Just a quick reminder for all you Christians out here...

[mrgoodstuff]

I'm done I provided my sources, apparently you either not watching them or ignoring them. I'm way more intelligent than both of you to be going back and forth and this subject. If you don't believe people who have skin in the game, degrees in historical theology, have studied these texts in all their forms and learned different languages to read the texts in Hebrew and Latin and Greek and cross reference their research what can I do?

Fire discussion. Your words have a lot of depth and power, so I know you did your work.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Here is a passage from Platos book Timeaus, in it he talks about the Sun Moon and the 7 planets. He mentions the planet Hermes (Mercury) and then the 3rd farthest planet from the sun Lucifer (Venus)

The Internet Classics Archive | Timaeus by Plato

Timaeus by Plato, part of the Internet Classics Archive

classics.mit.edu

 

[PeasantPlayer]

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Was Plato a freemason to lollolol

 

[Spaz]

A Christian who not only believes in Jesus but whom has also experienced some spiritual awakening has no need to defend his faith, his God nor feel insulted by words of unbelievers.

Because you already know what is true and what jesus has done, could do, by himself, through you and others.

As such, it's okay if a man of no faith or of a different religion curses or belittle our God, we already know of his miracles, some has witnessed it 1st hand on others, some has experienced it themselves and there are some who has yet to witness nor experienced it, and yet have faith.

Not long ago, a member here said jesus was gay or promoted homosexuality, I was not angry, nor insulted or even mildy miffed, I however was highly amused by his antics because I already knew my religion.

I did challenged him back then to show some proof or even a passage, because there's so many gullible men here who would take up anything if something was repeated often enough. In the end nothing was forthcoming except more gibberish from that member.

He just wanted other members here to join his devil cult.

 

[Atom Smasher]

We are all born atheist before cultural conditioning

Actually, we are born with a proclivity to seek out God once we reach the age where we can comprehend that this unimaginably complex Universe screams out that there is a Creator. Cultural condition is what causes people to suppress their inner knowledge of God until their conscience becomes seared.

 

[Atom Smasher]

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

How do we interpret this lol

The word “evil” was often used in old English to mean “calamity” or “challenge”.
He isn’t saying that he creates or created evil itself. He is saying that he creates peace in people’s lives, and also troubling times, in order to accomplish his purposes.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

If you don't believe people who have skin in the game

This is exactly what you don’t understand. This is why they’ve taken the stance they have. It’s the new edgy thing to do because it runs counter to a lot of traditional scholarship.

But if we’re gonna go there, other Christians have ‘skin in the game’ too, if not more so. And these people are, dare I say, way more intelligent than you ever could be. You copy + paste others’ works instead of coming up with actual philosophical arguments. All you atheists are the same, I swear. You don’t think outside the box like you think you do. And I’m not gonna just listen to all 10 hours of whatever you’ve posted and dissect why each and every argument is flawed just for some brownie points. I could do that, but it’s not worth the brain power. Much like how you yourself never studied the Bible, but only read about arguments against it, without ever reading about arguments against those arguments lol

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Let's put this in perspective... No character in the Bible had a Bible lol

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Actually, we are born with a proclivity to seek out God once we reach the age where we can comprehend that this unimaginably complex Universe screams out that there is a Creator. Cultural condition is what causes people to suppress their inner knowledge of God until their conscience becomes seared.

Humans are naturally curious, but cultural dogma and indoctrination from family members, TV, community, friends paint us a picture of the universe and religion give us a lazy answer. Other cultures have completely different beliefs on life.

For example Jainism which is an atheistic branch of Hinduism, they don't even kill bugs. You know what that tells us off the bat? Humans don't need a Bible to have compassion. That's just one small sample. The aboriginals also have no concept of heaven or hell, nor do most Buddhist sects. The Pirihna tribe of Brazil I think are an ancient atheist tribe and I hope they keep it that way. There are hundreds if not more who have different philosophies, respect them

Religion stunts intellectual rational inquiry its a book for the simple minded for sure

 

[PeasantPlayer]

The Pirahã: People Who Define Happiness Without God: Daniel Everett

This speech, slightly edited for publication, was delivered by Daniel Everett at the Freedom From Religion Foundation’s 32nd annual convention on Nov. 7, 2009, in Seattle. Everett went from missionary

ffrf.org

Former Christian turned atheist after meeting this tribe, great read

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Here's one of the original 6 branches of Hinduism, it's argued and has evidence it was the original branch and it was atheistic, great read check it out

Samkhya - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Sāṃkhya is referred to by many as the oldest philosophical system of India. Some of Sāṃkhya’s key concepts are first mentioned in the earliest of the Vedas, however the reality of oral tradition in India suggests that Sāṃkhyan ideas are in fact much older than the Vedas in their written form.

Sāṃkhya is one of the six darśanas (darśana = “way of seeing,” “philosophy”) of Hinduism. Scholars debate that Sāṃkhya, as a system, was not codified until sometime prior to the composition of the Sāṃkhya-kārikā of Iśvarakṛṣṇa in 300-400 A.D. However, the basic elements of Sāṃkhya are found in almost all aspects of the Hindu tradition.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

The original branch of Hinduism was atheist until superstition took over. I'm here to educate and offer another perspective

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Ancient Egyptians were "atheistic"

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Let's put this in perspective... No character in the Bible had a Bible lol

Yeah they did. They just didn’t call it “the Bible” lol

The Bible wasn’t written all in sitting bro. And all it is, is the written rules and

@PeasantPlayer everything else you’ve posted draws conclusions from very weak correlations. How do you not see that? A door is a thing, and a car is also a thing. Does that mean they’re the same? Lol no.

For example Jainism which is an atheistic branch of Hinduism, they don't even kill bugs. You know what that tells us off the bat? Humans don't need a Bible to have compassion.

Jainism is watered-down Hinduism for Hindus who don’t believe in Hinduism but are still Hindu. They’re like Sufi Muslims and those happy go-lucky spiritual hippy types who say “God is whatever you want it to be, it doesn’t matter”, that’s it. It’s just Hinduism that got too much into the spiritual woowoo crap, like when overly spiritual Christians say that non-Christians can enter heaven even if they reject Jesus. Doesn’t mean they don’t believe in deities.

The Pirahã: People Who Define Happiness Without God: Daniel Everett

This speech, slightly edited for publication, was delivered by Daniel Everett at the Freedom From Religion Foundation’s 32nd annual convention on Nov. 7, 2009, in Seattle. Everett went from missionary

ffrf.org

Former Christian turned atheist after meeting this tribe, great read

And I know a Christian who turned Muslim, and a Muslim who became an atheist who became a Muslim again. Does that mean atheism is really Islam? Or Christianity is atheism that’s just Islam? Or perhaps a mix of both, somehow?

The original branch of Hinduism was atheist until superstition took over. I'm here to educate and offer another perspective

There are ideas that atheists happen to share, that doesn’t mean it’s atheistic. Hinduism was originally monotheistic before becoming pantheistic. Please stop with your nonsense.

Ancient Egyptians were "atheistic"

You’re trolling.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

The word “evil” was often used in old English to mean “calamity” or “challenge”.
He isn’t saying that he creates or created evil itself. He is saying that he creates peace in people’s lives, and also troubling times, in order to accomplish his purposes.

Lol so you claim evil used here means something different but won't claim lucifer the planet venus meant something different which I have proven anyway. Christians..... So dishonest hypocrites
So who told you that? Hmmmm

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Lol so you claim evil used here means something different but won't claim lucifer the planet venus meant something different which I have proven anyway. Christians..... So dishonest hypocrites
So who told you that? Hmmmm

Have you never read any of @ShePays posts? He **** on you like 5 different times at least regarding this very specific topic. You just ignored him and started posting videos instead lol

 

[Atom Smasher]

How do you know what I think or will or will not claim about Lucifer and the planet Venus? I never engaged you in that.

The word, "ra" in Hebrew is given a very wide latitude in definition. It can mean "adversity", "challenge", "evil", "unhappiness", and a host of other things. You are choosing the English word, "evil", as did the King James translators. Incidentally, in their letter to the reader, they wrote that language is going to change and that it is very important that words be updated as the language evolves. They also stated that their translation was not divinely inspired.

Guys, I'm going to have to shut the lights on this thread soon. We're not supposed to allow any religious threads here, but we usually let them go for a little while as they tend to start off civilly and go well for a few days until someone comes swooping in with an agenda.

It's getting to be that time. If anyone has anything else to post, speak now or forever hold your peace.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

It might help if you applied some reason, to give your argument form.

You appear to be arguing that the devil doesn't exist, because the concept only exists within Christianity. I'll ignore, for the moment, that that's easily provably untrue, and focus instead on the structure of your argument.

Does the "fact" that a concept appears in only one source disprove the concept? You wanna rethink that? Likewise, Israel, a monotheistic kingdom, was destroyed by a polytheistic empire. Was your argument that polytheism was somehow superior to monotheism, because polytheists are "noble savages," while monotheists are bloodthirsty conquistadors? How simplistic, for such a well-educated, deep thinker.

I assume, by "the Hebrew Bible,'' you're referring to the books of the Christian Bible written in Hebrew? Or, are you referring just to the Torah/Pentateuch(Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy)? There are 39(KJV)-46(Vulgate) Hebrew books in the OT of the Christian Bible, in which there are ample references to the devil archetype, from Genesis onward.

By the way, I studied religion in college, as well as independently, so I suppose I'm technically a "religious scholar," and I'm at least as quotable as any of the sources you referenced...if not more-so...definitely more-so.

You studies religion in college good for you, but have you had access to ancient texts and digs at archeological sites, etymology and other texts that didn't make the canonized Bible? Nothing you say has merit its mostly conspiracy minded crap. The word lucifer was used in Isaiah to mock the king of Babylon. The original word was heyly, which means to shine bright. When translated to Latin Jerome put lucifer which was the brightest planet in the sky before the sun set.

I could care what freemasons "worship" I know many freemasons and they barely have time to meet up every week let alone work, take care of their families and try and start fundraisers.

I clearly stated lucifer is not Satan. At most its a title. The Hebrew Bible has no concept of Satan as an evil anthromorphic entity. It was just the inclination of man doing evil. Jerome was translating the Bible from Greek to Latin, so I guess you were not a Bible Scholar huh? You said from Hebrew to Latin. Jerome found the best word he thought which would fit the bright part. Pertaining to culture it was venus (lucifer). That has nothing at all to do with the devil. Even Christian scholars know this because they have all the pieces to back it up. It was confirmed in 2013 on a dig. Roy B Blizzard is not an atheist and he goes on digs and has studied texts you never seen or heard of.

In revelations Jesus called himself the bright and morning star 22:16. That's the definition of venus (lucifer)