Let's Be Real Here Pt.1 - "The wall" actually starts at 50

[Smooth_texter]

Hi forum.


I have been somewhat black/red pilled even in high school, but I was missing on things like how to create tension, escalate and so on.


Three or four years ago, I started my proper journey into the different pills. I specifically remember Rollo talking about "women hitting the wall at 23" - which to me sounds absurd. It's not like a 23/24 and above woman becomes invisible and most men are gigachads hunting down 18-22 women. (He has now somewhat modified that, defining that 28-29 is "wall" age)

During the last one year I also had a few FWB, ranging from 33-44, and I can assure you that they are literally drowning in male attention. A few prominent posters even wrote about their moms having no issues with dating in their 60s, and being desired by men ranging from 40 to 70 years old.


With that said, what would be the age for you, what would be the cut off age, that you would consider a "hard wall"?

 

[Dr.Suave]

There are exceptions of course. But on most girls, the wall starts sometime after 23. For me, as a mid 30s guy, most girls over 37 are invisible.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Your Red Pill gurus advertise below 30 usually for marketing tactics. Honestly, it is 50 plus because women can still find a man regardless of her weight, kids out of wedlock, and age. There's a reason you don't have a large chunk of forced chastised femcels over the age of 30. The whole wall is simply a cope.

 

[SW15]

I agree that the wall, if it exists, starts more around 50. The wall isn't is a woman's 30s or even 40s. These women still have plenty of options.

Go look at a 35 year old's woman options. They are more plentiful than a 35 year old man's options. Mostly any 35 or 40 year old woman has more of a quantity of options than a 35 year old or 40 year old man. Their swipe queues are fuller, their Instagram DMs are more plentiful, and their Twitter/LinkedIn DMs are also more plentiful. Mostly every woman who is at least semi active on LinkedIn is getting date offers, even women using LinkedIn who are married with children and not looking for new penis.

It gets more difficult to assess women's quantity of options at 30+ or 35+ when you consider the quality of these options. Most women 30+ need to drop their ridiculously high standards. Even when they drop their standards, they'll still end up with a pretty good deal. A woman who wants a $150,000-$200,000 year earning guy can end up with a decent man making $75,000-$100,000 if she's willing to drop her standards. She can get that commitment and that's not that bad. The problem is that a lot of women refuse to drop their absurdly high standards.

When women in their 30s and early 40s complain about their dating woes, it's almost always self inflicted. Women in their 30s and early 40s still enjoy a great deal of options. Because they still have abundance, they can still get something decent, even if they have to drop their standards as compared to 10 years earlier in their lives.

In 2014, Roosh wrote an article about The Wall being softer than most men think it is. It is still applicable in 2023, if not more applicable.

The typical unmarried guy in his 30s/40s is a vagina beggar who will gladly accept an extended relationship with a similarly aged woman.

The Wall Is Softer Than We Think

 

[Bingo-Player]

Only low value & inexperienced men will allow an older wall because he is desperate

these types of guys probably say dumb simp sh1t and are also probably very beta and very weak

There's a catch 22 for older women though because while these type of guys might be around none of them are really that attractive to her

they know that these types of men are bottom of the barrel men that no other woman wants and it repulses them and they get bitter they never took the valuable guy whilst they were

Any man with a an ounce of sense or self respect will understand the woman you choose to marry is probably THE MOST precious asset you will ever commit too

Who in their right mind wants to marry a 30 year + chick with another mans children and a decades worth of emotional trauma

the answer - A LOW VALUE FVCKING IDIOT

The clock very much starts ticking for women to find a good valuable man at around 25

a man she actually likes and wants to have his children

they have a window here of about 5 years where they are optimal age for child bearing IF she doesn't settle by 30 and choose to ride the carousel

she usually starts to go sour very very quickly
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I am literally seeing it happen before my eyes with girls I knew growing up

 

[pipeman84]

If it's strictly sex, assuming the woman takes care of herself, then I think the wall starts somewhere at +55yrs old.

If it's for marriage and children then probably around 25yrs old. Yeah I know she's still fertile at 35yrs old, but a woman at that age most probably comes with a lot of baggage from failed relationships that makes it highly unlikely you'll have a happy family.

 

[Westminster]

I think the wall is older than is generally agreed in the manosphere.

Most women in their 30s and 40s still get lots of attention although, for most, that's drying up by late 40s - as they dry up. Literally.

In other words, the menopause is the wall for the vast majority of women. So, mainly late 40s, early 50s.

To me, anybody chasing menopausal women has got to be a bit of an oddball or truly desperate. I mean, why would you?

They lose their figure, their softness, the hair goes dry and they lose sex drive. As well as being infertile of course. That's the wall. Well and truly.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Who in their right mind wants to marry a 30 year + chick with another mans children and a decades worth of emotional trauma

literally the majority of posters on this forum are messing with single moms and making topics crying about them when they play games.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

I belive there are many "walls"

18/23 top score

24/26 they get sexual and personal attention from all men (not top 5%ers)

27/30 they get sexual attention from all men but commitment only from bottom 80%ers

31/33 they get sexual attention from bottom 80%ers but commitment only from mid and low tiers men

34/36 thats when what we generally consider as the wall happens...sexual attention only if they make it easy and commitment only from either older or low tier men...that's when the average man checks out from their life.

>37 sexual attention only from old men, young horny guys hunting for milfs or low tier men, same thing with commitment options except for the young horny guys.

 

[Dr.Suave]

literally the majority of posters on this forum are messing with single moms and making topics crying about them when they play games.

Next thread on SoSuave:

"Single mom (of multiple kids, all with different dads) is playing hard to get and wont put out. What do I do guys?"

 

[sharkfinale]

So much discussion on where the wall is.

Let's just get random number, build the wall there, and be done with it.

#menofaction

 

[Bingo-Player]

literally the majority of posters on this forum are messing with single moms and making topics crying about them when they play games.

Because the majority on here use swipe apps as their main funnel and that is all that's really on them

Single mothers, fat women and women with unrealistic expectations

 

[CornbreadFed]

Because the majority on here use swipe apps as their main funnel and that is all that's really on them

Single mothers, fat women and women with unrealistic expectations

There’s plenty of hot non single moms on the apps. The guy chooses to make love to single moms and fatties by choice not force. They tend to be pretty upfront about being a single mom on their profile. You are more than likely to be influenced to date a single mom through warm approach (peer pressure & convenience) or cold approaching at a bar or some place and finding out later that she's a single mother, but the investment is already there.

 

[Gamisch]

There are 3 types of walls and they're all connected to one another;

1. The personal wall. Or I'd say: The wall of flawless beauty. A 2006 mercedes Benz is still a Merry, but not a new one..it's less valuable than a 2016 Mercedes let alone a mew one from this year.. Period. So when she starts to deteriorate, SHE will know. The mirror never lies.

2. The sexual wall. Indeed somewhere around 50 AND pushing...if I have to believe the recent threads on this site..many young men chasing older women(50+). The idea of the 30y.o female wall is a leftover from the pre early 2000's.

3. Most overlooked; YOUR wall. Yes. If you hit the wall at 30 and your SMV goes down and plummets, the wall for women goes up. The less value you offer the more shyte you'll have to take. Your wall--35 =her wall 50. If you manage to stay fresh at an older age you can still get younger women. Best example you'll notice this is the moment you are with a woman and, lets say the both of you are 37 (while you stayed somewhat fresh ). You look at her realizing that your smv is now actually hoger than hers. Might've been a different story 10, or even 15 years ago.

And by the way"staying fresh" for a man is about his physical, financial and spiritual state ,not just his looks.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Looks to me like the physical decline of most women starts at 25 for white women, 30 for black, Asian, and Latina women. However, that decline is slow over a period of about 7-10 years. After that 7-10 years it just falls off a cliff.

Think about summer weather in the Northern Hemisphere. Late June to late July is the summer peak. August begins the slow decline but it is slow enough that is it imperceptible all the way through early September. Then somewhere in the second half of September, summer just disappears and temperatures plummet.

 

[SW15]

To me, anybody chasing menopausal women has got to be a bit of an oddball or truly desperate. I mean, why would you?

They lose their figure, their softness, the hair goes dry and they lose sex drive. As well as being infertile of course. That's the wall. Well and truly.

A man who is 55+ or 60+ in most cases won't have any other choice but to pursue women who are 50+ and postmenopausal.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

A man who is 55+ or 60+ in most cases won't have any other choice but to pursue women who are 50+ and postmenopausal.

He is better off at that age getting escorts on the weekend and a dog for companionship.

The only reason for not doing so is that he could die before the dog and the dog would have his heart shattered.

 

[Barrister]

The "wall" has always been a cope for men who are having trouble on the dating scene. Most people in general are going to physically start losing a step by 50 or so. This is a human condition. Suggesting that a woman has hit the "wall" by age 26 is beyond asinine. I would argue that those women are in some ways the most attractive women to date as they are out of their wild phase in their teens/early 20s but are still physically beautiful (assuming they are naturally HB 8+ of course and take care of themselves). They are clearly still able to reproduce as well and do so safely. By all objective standards still physically at the top of their health.

Men would be better off worrying less about women "hitting the wall" and focus more on themselves. Regardless of his age.

 

[CornbreadFed]

I have a neighbor that fits your typical feminist white female that chose dogs, career, brunch, and travelling over finding a suitable partner to settle with. She is in her mid 40s, overweight and likes to show skin while going outside. She is a Karen, has multiple dogs, higher middle management job, and still manages to get guys to come over. She's had multiple boyfriends over a year so far lol, so getting dvck isn't obviously not a problem for her. Icing on the Cake, her newest boyfriend drives a Mclaren lol.

 

[pipeman84]

Suggesting that a woman has hit the "wall" by age 26 is beyond asinine. I would argue that those women are in some ways the most attractive women to date as they are out of their wild phase in their teens/early 20s but are still physically beautiful (assuming they are naturally HB 8+ of course and take care of themselves). They are clearly still able to reproduce as well and do so safely. By all objective standards still physically at the top of their health.

Yeah, you can date them, or just go the direct route and hire them. But are you willing to take on legal responsibilities to get what other got for free? Are you willing to make the mother of your kids a woman who's just out of her 'wild phase'?
By 26yrs old and with several failed relationships on her resume, what are the odds that she's with you out of true desire instead of settling for you as a provider? What are the odds you'll be able to raise your kids as a full time dad inside a happy family, as opposed to a part time dad who is able to see his kids according to a court's timetable?