Let's Be Real Here Pt.1 - "The wall" actually starts at 50

[pipeman84]

There is merit to that stance, but if your implication is that 18-21 year olds are better suited for LTRs, I would disagree unless the man is also of the same age bracket.

If a woman doesn't have an LTR mindset at 18, she won't have it at 26 after having been on the carousel. She might think that, but she's just fooling herself and the poor sap willing to marry her. I'm not saying that 18 is always better than 22, I'm saying that with each additional year, the probability of her accumulating baggage increases. As two extreme examples you can have a 19yrs old who is already doing porn for a year and a 25yrs old virgin. No brainer which one is more suited for LTR.

Are you really suggesting a 21yrs guy is more capable to be the head of the family as compared to a 31yrs or 40yrs old guy? C'mon man.

People, and women especially, go through a fairly significant development in their early 20s and emerge quite differently in terms of mindset.

In the words of 2Pac, some things will never change. There's growth and development but family mindset, loyalty, femininity ... those are either there or not.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I think I would rather do without in that case.

You age gracefully, stay strong and vital and you accept your station in life. It doesn’t mean you don’t strive for what makes you happy. But what makes you happy changes as you mature.

If you’re a well adjusted individual your priorities will change. What attracts you will change.

When you’re young everything seems rigid, you’re used to having things a certain way, but as you mature you understand that the locus of control shifts, you either accept it and adjust or you don’t.

Rigid ideology is what makes many here so seemingly unhappy, it’s what makes many of you adopt a stance and stick to it.

Again, as you mature and gain experiences you start focusing on reality, yes you can to some extent change your reality but much is out of your control. You then choose to be a bitter man, or not.

You don’t need to agree with me. For the most part, as your current experience is different than mine, but I believe that that too will change as you age.

 

[Bingo-Player]

Not really

Women in the early 30s still have a lot of solid options, especially if their took good care of themselves

Women quality starts getting quite affected 35+, but still she would be quite attractive to guys in their 40s-50s ( or older )

Most guys will not be able to date women in their 20s

As an idea, the wall is very correlated to how good care she takes of herself. There are plenty of women who are hot even in their 40s

It's not just the physical aspect though is it

Mentally after 30 they start becoming a little deranged especially if they have been on the shelf for too long for whatever reason

Women aren't wired like men they need extreme amounts of validation and attention because that's what most of them get from a very young age as they get older this becomes more and more difficult to get

Most women marry up young and have a family and this provides most of their needs

Its when they don't the problems start

 

[Bigpapa]

It's not just the physical aspect though is it

Mentally after 30 they start becoming a little deranged especially if they have been on the shelf for too long for whatever reason

Women aren't wired like men they need extreme amounts of validation and attention because that's what most of them get from a very young age as they get older this becomes more and more difficult to get

Most women marry up young and have a family and this provides most of their needs

Its when they don't the problems start

But being deranged has nothing to do with guts wanting to smash you

Yes, I agree that relationship wise once they are over 30 ( especially ) it gets very difficult to get a relationship from a quality guy ( at least in most cases )

But there would still be hordes of simps making a Que to date her

 

[Smooth_texter]

Your Red Pill gurus advertise below 30 usually for marketing tactics. Honestly, it is 50 plus because women can still find a man regardless of her weight, kids out of wedlock, and age. There's a reason you don't have a large chunk of forced chastised femcels over the age of 30. The whole wall is simply a cope.

Yes, this has been my view even years ago, even when I was mostly Blue pilled.

Saying that a 23/24 year old woman "has hit a wall" and is now invisible to men is wild to say the least (some redpill gurus said that a few years ago, now they have modified that to 28/29). It's not like every man is a tall billionaire, living a the life of a Hollywood celebrity (even DiCaprio dumps his girlfriends when they become 26 years old )

And even if every man was a billionaire with an interesting life, that automatically makes everyone average, and their SMV rebalances in favor of the women.

 

[Smooth_texter]

Only low value & inexperienced men will allow an older wall because he is desperate

these types of guys probably say dumb simp sh1t and are also probably very beta and very weak

There's a catch 22 for older women though because while these type of guys might be around none of them are really that attractive to her

they know that these types of men are bottom of the barrel men that no other woman wants and it repulses them and they get bitter they never took the valuable guy whilst they were

Any man with a an ounce of sense or self respect will understand the woman you choose to marry is probably THE MOST precious asset you will ever commit too

Who in their right mind wants to marry a 30 year + chick with another mans children and a decades worth of emotional trauma

the answer - A LOW VALUE FVCKING IDIOT

The clock very much starts ticking for women to find a good valuable man at around 25

a man she actually likes and wants to have his children

they have a window here of about 5 years where they are optimal age for child bearing IF she doesn't settle by 30 and choose to ride the carousel

she usually starts to go sour very very quickly
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I am literally seeing it happen before my eyes with girls I knew growing up

I agree with you, but these principles are strictly about marrying a woman. I would also add a low body count.

My thread is to gather general opinions on whether women have still a lot of options way past the theoretical wall at 23-25.

If there are a lot of guys that simp for her, she still would be able to select at least a few that are "good enough" (from tens or hundreds of suitors). Such selectivity is something that even a peak SMV guy cannot afford, regardless of self improvement.

The whole idea is not to be bitter, but to get an overall realistic perspective on why women are so selective at any age, what is the maximum age of a "boss babe" and build a game plan.

 

[Manure Spherian]

There is no wall.

 

[tightgrp]

50 yr old women are unattractive. Yoh can have all of em.

Sadly, there are very few exceptions. I think the hormone changes change their facial structure to be more masculine.

 

[typical]

How many Fvckin losers are on this forum now !!!!

The Wall aka the biological imperative to secure long term provisions and enable the female of the human species to produce healthy viable offspring starts at 25 !!!

If that sentence was too diffcult for your neanderthal brain to decipher it means that somewhere in all women's brain at around the age of 25 a timer starts to tick down telling her she needs to have kids and build a nest before it's too late. She can ignore it or she can act on it.

Society has been trying (and failing) to tell women that they can compete with a man at any age. I can still bear children till a second before I die of old age !!! A woman cannot !!!

Stop trying to justify your weak inner game and weak outlook on life by moving the goalposts to an age bracket that makes you feel comfortable that "You're Alpha" !!!

If you had the choice of picking a 25-28 year old University grad with good morals and a semi low body count as a wife OR a woman in her late 30's early 40's with a career mindset and 2 almost teenage children, Who would you pick ?? Who's going to try and please you ? Who's going to put you as a priority ? Who's going to place you behind her career and kids ?

You guys a delusional OR lack the ability to seduce women !!!

Also as a side note, why would any sane man want to get married in this day and age ? It's a losing proposition for a man. Better to date many women and keep the ones that show high interest and low baggage, why waste time on a single mother with baby daddy and childcare issues and work issues, FvCK that sh!t man, I'm trying to have a good time not trying to sort out an interview with someone that thinks she deserves a millionaire while working an entry level job or has teenage kids !

 

[Gamisch]

Yes, this has been my view even years ago, even when I was mostly Blue pilled.

Saying that a 23/24 year old woman "has hit a wall" and is now invisible to men is wild to say the least (some redpill gurus said that a few years ago, now they have modified that to 28/29). It's not like every man is a tall billionaire, living a the life of a Hollywood celebrity (even DiCaprio dumps his girlfriends when they become 26 years old )

And even if every man was a billionaire with an interesting life, that automatically makes everyone average, and their SMV rebalances in favor of the women.

As I said, 28 is her personal wall.

Because 30 is around the corner , and she did some abortions and dicthed many good men. Now she starts to panic as she sees younger versions of herself everywhere.

But...around 32 she will embrace it again because the simps that were her age are at least more manly now, but still aa beta.

How many Fvckin losers are on this forum now !!!!

The Wall aka the biological imperative to secure long term provisions and enable the female of the human species to produce healthy viable offspring starts at 25 !!!

If that sentence was too diffcult for your neanderthal brain to decipher it means that somewhere in all women's brain at around the age of 25 a timer starts to tick down telling her she needs to have kids and build a nest before it's too late. She can ignore it or she can act on it.

Society has been trying (and failing) to tell women that they can compete with a man at any age. I can still bear children till a second before I die of old age !!! A woman cannot !!!

Stop trying to justify your weak inner game and weak outlook on life by moving the goalposts to an age bracket that makes you feel comfortable that "You're Alpha" !!!

If you had the choice of picking a 25-28 year old University grad with good morals and a semi low body count as a wife OR a woman in her late 30's early 40's with a career mindset and 2 almost teenage children, Who would you pick ?? Who's going to try and please you ? Who's going to put you as a priority ? Who's going to place you behind her career and kids ?

You guys a delusional OR lack the ability to seduce women !!!

I don't disagree with you, but we have to take into consideration the fact that its US men that allow women to move and extend their wall.

Couple years ago I had to kill a dryspell and hooked up with a"thick" chick. Pretty face, disgusting body. Still..she got mad i just wanted to smash every now and then, stopped talking and few weeks later she found an actual boyfriend. Complete beta dude but hey..there was always a line up of both desperate dudes like I was, or even "stable" men looking for a relationship. No reason to improve anything, no wall ect.

But again ,the truth of the matter is that a woman INDIVIDUALLY will definitely hit a wall around 25,hence the infinite depressions, bad moods, insecurity ect. No simp can ever give her back her youth.

Latest trend will be women chasing MUCH younger men, whereas back then it was always the other way around . Its so easy to meet a man that they might as well pick two instead of one..

 

[typical]

As I said, 28 is her personal wall.

Because 30 is around the corner , and she did some abortions and dicthed many good men. Now she starts to panic as she sees younger versions of herself everywhere.

But...around 32 she will embrace it again because the simps that were her age are at least more manly now, but still aa beta.

I don't disagree with you, but we have to take into consideration the fact that its US men that allow women to move and extend their wall.

Couple years ago I had to kill a dryspell and hooked up with a"thick" chick. Pretty face, disgusting body. Still..she got mad i just wanted to smash every now and then, stopped talking and few weeks later she found an actual boyfriend. Complete beta dude but hey..there was always a line up of both desperate dudes like I was, or even "stable" men looking for a relationship. No reason to improve anything, no wall ect.

But again ,the truth of the matter is that a woman INDIVIDUALLY will definitely hit a wall around 25,hence the infinite depressions, bad moods, insecurity ect. No simp can ever give her back her youth.

Latest trend will be women chasing MUCH younger men, whereas back then it was always the other way around . Its so easy to meet a man that they might as well pick two instead of one..

See THAT is the probem ! Far too many men are willing to settle for "Bottom of the Barrell" women, hey I don't blame you for wanting to smash a cute looking overweight chick during a dryspell ! The male sexual drive and desire is a mighty beast to contend with and keep under control at times. BUT you knew that you were in it for a fun time not a long time, that other lad that became her BF doesn't know any better, You don't know what you don't know or have never experienced !

And THIS is why forums like Sosuave exist, to teach young men to value themselves to make life and career goals and to enable them with a mindset and ability to date/sleep/marry any woman he desires OR the most beautiful woman with the least baggage he desires.

Forum's like this were not created to enable men to settle down for the leftovers of another man or the shills of society or the broken remains of a deranged crazy woman !

 

[Gamisch]

See THAT is the probem ! Far too many men are willing to settle for "Bottom of the Barrell" women, hey I don't blame you for wanting to smash a cute looking overweight chick during a dryspell ! The male sexual drive and desire is a mighty beast to contend with and keep under control at times. BUT you knew that you were in it for a fun time not a long time, that other lad that became her BF doesn't know any better, You don't know what you don't know or have never experienced !

And THIS is why forums like Sosuave exist, to teach young men to value themselves to make life and career goals and to enable them with a mindset and ability to date/sleep/marry any woman he desires OR the most beautiful woman with the least baggage he desires.

Forum's like this were not created to enable men to settle down for the leftovers of another man or the shills of society or the broken remains of a deranged crazy woman !

Again i agree. I have a map in my bookmarks called Sosuave Gold. I love to dig for old gold here.

There's a clear swift that happened somewhere around ten years ago. Before EVERY manHAD to approach
Even your grandfather told you how he nervously HAD to approach your grandmother, otherwise you wouldn't be here..

Now the goal.post has moved to" how to get her to even TALK to me". Let make Suave treat again!

I felt a constant negging feeling of embarrassment when i dealt with that woman. Next dude was actually proud of her. Got dumped a month later..

 

[typical]

Again i agree. I have a map in my bookmarks called Sosuave Gold. I love to dig for old gold here.

There's a clear swift that happened somewhere around ten years ago. Before EVERY manHAD to approach
Even your grandfather told you how he nervously HAD to approach your grandmother, otherwise you wouldn't be here..

Now the goal.post has moved to" how to get her to even TALK to me". Let make Suave treat again!

I felt a constant negging feeling of embarrassment when i dealt with that woman. Next dude was actually proud of her. Got dumped a month later..

Exactly its the MAN'S JOB TO LEAD !!!

And that nagging feeling was your gut telling you that "Bruv you can do better", Which I'm glad you listened too.

I'm from the generation where we had school dance night or a ball nearly every year since Primary/elementary. The teachers would teach us traditional dances like waltz, foxtrot, salsa and mambo. Lads had to go to up to a girl and there was an etiquitte of asking said girl to dance, the girls were taught an etiquatte of accepting OR declining. We got introduced to "Cold Approaching" and "Handling Rejection" from a young age.

Now theya re teaching kids the million different gender's

 

[Gamisch]

Exactly its the MAN'S JOB TO LEAD !!!

I'm from the generation where we had school dance night or a ball nearly every year since Primary/elementary. The teachers would teach us traditional dances like waltz, foxtrot, salsa and mambo. Lads had to go to up to a girl and there was an etiquitte of asking said girl to dance, the girls were taught an etiquatte of accepting OR declining. We got introduced to "Cold Approaching" and "Handling Rejection" from a young age.

Now theya re teaching kids the million different gender's

The "funny" thing is that many men believe that OLD is a sustainable alternative solution to C approach (hence how I got sucked into that dryspell, i got lazy due to using OLD).

While the effect of a man who refuses to "ask the girl for a dance" has remained the same aa when we were young; that man will watch from the side how other dudes do play the game. Men are now confused. They've dangled this juicy steakin the form of " millions of single women are now within your reach " in front of them but they never got a taste.

" aaah so i can sit at home in my dirty underwear and STILL get an hb8,5 hy swiping right??"

NOPE!! That's why men struggle. They got a non-working solution, a placebo pill but the effect is gone now. Now these men are standing against the wall alone while the "popular guys" make shyte happen.

 

[Bigpapa]

NOPE!! That's why men struggle. They got a non-working solution, a placebo pill but the effect is gone now. Now these men are standing against the wall alone while the "popular guys" make shyte happen.

Online dating is the worst thing that happened to dating, mainly because women are indoctrinated by social media with a lifestyle that they think is possible but in reality it never is the case

So they play the game till they become bankrupt, but even then … there would be simps ready to take them

I think a good example is someone who goes to the casino starts spinning at the slot and will only stop once they hit the mega jackpot. Any other big wins will not be considered good enough. Degenerative gambling basically

On another note, this is the best time ever for just sex

You can not have a lot of “casual” sex without making weak the family, and vice versa

It is funny though, if you look at the wealthy families ( especially those with old money ) yoh will notice that in most cases they get married quite young

 

[Gamisch]

Online dating is the worst thing that happened to dating, mainly because women are indoctrinated by social media with a lifestyle that they think is possible but in reality it never is the case

So they play the game till they become bankrupt, but even then … there would be simps ready to take them

I think a good example is someone who goes to the casino starts spinning at the slot and will only stop once they hit the mega jackpot. Any other big wins will not be considered good enough. Degenerative gambling basically

On another note, this is the best time ever for just sex

You can not have a lot of “casual” sex without making weak the family, and vice versa

It is funny though, if you look at the wealthy families ( especially those with old money ) yoh will notice that in most cases they get married quite young

It is the worst thing that could happen to dating so far.

The thing is that women dont know about this, because NO sane man will discuss his women-struggles with a woman. It'll make you look WEAK and UNDESIRABLE. Same goes for explaining, or MANsplain to a woman how stale and dry a "boys night out" could be. That you might've spend ...200 bucks each and you basically git nothing. Women won't necessarily understand this.

So a man chalks up his bad experiences and tries to improve. As the viral vidwo says; lets travel to...Egypt just to get a picture with the pyramids. So Stacy thinks you are" made" and " exiting ". Meanwhile Stacey apparently can make a bsd picture with her phone in front of her face and it will be JUST FINE.

I like the casino example. You could also compare it with that show that asked if you wanted to stop OR go for the next, tougher question and eithers lose it or double it all

So yeah..it's like your "friend" makes money through the casino while you ALWAYS seem to be on the losing side of things, mainly because the casino allows him to win UNTILL he won't...eventually we will all lose ,both men and women.

 

[Bigpapa]

So yeah..it's like your "friend" makes money through the casino while you ALWAYS seem to be on the losing side of things, mainly because the casino allows him to win UNTILL he won't...eventually we will all lose ,both men and women.

We lose on the long term, not on the short term

Even for guys, this time is the best it was ever been to get laid. The vast majority of guys complaining that they can not get laid are entitled guys who believe that they should only put little to no effort in who they are, while women should love them for whom they are

It is the same line of thinking that ugly women have, “ guys these days are so shallow, they only care if you look good or not “

Yes, is tougher for guys to get laid than it is for women… but with enough effort you should be on the winning side

There is an old saying stating that men are made through rising above adversity, not by just having a penis

No one likes weak men, not even other men

As an example, a bone will get tougher and tougher to crack as it starts getting broken

 

[nismo-4]

The wall is heavily padded. It IMO starts at 60, even then that's a longshot. From someone who slept with women north of 50, 60, a couple even north of 70...all had high sex drives. I didn't commit though.

All you motherf**kers here would rather a threesome with Halle Berry and Shakira instead of playing Fortnite, let's not kid ourselves. I'll include Wendy Ida (look her up).

Anyways, as long as they're simps around, the wall is padded heavily. Now Chad, Tyrone, and Enrique won't commit...they'll just pipe her out. Bob, John, and Pedro will gladly commit even if she doesn't respect them.

All women want high value men. Men value love, women love value.

There are still women past 50 who have Onlyfans. What does all this tell you?

 

[IamtheAlphamale]

It says on google that a white woman, who's 45 and never been married, has a 26% chance of getting married in the future.

A black woman who is 45, and never married has a 49% chance in the future.

This may have to do with white women aging really badly.

 

[Westminster]

You age gracefully, stay strong and vital and you accept your station in life. It doesn’t mean you don’t strive for what makes you happy. But what makes you happy changes as you mature.

If you’re a well adjusted individual your priorities will change. What attracts you will change.

When you’re young everything seems rigid, you’re used to having things a certain way, but as you mature you understand that the locus of control shifts, you either accept it and adjust or you don’t.

Rigid ideology is what makes many here so seemingly unhappy, it’s what makes many of you adopt a stance and stick to it.

Again, as you mature and gain experiences you start focusing on reality, yes you can to some extent change your reality but much is out of your control. You then choose to be a bitter man, or not.

You don’t need to agree with me. For the most part, as your current experience is different than mine, but I believe that that too will change as you age.

Well, I'm not sure how much more I need to age or how much more experience you think I need but it's fair to say that I think I know my own mind by now = and, quite frankly, I'm just not attracted to menopausal women.

I'm not sure it's an ideological or philosophical stance per se.