Let's Be Real Here Pt.1 - "The wall" actually starts at 50

[EyeBRollin]

Icing on the Cake, her newest boyfriend drives a Mclaren lol.

That is a one way relationship. He’s banging other broads.

 

[CornbreadFed]

That is a one way relationship. He’s banging other broads.

Not like anything has changed if she was pursing the same type of men in her twenties.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Not like anything has changed if she was pursing the same type of men in her twenties.

A lot has changed. Women are judged on marriages. Not who they are fvcking. If she has no ring from a man of value, she has failed.

 

[CornbreadFed]

A lot has changed. Women are judged on marriages. Not who they are fvcking. If she has no ring from a man of value, she has failed.

I do not disagree with you, but from her perspective she is winning because she is still having sex with high value guys. She was doing the same meaningless sex in her twenties with younger Chad's, so nothing has really changed.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I do not disagree with you, but from her perspective she is winning because she is still having sex with high value guys. She was doing the same meaningless sex in her twenties with younger Chad's, so nothing has really changed.

It will only change when the sexual attention dries up. Like a typical modern woman, she is delusional. Women only win if they get a ring from a man of value. Everything else is abject failure.

 

[The Duke]

The 48 and up girls in OLD are the most desperate. If I right swipe one it's almost always guaranteed that I will match.

 

[TheEveningChronograph]

I remember when Jennifer Moleski called it at 25. LMAO. Care I do not. They can't even define what a woman is anymore.

 

[tightgrp]

I agree that the wall, if it exists, starts more around 50. The wall isn't is a woman's 30s or even 40s. These women still have plenty of options.

Go look at a 35 year old's woman options. They are more plentiful than a 35 year old man's options. Mostly any 35 or 40 year old woman has more of a quantity of options than a 35 year old or 40 year old man. Their swipe queues are fuller, their Instagram DMs are more plentiful, and their Twitter/LinkedIn DMs are also more plentiful. Mostly every woman who is at least semi active on LinkedIn is getting date offers, even women using LinkedIn who are married with children and not looking for new penis.

It gets more difficult to assess women's quantity of options at 30+ or 35+ when you consider the quality of these options. Most women 30+ need to drop their ridiculously high standards. Even when they drop their standards, they'll still end up with a pretty good deal. A woman who wants a $150,000-$200,000 year earning guy can end up with a decent man making $75,000-$100,000 if she's willing to drop her standards. She can get that commitment and that's not that bad. The problem is that a lot of women refuse to drop their absurdly high standards.

When women in their 30s and early 40s complain about their dating woes, it's almost always self inflicted. Women in their 30s and early 40s still enjoy a great deal of options. Because they still have abundance, they can still get something decent, even if they have to drop their standards as compared to 10 years earlier in their lives.

In 2014, Roosh wrote an article about The Wall being softer than most men think it is. It is still applicable in 2023, if not more applicable.

The typical unmarried guy in his 30s/40s is a vagina beggar who will gladly accept an extended relationship with a similarly aged woman.

The Wall Is Softer Than We Think

"Vagina beggar"... All around. Like a virus.

 

[tightgrp]

I think the wall is older than is generally agreed in the manosphere.

Most women in their 30s and 40s still get lots of attention although, for most, that's drying up by late 40s - as they dry up. Literally.

In other words, the menopause is the wall for the vast majority of women. So, mainly late 40s, early 50s.

To me, anybody chasing menopausal women has got to be a bit of an oddball or truly desperate. I mean, why would you?

They lose their figure, their softness, the hair goes dry and they lose sex drive. As well as being infertile of course. That's the wall. Well and truly.

Menopause -> they become more like men. And they still have more options than men. I recently went to the gym at geriatric hour and clearly observed all the beggars hovering around the older women like flies.

 

[BadBoy89]

We have to define what we are talking about when we are talking about “the wall”. Is it for babies and sex, or for a relationship? It’s 2 different things that make the age of the wall change drastically.

For attraction and sex, the wall is 30
For marriage, the wall is 33.
For babies, the wall is 35.
Anything over 38, and the women is done.

Imagine being a 45 year old man, making good money, looking ok. Your friend says:

”Hey, I got this decent looking woman for you, works out, has a good job, looks sexy.“.
“Great, set me up.”
”She is 41 and has a 18 year old son.”

Would any man care?

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

While you guys argue about the wall, I’m out here tapping “post wall” hotties way hotter than you keyboard jockeys could pull at any age, and you’re arguing about who does what...

Why the frak would you care what other men are doing?

You guys crack me up sometimes, so much attention seeking and posturing.

If you young rubes are lucky enough to be my age doing this you’ll be singing a different tune.

What you lack in skill, stamina, sophistication and wisdom you try to make up for with enthusiasm…

bwahahaha

Still there are a few of us here still trying to make you better men despite yourselves.

 

[Ricky]

when i was 23 i didn't have much dating skills or experience with women.

the 46 year old secretary where i worked seduced me. She was still in good shape but between living in florida for a while and hitting the tanning bed alot her face had become heavily wrinkled

when you turned of the lights she looked like the younger version of herself. I was in it for the sex and it was good….

it caused me alot of issues… particularly when her husband who she was separated from when it started… found out

 

[LTG71]

Only low value & inexperienced men will allow an older wall because he is desperate

these types of guys probably say dumb simp sh1t and are also probably very beta and very weak

There's a catch 22 for older women though because while these type of guys might be around none of them are really that attractive to her

they know that these types of men are bottom of the barrel men that no other woman wants and it repulses them and they get bitter they never took the valuable guy whilst they were

Any man with a an ounce of sense or self respect will understand the woman you choose to marry is probably THE MOST precious asset you will ever commit too

Who in their right mind wants to marry a 30 year + chick with another mans children and a decades worth of emotional trauma

the answer - A LOW VALUE FVCKING IDIOT

The clock very much starts ticking for women to find a good valuable man at around 25

a man she actually likes and wants to have his children

they have a window here of about 5 years where they are optimal age for child bearing IF she doesn't settle by 30 and choose to ride the carousel

she usually starts to go sour very very quickly
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I am literally seeing it happen before my eyes with girls I knew growing up

Seen this happen around me too. The single women start to loose their minds around 30. They know the biological clock is ticking and they need to lock some guy down if they want to have kids. What’s funny is the one’s I‘ve seen had to settle for more beta type options.

Even heard them state the “alpha widow” regret from their past and having to settle for whatever they can get now. The women that are more stable and have healthy relationships get snatched up at a younger age. If the woman is attractive but a complete mess, most guys will only pump and dump. Those women end up emotionally damaged and remain single until late 30s-40s or maybe indefinitely. I know a couple female incels that never could lower their standards and now have nobody in their lives. Doesn’t mean they can’t get dates, just not getting marriage proposals.

Usually by late 40s looks start to fade. Especially since the majority of women don’t exercise and have been living on easy street since they were 18. By 50, it’s “oh sh!t, I’m invisible now.” They are not invisible, we’re just not as attracted to them. Women in their 50s like J Lo, Jennifer Anniston and Julia Roberts were much hotter when younger but still can’t compete with their younger selves.

Being 52 and having school aged kids, I know several 40 year old MILFs that most guys would smash. They are not the majority but they do exist. These are mostly genetically gifted or they exercise regularly but I’d say nothing above my age group. Sorry but nothing beats a 22-25 year old hottie, it’s just how it is.

Most hilarious and profound conversation I’ve heard at work about a 30 year old female coworker.
Guy - What’s up with your friend? Does she have a husband?
Me - Nope
Guy - Boyfriend?
Me - Nope
Guy - What’s wrong with her?

Lol, plain and simple. Only thing she had to offer was looks. The rest was a complete train wreck. Sad but true.

 

[Bingo-Player]

There was a chick I smashed 2 years ago in a 4 some she would have been HB 7-8 in most books but very fake with it

She was the same age as me then (29) , it didn't go any further than that night everyone got what they wanted and we all moved on with our lives

I kept an eye on her socials though and literally she cannot hold a relationship down for longer than 3 months

She runs an only fans page ( just for fun apparently)

Some of the stuff she's posting is wild

Constantly reposting memes on her story from meme pages like " badbossb1tch bible" about how no man is worthy of her love

She's 30 and posting like she is 21 its extremely fascinating watching it

I think this current era of women entering their 30's and 40's are going to have a lot of mental health issues given the only way to compete on instagram with the younger models is too disfigure themselves with plastic surgery

And that moves me onto my next point you know a woman is approaching the wall when the surgery starts

 

[Solomon]

Your Red Pill gurus advertise below 30 usually for marketing tactics. Honestly, it is 50 plus because women can still find a man regardless of her weight, kids out of wedlock, and age. There's a reason you don't have a large chunk of forced chastised femcels over the age of 30. The whole wall is simply a cope.

Indeed is cope, show me a guy who says the wall starts at 30 and I will show you the field and how the man is a fool.
Men are naive to think that modern women aren't winning. WIth the rise of "Open" relationships you have women that are "4s" married to a Beta for resources and prevision and still get Alpha-Chad's-BWC or Tyrone's BBC. Monogamy is still a very new think and a lot of men are still using this outdated Rd pill troupe

The "wall" has always been a cope for men who are having trouble on the dating scene. Most people in general are going to physically start losing a step by 50 or so. This is a human condition. Suggesting that a woman has hit the "wall" by age 26 is beyond asinine. I would argue that those women are in some ways the most attractive women to date as they are out of their wild phase in their teens/early 20s but are still physically beautiful (assuming they are naturally HB 8+ of course and take care of themselves). They are clearly still able to reproduce as well and do so safely. By all objective standards still physically at the top of their health.

Men would be better off worrying less about women "hitting the wall" and focus more on themselves. Regardless of his age.

There are
some restaurants/bars in my state known for cougars and milfs. These women are 50 and have no problem getting sex and even relationships from men half their age and guess what? those men also pay. If a woman who is 50 is in shape and kept herself up she will have far more options than a man at 50 at her age. A lot of people seem to forget that a lot of younger women are fatter than ever

I agree that the wall, if it exists, starts more around 50. The wall isn't is a woman's 30s or even 40s. These women still have plenty of options.

Go look at a 35 year old's woman options. They are more plentiful than a 35 year old man's options. Mostly any 35 or 40 year old woman has more of a quantity of options than a 35 year old or 40 year old man. Their swipe queues are fuller, their Instagram DMs are more plentiful, and their Twitter/LinkedIn DMs are also more plentiful. Mostly every woman who is at least semi active on LinkedIn is getting date offers, even women using LinkedIn who are married with children and not looking for new penis.

It gets more difficult to assess women's quantity of options at 30+ or 35+ when you consider the quality of these options. Most women 30+ need to drop their ridiculously high standards. Even when they drop their standards, they'll still end up with a pretty good deal. A woman who wants a $150,000-$200,000 year earning guy can end up with a decent man making $75,000-$100,000 if she's willing to drop her standards. She can get that commitment and that's not that bad. The problem is that a lot of women refuse to drop their absurdly high standards.

When women in their 30s and early 40s complain about their dating woes, it's almost always self inflicted. Women in their 30s and early 40s still enjoy a great deal of options. Because they still have abundance, they can still get something decent, even if they have to drop their standards as compared to 10 years earlier in their lives.

In 2014, Roosh wrote an article about The Wall being softer than most men think it is. It is still applicable in 2023, if not more applicable.

The typical unmarried guy in his 30s/40s is a vagina beggar who will gladly accept an extended relationship with a similarly aged woman.

The Wall Is Softer Than We Think

Roosh is right and I will go even one step to say that the wall when it comes to sex for women doesn't exist
Only children

Once again with the rise of open relationships and poly relationships, it's in women's favor and not men. Onlyfans, social media etc has shown how thirsty men are for women. 1 out of 3 men between the ages of 18-35 haven't had sex in a year. It will continue to get worse for the average man while women will continue to have a Buffett of cawks at their choosing

 

[Bigpapa]

Only low value & inexperienced men will allow an older wall because he is desperate

these types of guys probably say dumb simp sh1t and are also probably very beta and very weak

There's a catch 22 for older women though because while these type of guys might be around none of them are really that attractive to her

they know that these types of men are bottom of the barrel men that no other woman wants and it repulses them and they get bitter they never took the valuable guy whilst they were

Any man with a an ounce of sense or self respect will understand the woman you choose to marry is probably THE MOST precious asset you will ever commit too

Who in their right mind wants to marry a 30 year + chick with another mans children and a decades worth of emotional trauma

the answer - A LOW VALUE FVCKING IDIOT

The clock very much starts ticking for women to find a good valuable man at around 25

a man she actually likes and wants to have his children

they have a window here of about 5 years where they are optimal age for child bearing IF she doesn't settle by 30 and choose to ride the carousel

she usually starts to go sour very very quickly
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I am literally seeing it happen before my eyes with girls I knew growing up

Not really

Women in the early 30s still have a lot of solid options, especially if their took good care of themselves

Women quality starts getting quite affected 35+, but still she would be quite attractive to guys in their 40s-50s ( or older )

Most guys will not be able to date women in their 20s

As an idea, the wall is very correlated to how good care she takes of herself. There are plenty of women who are hot even in their 40s

 

[The Duke]

It's really ok if everyone disagrees on what age the wall occurs. We all have different things we assign different values to. For me I can't get excited about any woman over the age of 50. I can't get past the wrinkles, and there are some very attractive 50yo.

I've got a 49yo friend and he won't date girls past 35yo.

No big deal.

 

[Barrister]

Yeah, you can date them, or just go the direct route and hire them. But are you willing to take on legal responsibilities to get what other got for free? Are you willing to make the mother of your kids a woman who's just out of her 'wild phase'?
By 26yrs old and with several failed relationships on her resume, what are the odds that she's with you out of true desire instead of settling for you as a provider? What are the odds you'll be able to raise your kids as a full time dad inside a happy family, as opposed to a part time dad who is able to see his kids according to a court's timetable?

I am not saying you aren't making decent points because you are. But frankly, you can use this argument you are using against having any long-term relationship with a woman. And many do just that. There is merit to that stance, but if your implication is that 18-21 year olds are better suited for LTRs, I would disagree unless the man is also of the same age bracket. People, and women especially, go through a fairly significant development in their early 20s and emerge quite differently in terms of mindset. That isn't a good recipe for LTR success.

 

[Westminster]

I have a neighbor that fits your typical feminist white female that chose dogs, career, brunch, and travelling over finding a suitable partner to settle with. She is in her mid 40s, overweight and likes to show skin while going outside. She is a Karen, has multiple dogs, higher middle management job, and still manages to get guys to come over. She's had multiple boyfriends over a year so far lol, so getting dvck isn't obviously not a problem for her. Icing on the Cake, her newest boyfriend drives a Mclaren lol.

I trust its not Rich Cooper!

 

[Westminster]

A man who is 55+ or 60+ in most cases won't have any other choice but to pursue women who are 50+ and postmenopausal.

I think I would rather do without in that case.