John Titor: Fraud or Time Traveler?

[victor von doom]

Originally posted by Shiftkey
You are absolutely correct victor von doom. JT hasn't been proven either way. My point was a counter argument to what MVPlaya said, which is why I said "Reply to MVPlaya." I wasn't trying to prove JT's story is real.

I just found it funny that JT never posted on "mainstream" chatrooms but rather started on ones devoted to paranormal and government conspiracy / X-Files kooks. Of course they would eat shyt like this up, and blossom it into the ridiculous "internet legend" it is today.

 

[MVPlaya]

Originally posted by Shiftkey
Reply to MVPlaya...

http://www.anomalies.net/cgi-bin/bbs/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=000772

This has been pretty hashed out. You're going to have a hard time proving Titor a fraud when time travel fanatics haven't been able to do so in over 2 years.

Another interesting thread on the subject

http://www.anomalies.net/cgi-bin/bbs/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=000754

C'mon, some guy gets on an anonymous forum, claims to come from the future, makes a few vague statements, and people start believing him. Puh-lease!!! And TimeTravel? Give me a break!!! If you study a little theoretical physics you'd note that using a wormhole for Time Travel requires negative energy or temperatures of over 1 trillion degrees Celsius, at that heat no material can stay solid and its a known fact that negative energy attracts positive energy immediately, its a simple space fabric known. Therefore, after galvanizing negative energy you need to take it out of space fabric or utilize it before it is cancelled out and you can't use energy to propel energy, especially since the only energy at our disposal is positive and would cancel out the negative and you can't consume it because the energy would have to go to a localized place unless you had trillions of microscopic string size reactors. Furthermore, if you defied the laws of physics and managed to pull it off the positive energy would destroy whatever machine you made. To add to that, each individual atom has a 25% chance of succesfully travelling in wormhole teleportation scenarios. Granted this is a newly developing field but this guy is full of sh!t. Furthermore, do any of you people know how HUGE 2.5% is??? When he says our worldline/universe/galaxy/dimension is 2.5% different that would mean our planet would have almost no similarity. In space time continuum 2.5% is a change larger than you can imagine. That number was a cute little statistic to fabricate by JANITOR (JOHN TITOR) but it was way of the mark for our "worldlines" to have any similarity. And the sad thing is, if you believe stupid shyt like this when 2006 rolls around and no revolution you'll just say "oh, 2.5% divergence, our worldline differs." People believe what they want to believe. Anyway, John Titor: NeXt!

 

[Shiftkey]

Thoughts and theories on physics have changed throughout history. No one knows everything about science.

Regarding the 2.5% difference, that would mean we are 97.5% the same as his worldline. JT said all the framework for the civil war and WW3 is in place. All the major events that lead to it in his worldline have happened in ours.

 

[il_duce]

I can't believe so many of you buy into that John Titor bull****.

Sure, what he claims will happen is possible, but highly HIGHLY unlikely.

 

[victor von doom]

Originally posted by Shiftkey

Call me crazy, but I think history is repeating itself, whether Titor's story is true or not.

You're crazy, and in dire need of a good history class.

 

[victor von doom]

Originally posted by Shiftkey
Thoughts and theories on physics have changed throughout history. No one knows everything about science.

Regarding the 2.5% difference, that would mean we are 97.5% the same as his worldline. JT said all the framework for the civil war and WW3 is in place. All the major events that lead to it in his worldline have happened in ours.

That's because he's living in our "worldline" as we speak, laughing his a$$ off at his powers of mass manipulation - seeing all the paranoids he's suckered in with his little "ruse."

 

[Shiftkey]

That's because he's living in our "worldline" as we speak, laughing his a$$ off at his powers of mass manipulation - seeing all the paranoids he's suckered in with his little "ruse."

Possible, but given current events this is less likely IMO. Keep in mind that his predictions were made several months before 9/11. Alot of what he said seem like common sense today that anyone could predict. Not so before 9/11.

 

[Shiftkey]

You're crazy, and in dire need of a good history class.

So give me a history lesson. Where am I incorrect in my account of history? I'll admit I could be incorrect with what I say, so prove my ignorance so I can learn from it. Instead of attacking me with personal insults (a sign that you've lost the debate), try attacking my argument.

 

[il_duce]

First of all, don't compare Bush to Hitler unless we start moving Muslims/Arabs into prison camps. And I'm not talking about that prison camp in Cuba. The people there are suspected terrorists from foreign countries, not innocent Muslims/Arabs living in the U.S.

That's my .02$

 

[victor von doom]

Originally posted by Shiftkey
So give me a history lesson. Where am I incorrect in my account of history? I'll admit I could be incorrect with what I say, so prove my ignorance so I can learn from it. Instead of attacking me with personal insults (a sign that you've lost the debate), try attacking my argument.

I didn't insult you. You asked a rhetorical question if you were crazy. I merely answered it. We haven't started to debate, so how can I lose one?

Besides, what's the fukking point?

As soon as I chime in - the **** is going to hit the fan because the thread is going to get too political (since you are an obvious Bush-whacker and I am not) and the thread is going to get locked by Allen and his lackeys. It's a waste of time. In the end, I'm only going to end up getting pissed at the bvllshyt, arbitrary censorship. Not worth the aggravation.

Let's just say your flawed analogy is a gross misinterpretation of history.

Comfort yourself with your delusions about Bush, dude, you're stuck with him til 2008.

 

[Shiftkey]

So send me a PM.

 

[victor von doom]

Originally posted by Shiftkey
Possible, but given current events this is less likely IMO. Keep in mind that his predictions were made several months before 9/11. Alot of what he said seem like common sense today that anyone could predict. Not so before 9/11.

Dude, you're trying way too hard to convince yourself that this guy is legit. Look at it rationally, bro.. it's a big, fukked up joke.

 

[HBK]

Is that a Delorean?

 

[MVPlaya]

Originally posted by Shiftkey
Thoughts and theories on physics have changed throughout history. No one knows everything about science.

Regarding the 2.5% difference, that would mean we are 97.5% the same as his worldline. JT said all the framework for the civil war and WW3 is in place. All the major events that lead to it in his worldline have happened in ours.

First of all, I assume that by Worldline he means Dimension, because I can't imagine his world being in the same universe as ours. Now, our galaxy is less than one trillionth of the universe, how big is 2.5% now buddy? He's telling me this difference in "our universes" is so huge as to be 2.5% but the most differences it makes with our world is small differences in world events? The unlikelyness of this scenario is ridiculous. Second of all, antimatter theorems, quantum physics, and string theory physics are newly developing fields, but already we have a set of knowns that go with little dispute.

Originally posted by Shiftkey
Possible, but given current events this is less likely IMO. Keep in mind that his predictions were made several months before 9/11. Alot of what he said seem like common sense today that anyone could predict. Not so before 9/11.

Give me the EXACT quotes he made and the date. A lot of stuff that has happened has been predicted a long time ago and I sure as hell don't believe that this guy was in any intelligent way referring to Sept. 11. Damn, if you believe this crap you believe Nostradamus too. JT is full of shi'ite. But then, you believe what you want to believe.

 

[Jvesti]

lmao ya
Time Travelers go on anonymous forums all the time I mean wouldn't you if you came back in time?

Im seriousely thinking about pulling this hoax myself

 

[MVPlaya]

Originally posted by DirkPitt
the govt probably made a little secret inquiry about it

Mr. President!

Yes Cheney?

We have a man on an anonymous online forum who claims to come from the future. Should we spend unneeded taxdollars on a juvenile prank when we have over 300 national security threats reported every day?

 

[Nicholas Hill]

Guys, claims must be backed up with SOURCES to make a good argument.

For example: John is likely to be wrong if there are no or very limited sources. Can anyone PROVE that the "articles" from him were ACTUALLY written at the time claimed? Were his claims really made at such and such a date or soon after?

To prove him wrong, find something contradictory (proof by contradiction in scientific terms) and to prove him right, confirm he has a near perfect track record by strict interpretation. Avoid arguing with his vague comments.

About sept 11, consider this: Do you really think there won't be a a major event of ANY sort within the next year? Every year, something significant surely happens somewhere in the world - war starts, famine ends, balloons burst and people get splinters. By this reasoning, its definetly possible to say that "america will be attacked in such and such a year or in such and such a decade". The rest is left to interpretation. If Sept 11 didn't happen, how could it have been interpreted? By Saddaam's threats? The rising up of Hells' Angels? North Korea? A cat?

Even in the BIBLE it says that false prophets will come and deceive many.

Take on the ideals of a debunking website such as www.snopes.com and start using several sources for each claim not linked to each other.

Nick

 

[MysteryWoman]

He is so vague, he is a big con artist who has probably read the 48 Laws of Power. I mean so many people believe in Clairvoyants. I think someone asked him if he had photos of the future and his family for proof, and he replied why would you want to see pictures of my family. Not that I will go in to the future and remember to bring them back next time.

 

[Shiftkey]

MysteryWoman, photos wouldn't be proof. How WOULD pictures of his family prove anything? He did give pictures of his supposid time machine, even a picture of it in action. But those aren't proof either because they can easily be forged in photoshop.

Pictures

Nickolas, most of his original postings were destroyed because the original site he posted on went down, and the files from other places he posted were deleted because they were old and seemed like little importance at the time. However I have done some digging recently and found a few of his original posts. I'll put those up later when I have time to find them again. For now you can read a copy of one of the chat logs he wrote in.

Chat log

MVPlaya, I'll put up the specific prediction quotes I've noticed that have come true, soon, when I have time. But they're all at www.johntitor.com if you want to read through it yourself. There's some interesting links too. Entertaining even if you don't believe it.

 

[MVPlaya]

Entertaining yes. But other than that?

Anyway, is this the one about the guy who travels from the future/outer space to find a device/cure to save his perfect-English-speaking planet? I think I've watched this one before.