Let's Be Real Here Pt.1 - "The wall" actually starts at 50

[I_have_BDE]

Here an experiment from pwf basically showing the lack of a wall currently.

TLDR of the video - the host took pictures of his mom, aged her even more via an app and created a general, non-sexual profile. Here, like in the video with the obese girl experiment, there were a lot of highly interested guys and some of them even simped hard.

Her profile generated 1,050 likes in 48 hrs.

Even around my crappy, old fart region (hot) women don't get that many likes from what they've showed me. Still a ton of messages and that but not like this, not nearly like this.

 

[SW15]

Even around my crappy, old fart region (hot) women don't get that many likes from what they've showed me. Still a ton of messages and that but not like this, not nearly like this.

In the last 10 years, there have been many women now in their 50s and 60s who have gone on dating websites and dating apps and received more attention as a 50s/60s year old woman than they did in their 18-25 year old days in the pre-internet era of the 1970s-early 1990s.

Here's something likely happening today in 2023 somewhere....

A 55 year old goes on a dating website (Match or OurTime) or one of the swipe apps. If she's 55 today, that means she was born in 1967 or 1968. That would have made her prime years in the late 1980s - mid 1990s at the latest. This was before the internet and the very early days of the internet.

By making a dating website or dating app profile, this 55 year old woman today is getting her inbox or swipe app queue blown up by men 55-70, and even some younger men. The typical 55 year old woman now has children, and at least one of her children is 18+. A smaller percentage of 55 year old women still have children under 18.

Male thirst is extreme, even among older men. A lot of older men who are beta males are very lonely.

 

[Gamisch]

Here an experiment from pwf basically shows the lack of a wall currently.

TLDR of the video - the host took pictures of his mom, aged her even more via an app and created a general, non-sexual profile. Here, like in the video with the obese girl experiment, there were a lot of highly interested guys and some of them even simped hard.

Her profile generated 1,050 likes in 48 hrs.

Close this thread. This is a truth bomb that most men can't handle. This is INSANE.

This was all I needed to realize it's pointless trying to "compete "with and for hb5 and up. Even hb3.

We men only have ourselves to blame..

In the last 10 years, there have been many women now in their 50s and 60s who have gone on dating websites and dating apps and received more attention as a 50s/60s year old woman than they did in their 18-25 year old days in the pre-internet era of the 1970s-early 1990s.

Facts.

And due to this fact we can't even compare the new crop of 50y.o women to every previous generation.

Hence why we now notice older women are also acting like teenagers. OLD has changed society in ways we can't even imagine. In 20,30 years we'll see the real result, this right now is the midst of the storm.

 

[SW15]

Here an experiment from pwf basically shows the lack of a wall currently.

TLDR of the video - the host took pictures of his mom, aged her even more via an app and created a general, non-sexual profile. Here, like in the video with the obese girl experiment, there were a lot of highly interested guys and some of them even simped hard.

Her profile generated 1,050 likes in 48 hrs.

Close this thread. This is a truth bomb that most men can't handle. This is INSANE.

This was all I needed to realize it's pointless trying to "compete "with and for hb5 and up. Even hb3.

We men only have ourselves to blame..

Facts.

And due to this fact we can't even compare the new crop of 50y.o women to every previous generation.

Hence why we now notice older women are also acting like teenagers. OLD has changed society in ways we can't even imagine. In 20,30 years we'll see the real result, this right now is the midst of the storm.

It was mentioned in the video that the 65 year old grandma was getting nearly 5x more likes than a Chad or GigaChad on the apps. The 65 year old grandma had likes in there from many top tier looking men too.

 

[johnrambo]

Close this thread. This is a truth bomb that most men can't handle. This is INSANE.

Alternative is to either go MGTOW or get rich and/or famous.

 

[Gamisch]

Alternative is to either go MGTOW or get rich and/or famous.

Always chase the bag and make sure your pockets are full of cash. Secondly stay as fit as possible.

Go mgtow while you still chase women, but ALWAYS remember she's "15 minutes of profile creating " away from apparently an infinite amount of attention. So, don't ever take them seriously untill proven otherwise. Have a ridiculous list of demands before she gets any title.

This might even give you that edge that keeps her around.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Hah don’t delude yourself, those same women are also getting hit on hard online by guys in their 20’s and 30’s. I’ve seen this firsthand, in-app, on the phones of upper tier women in the 40-50’s range.

In the case of the women who shared they found it offputting. But this is what happens when you grow up with MILF and cougar porn…

 

[Smooth_texter]

Always chase the bag and make sure your pockets are full of cash. Secondly stay as fit as possible.

Go mgtow while you still chase women, but ALWAYS remember she's "15 minutes of profile creating " away from apparently an infinite amount of attention. So, don't ever take them seriously untill proven otherwise. Have a ridiculous list of demands before she gets any title.

This might even give you that edge that keeps her around.

The whole point of me creating this thread is to warn other men to not get complacent if their woman is 25+ years old. And also to not be delusional (and frustrated afterwards) if they cannot pull or sustain relationships with said women.

The classic red pill stuff tells them that there is no need to be worried, since a 30 year old woman has hit the wall 2-5 years ago (and if she is with you, she has chosen you, right?)

A man should always be vigilant and aware of the situation, and act accordingly.

 

[eli77]

I would say 40 for surè.

 

[I_have_BDE]

In the last 10 years, there have been many women now in their 50s and 60s who have gone on dating websites and dating apps and received more attention as a 50s/60s year old woman than they did in their 18-25 year old days in the pre-internet era of the 1970s-early 1990s.

Here's something likely happening today in 2023 somewhere....

A 55 year old goes on a dating website (Match or OurTime) or one of the swipe apps. If she's 55 today, that means she was born in 1967 or 1968. That would have made her prime years in the late 1980s - mid 1990s at the latest. This was before the internet and the very early days of the internet.

By making a dating website or dating app profile, this 55 year old woman today is getting her inbox or swipe app queue blown up by men 55-70, and even some younger men. The typical 55 year old woman now has children, and at least one of her children is 18+. A smaller percentage of 55 year old women still have children under 18.

Male thirst is extreme, even among older men. A lot of older men who are beta males are very lonely.

That makes sense though. 55-70 so chances are they're divorced or a widow if their husband or wife died. Again, that's age appropriate. But I'm not in that age range so I don't care about those women. What probably sucks bad is being a late 30s to mid 40s male. Because age appropriate women in that range will date a 50 year old guy if he has a high paying white color job. So not only are you competing with guys in your age range but ones about 5 to 10 years older who are lawyers and executives.

 

[Smooth_texter]

Advice from the old lady:

Isn’t it interesting that many of you guys here equate the wall in your own age range. That’s because you have a hard time imagining a hot woman who is older than you or substantially older than you.

Look everyone has a “wall” but it varies tremendously from individual to individual of either gender. The posters in this thread who I most agree with on this topic are @RangerMIke and @Pierce.Manhammer and not surprisingly they are my peers, close to my same age.

What has been an interesting experience for me personally has been getting better looking over time relative to my peers. It’s a funny thing going to a 35th high school reunion and observing that you are in the top 2% of the women appearance wise, when all these other girls were “it” at 18.

But it has everything to do with lifestyle, genetics (which I am blessed to have) matter, but lifestyle matters more and more as time passes. Are you exercising, are you careful about what you consume & how much, have you avoided the sun (sun overexposure ages people faster than most anything), do you get enough sleep, do you manage stress.

My grandmother was married at 19, widowed at 43 and remarried at 61 to a man 8 years younger. Her second marriage was in 1976 and she outlived him too after 33 years together. She passed at 97 and was still striking for her age. She did not experience a “wall” insofar as her options were concerned. Both her husbands were very high value successful men, her second husband was the town’s available gentleman that all the single ladies were chasing. She used to laugh about that.

My husband thinks I look better now than I did in college. My hair is longer, my figure is leaner, and my skin remains remarkably supple. I look very similar to what I looked like in my late 20s and 30s and young people have mistaken me, with zero make up on, as their peers around 30. I look the same age or younger than my husband, who is almost 8 years younger than me (and he looks very good). We match physically.

So will there suddenly be a wall at 60? I dunno. I’m not going to stop living a healthy lifestyle and taking care of myself.

My response to the whole question of the wall is this:

Who cares? Whether a wall exists or not has zero bearing on your dating prospects. How you look after yourself and develop as a man (or not) is what determines your success. The rest is esoteric gibberish and a waste of your most valuable commodity, your time.

Hello BeExcellent.

Thanks for the interesting input, mixed in with a healthy dose of humblebrag.

It would be interesting if you could share the number and age ranges of the men that were interested in her 18 year period in-between marriages (if you happen to know that)? Would you also happen to know whether other women her age experienced a thinning or empty dating pool after a certain age?

This would shed some light whether there there was a wall in the 70s or not.

 

[BeExcellent]

Hello BeExcellent.

Thanks for the interesting input, mixed in with a healthy dose of humblebrag.

It would be interesting if you could share the number and age ranges of the men that were interested in her 18 year period in-between marriages (if you happen to know that)? Would you also happen to know whether other women her age experienced a thinning or empty dating pool after a certain age?

This would shed some light whether there there was a wall in the 70s or not.

Honestly I don’t know. My grandmother lived in a small town, worked diligently as a bookkeeper during that time, had a custom home built in the nicest neighborhood of town, which was down the street from her second husband as well as her aunt & uncle, so they were neighbors & in the same social circle before dating. When they married she sold her home & moved into his. He wanted to travel so she quit work & they traveled all over the world. She never insisted on redecorating his home & always respected his family (he was a widower) and he was very close with my dad.

She was very wise about men & knew how to be a great wife. There was great warmth between them, they enjoyed one another’s company immensely but I also think they each had originally married the love of their lives in youth. At death both were laid to rest alongside the original spouse.

It was a different time. I am 100% certain my grandmother never had sex outside of marriage, and she felt marriage and the sexual union was sacred.

 

[SW15]

My grandmother lived in a small town, worked diligently as a bookkeeper during that time, had a custom home built in the nicest neighborhood of town, which was down the street from her second husband as well as her aunt & uncle, so they were neighbors & in the same social circle before dating. When they married she sold her home & moved into his. He wanted to travel so she quit work & they traveled all over the world. She never insisted on redecorating his home & always respected his family (he was a widower) and he was very close with my dad.

She was very wise about men & knew how to be a great wife. There was great warmth between them, they enjoyed one another’s company immensely but I also think they each had originally married the love of their lives in youth. At death both were laid to rest alongside the original spouse.

It was a different time. I am 100% certain my grandmother never had sex outside of marriage, and she felt marriage and the sexual union was sacred.

I bolded the part that was most relevant to the group.

Since 1960, the biggest changes to the sexual marketplace have been.....

• The increase in access to birth prevention methods for women. Hormonal birth control pills started in 1960 and access to legal abortion became easier after that. Male condoms were around prior to 1960, though condom technology has changed since 1960 for men.
• More women with more financial independence.
• More women with more options due to abundance of prospects delivered from the internet

I entered the sexual marketplace as a high schooler in the late 1990s. The sexual marketplace I've seen since 2000 (I finished high school in 2001) does not resemble the sexual marketplace of my parents' era of younger adulthood (late 1960s-1970s) or my grandparents' generation.

Even the sexual marketplace of the 1990s to mid-2000s is a bit different than today. I've seen changes in female behavior from the early to mid-2000s as compared to the last 10 years.

Sex before marriage was less common prior to World War II and even up until 1960.

One of the things I've seen with late Gen X'ers and early Millennials (birth years 1978-1986) is a behavior difference for that the ones with parents who bucked the trend of increasing divorce of the 1970s-1990s and had parents stay together. These late Gen X'ers and early Millennials with parents who stayed together often developed unrealistic expectations for their own lives in the sexual marketplace of the early 21st Century. Their parents staying together was even an achievement for the sexual marketplace of the 1980s-1990s, and had no relevance on life in early 21st Century.

 

[BeExcellent]

It was a different time even from when you referenced. My grandmother was born in 1909, the Titanic hadn’t sunk yet, women couldn’t vote then.

My father was born in 1933. Great Depression (although my family wasn’t affected as oil was booming)….

I was born in 1969. The interesting thing in my family is there are no baby boomers. None. So nobody in my family was raised with that sexual revolution hippie flower child value system. My parents were old school compared to the baby boomers….and raised us the way they had been raised.

Kind of interesting.

 

[Smooth_texter]

It seems that a lot of articles supporting (creating) the trend of older women dating younger men were written in the last 10 years. Which effectively increases the socially accepted age, at which "The Wall" starts.

I have just read this article about the same trend in Nigeria. I have no idea of the actual culture there, and also thought that it was a lot less westernized and more traditional. If this article is even partially true, it seems that this trend is in a lot of countries now. In this particular case, there are economic reasons as well.

Seems that Nigerian men that were described were kind of sugar babies (women taking care of them) and submissive - women dictating the relationship.

It also seems that the older Nigerian women did this to get more sexual pleasure and to be able to have power over their partner. Thus swapping gender roles.

Excerpt from the article:

"Adeola Kolade, a fashion designer, said that younger men had more energy and life span to satisfy older women sexually. "


“The economy is doing a lot of things. It makes it easier for a young man who is supposed to meet a very young girl, to prefer an elderly woman.

“Older women will be like have you eaten today? Let me send some money to your account, she gives you relief and when the elderly woman is going to help you, the young one will be taking from him,” he said.

 

[CornbreadFed]

You mean a guy like this one who is 55 years old can't have a young hot woman?

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Your average 55-year-old guy looks like this. I know one fat obese 50 year old that turned his weight around now is extremely fit, but it took a doctor telling him that he wasn't going to live long enough to see his daughter graduate. The guy below will more than likely not get that fat, so comfortably hover around this range.

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

Your average 55-year-old guy looks like this.

Doesn't look like a European 55-year-old.

so, what is this 'wall'?

 

[itouchyou]

I think it depends on aging genetics.. for women with top tier aging genetics, I think their peak is 40, and the wall hits at 50ish. Of course this is only the case when they're wearing makeup - without makeup, I would say much younger, but given that I never see women with makeup, I can't comment on that.

 

[BadBoy89]

I really think the men who chase after “post-wall” women, it’s for companionship only, someone to talk to.

Heck, I go for lunch once a month with a 48 year old former model from Ukraine who has been divorced, live in boyfriend for 20 years, and is going to be a grandma in 1 month. Why do I go? To keep the bridge, she has some business connections.

Ive done it with a 60 year old divorced woman. A 42 year old divorced women. I never think about having sex with them. My limit to have sex with a woman is 38, For me, she cannot be older than child bearing age.

 

[itouchyou]

I really think the men who chase after “post-wall” women, it’s for companionship only, someone to talk to.

Heck, I go for lunch once a month with a 48 year old former model from Ukraine who has been divorced, live in boyfriend for 20 years, and is going to be a grandma in 1 month. Why do I go? To keep the bridge, she has some business connections.

Ive done it with a 60 year old divorced woman. A 42 year old divorced women. I never think about having sex with them. My limit to have sex with a woman is 38, For me, she cannot be older than child bearing age.

Any advice to do this with a married woman? This is like the ideal situation I want. Met her many months ago and thinking of hitting her up on IG. She's very attractive, but like you say, I have no sexual thoughts with her.