Just a quick reminder for all you Christians out here...

[Atom Smasher]

Both Venus and Mars are highly visible to the naked eye at twilight. Other than that, you're correct about this guy's delusions.

 

[7onriverI f]

Lol, give it up religion is dying soon it'll check in and it will be lying on its deathbed. The more historical information comes out the more it begins to unravel

So is the masonic lodge according to older masons. Still a lot of masons involved in politics.

Islam have anti semitism views and ban all lodges from their countries. Saddam Hussein had the death penalty prescribed who promote Zionist principles.

Don't you watch Donald trump? Watch anything about what he says about Israel. and then watch the rabbis and Israel politics. They are going to build a third temple in Israel.

The quakes i mean earthquakes will happen and the people will be in the caves and will be hiding from the wrath of God. Second coming of Christ will be the destruction of this third temple.

Jewish pm has said we will have to wait and see if Jesus will return when he was asked. They are looking for another messiah and don't believe Jesus is God. Some Jews do believe is Jesus is God though.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Roman historians referenced Jesus, and as inconvenient as the existence of Jesus was to Jews, Jewish scholars made many references to Jesus, across the centuries following the Crucifixion and the Jewish Exile. There's more documentary evidence for the existence of Jesus than for the existence of many lesser historical figures whose existence no-one disputes.

Given the multiple references throughout the Bible(OT&NT& and excluded texts) to Satan(literally, or to the devil archetype, figuratively), Satanists/Atheists will still claim the Bible itself as evidence that "the devil doesn't exist," because of the use of the word "Lucifer"(literally meaning "light bringer"), because of a mistranscribing, in which an anachronistic word was used in translating(probably just because the transcriber liked the word, not out of laziness or ignorance) a metaphorical reference to a "falling star"(the perennial rise and fall of Venus); stars were seen as metaphors for angels, and Venus was thought to be a star, and thus was used to represent the fall of the brightest star.

Ignominious Confederate General, and author of 'Morals and Dogma'(often considered the Masonic Bible, the author himself being a 33rd degree Mason, and having penned the book specifically for Masons) Albert Pike popularized the use of "Lucifer" as the name of Satan, by claiming (in his book) that Lucifer is the god of freemasonry. And, of course, Adam Weisshaupt's Illuminati (which infiltrated the Masonic lodges in the late 1700s) drew it's name from this metaphorical concept, as keepers of forbidden knowledge, light being a long standing metaphor for knowledge. Satan has been seen as the provider of forbidden knowledge to man, ever since he, in the metaphor of the Serpent, tricked Eve into eating the forbidden fruit of the Tree of Knowdge, back in Eden, at the very beginning of the Bible/Creation.

More recently, Bush41 referenced his desire to be a "point of light," and stated his desire to usher in a period of "a thousand points of light"; lest anyone think those were just throw away lines inserted by a rogue, occult-obsessed speech writer, "Poppy" Bush even named his foundation after the concept.

So, is the connection between stars representing agels, Venus's use as an ancient metaphor for a powerful fallen angel, the use of the word "Lucifer(bringer of light)," the use of light to represent knowledge, and the metaphor of the Serpent(a stand-in for Satan/the Adversary) as, one who brings forbidden knowledge to the innocent, all just a coincidence?

Not all knowledge profits us at all times; there are many things in this world and beyond that can be known; some knowledge represents wisdom, and some knowledge represents madness(anyone who has ever learned anything he wished he could unlearn knows exactly what this means). Any father wants his son to grow to be wise, but toward that end, do you teach your eight year old boy math, science, athletics, carpentry, mechanics, fishing, hunting, and fighting....or do you sit him down in front of a collection of sadomasochistic snuff porn? Is all knowledge equal? Is all knowledge good? Is some knowledge evil? If so, wasn't it forbidden to preserve innocence, and wouldn't those who disseminate knowledge which destroys innocence be corruptors of civilizations?

Wow. I was just thinking about the difference in useage between “Satan” and “the Satan” lol

 

[forcerecon01]

Wow. I was just thinking about the difference in useage between “Satan” and “the Satan” lol

yeah

 

[PeasantPlayer]

So is the masonic lodge according to older masons. Still a lot of masons involved in politics.

Islam have anti semitism views and ban all lodges from their countries. Saddam Hussein had the death penalty prescribed who promote Zionist principles.

Don't you watch Donald trump? Watch anything about what he says about Israel. and then watch the rabbis and Israel politics. They are going to build a third temple in Israel.

The quakes i mean earthquakes will happen and the people will be in the caves and will be hiding from the wrath of God. Second coming of Christ will be the destruction of this third temple.

Jewish pm has said we will have to wait and see if Jesus will return when he was asked. They are looking for another messiah and don't believe Jesus is God. Some Jews do believe is Jesus is God though.

Who isn't involved in politics? Christians, Muslims, atheists, catholics, freemasons

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Wow. I was just thinking about the difference in useage between “Satan” and “the Satan” lol

Ummmm the passage you are referring to is Isaiah 14:12 Venus was not an angel it just means day star/light bringer. The sun is a light bringer as well as a match or fire lol. The passage is referring to a king of Babylon Ben scahar, not a fallen angel. The world lucifer got conflated with Satan due to the heavily mistranslated King James Bible. There is historical documentation to verify this which I have posted. Even the top bible scholars know.

You apparently didn't read morals and dogma. In the beginning of the book pike stated the book is a book of comparative study. The lucifer quote is not even pikes own words. He borrowed that from French magician Eliphas Levi. The whole freemason worshipping lucifer thing was an invented documented hoax by Leo Taxil which is documented and you can find it for yourself. I did post it a few pages back. Leo taxil admitted he made it up.
Morals and dogma is just a personal musing of pike and his study of ancient texts and him philsophzining about what they mean

 

[PeasantPlayer]

This guy breaks it down nicely, great read researched and referenced with sources

Do Freemasons Really Worship Lucifer? The Truth...

So, a few days ago, I was asked, “Why do Freemasons worship Lucifer?” I answered and laid that claim in the dust. Not too long after posting the Answer, critics of Freemasonry flagged it as Spam, and Quora’s AI moderation deleted the answer. I found this in my notifications: I immediately appeal...

www.quora.com

 

[PeasantPlayer]

First paragraph of morals and dogma
In preparing this work, the Grand Commander has been about equally Author and Compiler ; since he has extracted quite half its contents from the works of the best writers and most philosophic or eloquent thinkers. Perhaps it would have been better and more acceptable, if he had extracted more and written less

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Most of the book is not his words just stuff he read researched, so he wrote a book going over what he researched

 

[PeasantPlayer]

The reality is that in Isa 14:12 the primary or initial reference of ‘morning star’ is not to the devil but to the Babylonian king. The footnote in the NET Bible here says, “What is the background for the imagery in vv. 12–15? This whole section (vv. 4b–21) is directed to the king of Babylon, who is clearly depicted as a human ruler. Other kings of the earth address him in vv. 9ff., he is called ‘the man’ in v. 16, and, according to vv. 19–20, he possesses a physical body.”

 

[PeasantPlayer]

I'm done though I'm not arguing with people and their imaginary friends, carry on and learn how to seduce women. Oh wait sex is satanic nevermind lol

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

The whole freemason worshipping lucifer thing was an invented documented hoax by Leo Taxil which is documented and you can find it for yourself.

So then when a free mason who was the leader of the lodge for a year explicitly tells they do the things they do for Satan, just blatantly like that, I should ignore what he says and listen to PeasantPlayer on SoSuave instead? Lol okay buddy

It’s devil-worship without realizing it’s devil-worship.

and then will say he isn't really Satan, though.

This is exactly the thing he doesn’t understand. They just reverse it. They consider God in the normal sense as Satan, and Satan in the normal sense as God. So of course they won’t say they worship the devil. It’s just reversed. Certain ones at the top know about it but won’t admit it lol

 

[PeasantPlayer]

So then when a free mason who was the leader of the lodge for a year explicitly tells they do the things they do for Satan, just blatantly like that, I should ignore what he says and listen to PeasantPlayer on SoSuave instead? Lol okay buddy

It’s devil-worship without realizing it’s devil-worship.

This is exactly the thing he doesn’t understand. They just reverse it. They consider God in the normal sense as Satan, and Satan in the normal sense as God. So of course they won’t say they worship the devil. It’s just reversed. Certain ones at the top know about it but won’t admit it lol

He never said worship the devil, that was written by Leo taxil. Which I linked in the previous pages. It's called the Taxil Hoax and he apologized for it. He also wrote satire against Catholics as well. I literally linked that again on this page. It's documented

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Taxil is also famous for what is known as the Taxil Hoax. The Hoax centered on Taxil’s fake conversion to the Roman Catholic religion after a long history of anti-clerical publications. After this conversion he began publishing materials accusing Freemasons of being in league with Satan by making up eyewitness accounts of their participation in satanic rituals. The amazing part is that this hoax went on for a little over ten years from the point where Taxil apparently underwent his “conversion” until he confessed on the front page of Le Frondeur, a Parisian newspaper, in 1897. Taxil later stated that he made up such grotesque accounts to mock the Freemasons, but to his surprise people took his outlandish and outrageous statements as truth.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

The Archetypal Lucifer - Part II | Masonic Articles

<p>The Lucifer-Satan archetype is partly personified by a glorification of the intellect. One manifestation of it is the worldview of philosophical materialism, or scientism: the belief that all that is real are the phenomena we can measure and study with science.</p>

www.universalfreemasonry.org

Denials of the obvious are obvious denials.

Where else does the Lucifer archetype manifest in humanity, both within and without, in culture and in self? From this point forward, I go beyond the factual, historical roots of Lucifer, and explore the concept more speculatively. Because Lucifer and Satan have been so conflated throughout history, I will refer to the merged concept as Lucifer-Satan. As always, this post is only the reflections of one mason, and does not represent the official views of Universal Co-Masonry.

This is 1 masons personal musing and he states it in the beginning of the article which is part 2. I've read that a long time ago and says nothing at all about worshipping lucifer or Satan. It's just his personal opinion. Freemasonry is not a religion, you just need a belief in God a higher power. Pike was not a leader of the freemasons.

It's a fraternity it has many different opinions

 

[PeasantPlayer]

No-one should infer anything from the author's "musings," right? SMH

The writer literally says he going beyond the known facts and speculating lol. He talks about chakras, Jesus being a light bearer etc lol

 

[PeasantPlayer]

The writer literally says he going beyond the known facts and speculating lol. He talks about chakras, Jesus being a light bearer etc lol

And of course you post part 2 of the article not part 1 lol figures

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Like I stated a bunch of old men philosophizing

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

He’s not reading our responses, he’s reading what he wants to read about our responses lol

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Lucifer is not Satan nor is the serpent smh