the previous sentence is discussed in depth in the thread below.

Observations about college sex life from someone that went to a party school.

I thought I'd share this as someone who went to a party school and was in a fraternity there as well. Not wanting to give too much about myself but I went to UGA and graduated a few years ago. While Athens has its hot girls, I do feel like the quality got worse every year due to the admission...

www.sosuave.net

A lot of men end up living a blue pilled, beta male lifestyle for so long until they have an awakening at some point in life. That might happen at 25, 30, or even never. It's better for a man to take the red pill at 30 after many failed approaches, failed first dates, and failed relationships than to never take the red pill at all.

There's a saying - "There is a time and place for everything". A man should know when to start, when to be player, when to start selecting, when to select. Looking back, I should have been more extroverted and started dealing with women in my mid teens, and look for an LTR in my mid 20s. That makes plenty of time for building experience, and most importantly - choosing from women that have a better chance of being less damaged and easier to pair bond.

Your point has value. There is some value in getting a woman and building around her for many years, if not for a lifetime. A 20 year old woman is a better prospect for an LTR due to being less damaged and having fewer sexual partners than a 30 or 35 year old. Not all 20 year olds are like this. There are 20 year olds now with 10+ notch counts.

Most men don't end up in a lifelong relationship with either their high school or college girlfriend. For men who go to college and have a college girlfriend, that relationship typically ends within 5 years of graduation. Guys who only go to high school and skip college for the working world or a trade certification + working world tend to see their high school relationships typically end by the time they are 21-23.

Most relationships end up failing at some point. There are plenty of men who have had the idea that they are wise for sticking with one woman they meet before age 25, thinking they'll be set for life with a relationship. A lot of these men end up single again at some point between ages 35-50. Few relationships in this current era have the staying power of relationships from our parents' or grandparents' generations. Their mating environment was different from ours.

One of the biggest celebrities in the pick up communities (and a day game titan) - Paul Janka said in a recent podcast that his biggest regret was having a daughter at 39-40, because his father was already too old and saw her only once before he passed.

I made a post yesterday about why I don't think older fatherhood is a good idea.

Having kids at 40 yrs old

Anyone know anybody that has. Studies say probability of birth defects go up ..other studies say its minimal

www.sosuave.net

Aristotle said it 2300 years ago ... ideal age for a man to get married is when he's about 37 with a woman who's about 18.

The ideal is far from reality. Most 37 year old men don't have access for a variety of reasons to 18-22 year old women. Meanwhile, most 18-22 year old women aren't making dating a 37 year old man a priority.

The 37 year old man is typically ending up with women who are 33-36 and past their primes/damaged, whereas the 18 year old woman is typically most interested in men 25 and under.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Let's be real here - the average male life expectancy around the world is 80 years and change (google it). 73 y.o. for the US. So there should be no excuse for not having experience with women in your whole first half of your life.

This is a dangerous number to loyally abide by. After 60, you are at greater risk of health problems and other risks which start the decline. 30 is a safer bet for middle aged for most men. In addition, we are basing 80 off of the boomers, the most privileged generation to ever live on this planet. Based on trends, I highly doubt we will get the same life expectancy as they did.

You should be prepared way before that. One of the issues that we can see that the red pill has actually created is 30 something men, who are either just getting started with dating or being red pilled.

Exactly, especially if they plan to date women around their age. Single Women in their 30s are the most experienced jezebels and can destroy a vulnerable guy. Another end game scenario is the guy a bank account simp for younger women. Furthermore, you will miss out on experiences with women that you can only have at that age. For example, sneaking into your Gf's parents' house and banging her in secret, car sex because that's the only viable option you have, those cheap date nights at Sonic, Applebee's, Chilis, beach dates, having the sex drive of a young man, and etc.

One of my most successful classmates lost his virginity at 14, had an LTR or two afterwards, and was constantly replacing women (perhaps even running rotations), until he met a woman that satisfied all his requirements at 25, and had a kid at 27-28 with her. He also was progressing at work (currently mid management), and built his career simultaneously. I do not see a real reason why these cannot be done together. If you do not have enough time in your schedule - just cut off social media, youtube, tv, pc games or whatever sedation you have.

The common denominator for men unsuccesful with women is that they never put in the work and expect a woman to fall from the sky.

Contrary to him, I purposedly almost did not deal with women in my 20s (for various reasons), and have just started in my early 30s. I can say that this was one of the biggest mistakes in my life. Putting twice or thrice the effort for women or financial markets to make up for lost time won't net you double or triple results.

It is not all roses TBH. I had plenty of women experience in my twenties and it jaded me to a point where I was stagnant till like age 28.

One of the biggest celebrities in the pick up communities (and a day game titan) - Paul Janka said in a recent podcast that his biggest regret was having a daughter at 39-40, because his father was already too old and saw her only once before he passed away.

Having kids at a younger age requires a lot more sacrifices and luck now. My grandparents aren't offering me shvt, so I am not going to postpone pleasures in my life to please them.

 

[Dr.Suave]

There are several biological, evolutionary and logical reasons for that. Men are attracted by youth, purity, fertility in women, women are attracted by confidence, competence, self control, ability to provide resources and protection in men. It's obvious a man needs time to develop all of the above and thus a couple of 25yrs olds or worse, a couple where the woman is older than the guy is thoroughly mismatched, ie at 25 the woman is at top youth and fertility while the man has just started to figure out the world. Aristotle said it 2300 years ago ... ideal age for a man to get married is when he's about 37 with a woman who's about 18.

D@mn! Aristotle was RedPill af!

 

[SW15]

the boomers, the most privileged generation to ever live on this planet.

The common denominator for men unsuccesful with women is that they never put in the work and expect a woman to fall from the sky.

This wasn't unrealistic for a lot of American Baby Boomers. So many Boomers would have been incel/borderline incel had they been born during the Millennial birth years.

those cheap date nights at Sonic, Applebee's, Chilis, beach dates, having the sex drive of a young man, and etc.

Good luck getting away with a date at Sonic, Applebee's, Chili's once you are post-college age. That's a good point. The processed food is not healthy at all those places. Sonic can be considered a fun environment with the car hops if you order in-car and don't go through the drive thru, which is no different than a drive thru at McDonald's.

Beach dates can be a thing at any age.

Good point on the sex drive of a young man. At 40, my sex drive is better than most 40 year old men. However, it is not the same as my sex drive at 18, 21, 25, or even 30.

 

[MatureDJ]

It's OVER for LateStarterCels.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

One of the things I never understood in the red pill was that you should focus on building your career and personality first, in order to have success with women in your mid/late thirties. I would argue that that is a very wrong approach, and can cause you negative effects varying from frustration to not being able to get a quality woman for an LTR, ever.

Let's be real here - the average male life expectancy around the world is 80 years and change (google it). 73 y.o. for the US. So there should be no excuse for not having experience with women in your whole first half of your life.

You should be prepared way before that. One of the issues that we can see that the red pill has actually created is 30 something men, who are either just getting started with dating or being red pilled.

I agree. Women are part of life. They are not a separate compartment. Women happen in one’s life. . Has been that way since life began. things just happen. You live your life. When I was growing up. If anyone suggested eschewing women until a man was 30 so he could ‘concentrate on career, personality or self improvement’…. Well. The guy is ‘Lite in the Loafers’. I personally can’t conceive of such a mindset.

 

[BadBoy89]

The OP makes some decent points, but inherently he is saying if a man starts early or gets red pilled early he will get the young girl to pair bond, which isn’t true.

One side of the argument is starting early.

The other side of the argument is women in their 20s don’t want men who aren’t genetically blessed, inherently rich or in combination with genetics. ”naturals”. Women in their 20s want the top men, the Alpha Dogs. So even if a man is “red pilled” in his 20s, generally an attractive women in her 20s won’t want him if he doesn’t have Alpha Male qualities,

This site has said it 1000 times before, women want babies with the Alphas, relationships with the Betas.

 

[DonJuanjr]

This site has said it 1000 times before, women want babies with the Alphas, relationships with the Betas.

Then its best to assume any woman that one enters a "monogamous" relationship with will fvck some other guy. So then would it not be prudent to just lie to women and fvck on the side?

 

[SW15]

The OP makes some decent points, but inherently he is saying if a man starts early or gets red pilled early he will get the young girl to pair bond, which isn’t true.

One side of the argument is starting early.

In 2010, Roosh wrote an article entitled The Future of Game

The Future Of Game

He had some predictions about pair bonding in the future. See quote below....

Hot Girls Under 30 Will Be Impossible To Lock Down

Populations will continue to get fatter, decreasing the attractiveness of the species. The few remaining girls who aren’t obese will have a never-ending line of suitors at the door (not only betas but alphas as well). This puts her closer to living the Sex and the City dream. She will jump ship at the slightest trouble in a relationship, whereas before she might have been willing to work it out. To see this phenomenon in action today, look at any beautiful girl between ages 19-23. Locking her up for more than a couple months is nothing short of extraordinary. In the future that age range will expand into the upper 20s and maybe even lower 30s. All beautiful women will be the most advanced and ****ish of players, and all that game will be able to do is squeeze in a couple bangs until she moves on to the next one.

This prediction has turned out more true than false in the last 13 years.

The other side of the argument is women in their 20s don’t want men who aren’t genetically blessed, inherently rich or in combination with genetics. ”naturals”. Women in their 20s want the top men, the Alpha Dogs. So even if a man is “red pilled” in his 20s, generally an attractive women in her 20s won’t want him if he doesn’t have Alpha Male qualities,

The lesser attractive men who reject the blue pill are more likely to go black pill than red pill. The black pill ideology has grown a lot since the mid-2010s.

This site has said it 1000 times before, women want babies with the Alphas, relationships with the Betas.

Dualistic mating strategy. Rollo even discussed this in "The Rational Male", which was released in 2013.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Then its best to assume any woman that one enters a "monogamous" relationship with will fvck some other guy. So then would it not be prudent to just lie to women and fvck on the side?

A strong libido and bored by monogamy: the truth about women and sex

When a heterosexual couple marries, who’s likely to get bored of sex first? The answer might surprise you…

www.theguardian.com

 

[BadBoy89]

Then its best to assume any woman that one enters a "monogamous" relationship with will fvck some other guy. So then would it not be prudent to just lie to women and fvck on the side?

A woman will always be attracted to the Alpha Male, like men are always attracted to younger women. Just because they are attracted to them, doesn’t a woman will act upon it in a monogamous relationship. Same goes for a man.

Women always have 2 considerations for mating, as SW15 said, genetically blessed strong Alpha man for her child, and smart, resourceful Beta man for her relationship. Men only have one consideration: hot and young. Men don’t need the woman to be strong, resourceful, or Alpha because men have always been the gender that can take care of themselves. In fact, they resent these qualities in a woman.

Ladies: the only thing we want from you is your estrogen!

 

[Smooth_texter]

At 25 I did not want to settle down yet. I was going through a bad case of Oneitis at the time (I was f0cking her BUT she had a boyfriend). It was only until early 30s when I even started thinking about the possibility of "cashing out" of the game.

My point is that a man should start dealing with women as early as possible, in order to avoid the most common problems with them as an adult.

If a man has had his first intercourse at say 14, and was active and social, by the time he is 25 he would have been very seasoned. Thus very less likely to have oneitis.

The main problem with men now (as can be seen in most threads here) is that most men have lost their V-card at 18-19, had an LTR for a few years, then hit a dry spell. Thus having very little experience in mid/late 20s, and even just starting to date or have sex in their thirties.

 

[Smooth_texter]

The OP makes some decent points, but inherently he is saying if a man starts early or gets red pilled early he will get the young girl to pair bond, which isn’t true.

One side of the argument is starting early.

The other side of the argument is women in their 20s don’t want men who aren’t genetically blessed, inherently rich or in combination with genetics. ”naturals”. Women in their 20s want the top men, the Alpha Dogs. So even if a man is “red pilled” in his 20s, generally an attractive women in her 20s won’t want him if he doesn’t have Alpha Male qualities,

This site has said it 1000 times before, women want babies with the Alphas, relationships with the Betas.

My general message is to start dealing with women related problems as early as possible. Which would give you enough time to know your strengths and weaknesses, and also enough time to improve.

An added bonus would be the possibility to get into an LTR with a 20-someting female, who either was not brainwashed by the internet or hasn't had enough experience. I know that is rare but I would argue that a 25 y.o. man has a better chance of doing that, compared to a 35 y.o. man.

Whether you are an alpha or not would depend on your genetics, upbringing, how you develop your body and character. But you would definitely be a weaker Alpha if you do not know how to deal with women in your mid/late twenties.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

One of the things I never understood in the red pill was that you should focus on building your career and personality first, in order to have success with women in your mid/late thirties.

I've never heard anyone say this. No reason you can't focus on more than one thing at a time.

 

[BadBoy89]

My general message is to start dealing with women related problems as early as possible. Which would give you enough time to know your strengths and weaknesses, and also enough time to improve.

Whether you are an alpha or not would depend on your genetics, upbringing, how you develop your body and character. But you would definitely be a weaker Alpha if you do not know how to deal with women in your mid/late twenties.

Where would a man go to learn how to deal with women?

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

I started early (12), but with an adult woman, so no awkward fumbling. I didn't settle down until I was in my early thirties with a woman in her early twenties. Had kids with her when I was forty and got divorced ten years later. I got the kids and she pays me alimony.
The women I date now are 20-30 and they like that I'm over fifty. Your sex life can improve in your 'old age' and you can still have sex with young women.