It's time to start playing the game like a woman

[STR8UP]

Str8up I know exactly where you are coming from. You're seeing it's almost impossible to be a stand up guy of integrity in a world full of phonies and people with no integrity. However, Joekerr has a point, despite knowing the score you do seem to have a lot of conflict with you're own values in going in for the "kill". I mean wouldn't you admit you have to take action one way or the other once you decide? Or maybe I'm rading too much into it.

I know most people wouldn't think twice about getting what they want out of the deal, but honestly, I have the potential to alter the course of this girl's life, and I REALIZE it, almost from a third person perspective, because I am fascinated by all of this stuff, so I ponder it quite often.

So here's the deal. All I have to do is give this chick a glimmer of hope that she might be able to "be with me" one day, and she would do whatever is in her power to secure acceptance into a school here in town. That is already her tentative plan. She already told me that part of the reason she changed her life (moved up north to go to school, slowed down on the partying, lost some weight) was because of ME.

I know it sounds conceited, but she is really that into me, so I have the potential to have a PROFOUND impact on her life. I can influence her decision to move here, I can get her to break up with her man, I could be married to this chick within six months, no joke.

But how far can I go when all i want is a little fun? That's where I'm stuck.

I am not going to lead her on with any false pretenses to get her to move here or to break up with her man. With my level of consciousness regarding this situation I couldn't do that and still sleep at night. BUT....if she moves here I'm not going to hesitate to fukk her. I made it pretty clear that's what would happen if we hang out, and as long as I'm not telling her I want to be with her for the rest of my life she's a big girl and I'm not gonna let some fun pass me by if she's aware of what's going on.

 

[STR8UP]

To me a quality woman is just a woman who is strongly interested and attracted to a particular guy for a finite time. Emphasis on finite.

BINGO.

Hence, my other thread. A "quality" woman is the by-product of a real Man. She will be loyal and faithful to the extent that you are able to fulfill this role in her eyes.

I'm not going to go looking for my future wife at a homeless shelter, but at the same time I'm not gonna look for her in a church, and I won't RULE OUT any other meeting place (including a bar **GASP**).

 

[reset]

Let'a face it, the ONLY REASON guys DON"T do this, and the majority DON"T...is because they feel they are worth less,and what they have has less VALUE than A WOMAN!!!!

Yes and guilty as charged in the past. Seems like most of the problems come from scarcity or pedestal type thinking. If a man 100% believed in himself and his own intrinsic value, I believe a majority of these problems wouldn't even come to the point where they are "problems".

We have to come to some conclusions from all the discussion and pondering. The overall theme, from tons of other guys and from our own personal experiences, is that women are attracted to men who do not give a fvck about losing a girl. They may not really WANT to end the interaction, but if it's not meeting your OWN needs, what's the point? At that point it almost comes off as self-abuse. You are deliberately harming yourself by staying in situations that hurt, and that aren't win/win. If it's all going to be win/win you can't have win/lose.

If you put the woman above you, and lower yourself in your own mind, all your interactions will come from a place of supplication, even if you aren't consciously aware of it.

If the "goal" is to be a self-realized man, a mature masculine man, who sets his own frame and creates his own reality, then you have to actually operate in that framework to get the benefit. You have to actually do it and be that way. And the degree it's difficult to own your own reality is to the degree that you doubt your own ability to maintain that reality.

<end ramble>.

 

[jophil28]

IF you feel that you have VALUES, like resources of time, money, affection, peace of mind, financial, housing, emotional, family, frineds, activities, spirituality and on and on..
wouldn't YOU be SAFEGUARDING them from thieves and phonies???


And WOMEN HATE that guy!

Great insight Interceptor !
And women do hate that GUY after they use him and drain him of the resources that he has willingly sacrificed to HER.

 

[jophil28]

It's my opinion that women raised by single moms are often crippled by not seeing an example of a good paternal figure and of her mom cleaving to him. She grows up seeing her mother trying to get a series of more or less unsuitable guys by a variety of means and ends up following her example, having seen only the hunt and never the demonstration of the stable outcome.

It's not just young men that need a dad.

This is exactly my observation.

 

[Adam007]

Hook up is always my top priority, this is good to play some game there. Allow me to join with you....

 

[MacAvoy]

I might have been able to shake the AFC out of me quite a while ago, but i never gave up being a "nice" person.

When it comes to women & sex, I lie, steal, cheat, whatever. That doesn't make me a bad person. If you asked anybody, they would tell you I'm one of the nicest guys around. I'll do anything for a friend, I treat those around me with respect. Now when I cheat etc.... I don't go flaunting it. What they don't know, won't hurt them, now if your dumb enough to get caught, you deserve to sleep in the bed you made.

I've never been caught. More importantly, don't let it define who you are. If you like sex, go out and get it, quit having this big moral (AFC) debate in your head. Now I"m not calling you AFC but this debate in your head is.

My family knows that I like women and lots of them but they also see a great guy who treats everyone with respect and who they see everybody like him. I don't have one enemy, I'm the guy everybody likes. Its all about how you conduct yourself. That being said, if you cross me, be prepared for hell.

 

[STR8UP]

If you like sex, go out and get it, quit having this big moral (AFC) debate in your head. Now I"m not calling you AFC but this debate in your head is.

Please explain to me how this is "AFC"?

My definition of AFC has nothing to do with a moral dilemma.

An AFC is the opposite of a Real Man. Real men sometimes question their definition of morality.

I don't see the association.

 

[DavenJuan]

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[joekerr31]

Please explain to me how this is "AFC"?

My definition of AFC has nothing to do with a moral dilemma.

An AFC is the opposite of a Real Man. Real men sometimes question their definition of morality.

I don't see the association.

you've been questioning it for years now

time to make up your mind. dark side of the force or the light side of the force.

 

[mrRuckus]

I am not going to lead her on with any false pretenses to get her to move here or to break up with her man. With my level of consciousness regarding this situation I couldn't do that and still sleep at night. BUT

WHY do you care? You think they're all trash anyway! Since when do you care about the feelings of trash? Hey, you burger king wrapper, i'm sorry you're being blown through the alley.

 

[joekerr31]

Hey, you burger king wrapper, i'm sorry you're being blown through the alley.

hahaha. i know this is a bit of an argumentative statement, but damn it made me laugh.

:crackup:

 

[Luveno]

It's time to start taking back cause I've been giving for way too long.

Life owes you nothing.

 

[STR8UP]

WHY do you care? You think they're all trash anyway! Since when do you care about the feelings of trash?

I think all women are trash?

Quote me.

 

[penkitten]

I think all women are trash?

Quote me.

i think he meant the ones you have been seeing that you have talked about.

 

[ketostix]

I think all women are trash?

Quote me.

It's kind of ironic. Usually it's everyone else saying you hang out with "trash" girls lol.

 

[joekerr31]

Life owes you nothing.

an analogy i've often used is that life is like standing in a huge line. i mean, its a long f*cking line up - it will take weeks to get to the front.

some people get annoyed and start fighting with each other. some people decide to entertain people to pass the time. others work on cross word puzzles. some people just play their gameboy. etc.

and at the end of the line you walk up on to a stage and they put a noose around your neck, pull a lever, and CRACK, you're dead.

that's life my friends.

the only thing life 'owes' you, and the only thing you can be sure it will provide you with, is death.

but, its not all that bad. because life lets you do whatever you want to do between now and the front of the line.

so do your best to enjoy life because you never know when suddenly you will find yourself at the front of the line.

so far the best methods for passing hte time seem to be

- find something to believe in (god, buddah, etc.)
- find a hobby you like
- find a woman to screw
- make some money so you can affort your hobbies and women to screw
- exercise
- travel around

there you go. do that stuff until you find yourself at the front of the line

but whatever you do, don't be one of those people who stands in line complaining the whole time about how the line sucks and how everyone in the line sucks, etc.

those people are the worst, because when they get to the front of hte line they beg that they be let to go to the back of the line. suddenly they realize all they did was complain their life away and then it was over.

 

[STR8UP]

i think he meant the ones you have been seeing that you have talked about.

I don't think that's what he meant.

I'm the first person to DEFEND women. "They know not what they do"...lol

Actually, I know it's all "nature" playing itself out, it just sucks to have been brought up RIGHT just to realize one day that maybe you shouldn't have taken your parents so literally.

It seems that this "Do unto others" crap is a bit overrated.

And everyone will hear me say that and want to b!tch slap me, but it's kinda like porn. It's a huge HUGE industry, and SOMEONE is spending money on it, yet nobody seems to want to own up to it. Everyone is going around lying, cheating, and stealing, and somehow justifying it to the point where they don't even think they are doing anything wrong. Ok, fine, not EVERYONE is a dirty rotten scoundrel, but it happens more often than anyone would like.

I mean, how can you spend two great years with a girl, just to have her get pissed at something right before you go out of town, CHEAT on you while you are gone, then tell you, "Oh, I just ASSUMED it was over between us".

Funny, I didn't get that memo.

Or your best friend from high school that you played little league baseball with, who helped you get your first job, who you rode the bus home from school with because he lived right across the street from you, WHO TOLD YOU IF ANYTHING EVER HAPPENED TO HIM HE WANTED YOU TO MAKE SURE HIS KIDS WERE TAKEN CARE OF...... when a guy like THAT can somehow find a way to justify stealing $100k+ from you....well.....you get the picture.

I'm not saying I'm going to start robbing people or even cheating on girls i am exclusive with. All I'm saying is that if I want to stop feeling as if I give, give, give, and others take, take, take, I'm gonna have to relax my code a bit.

 

[wjh]

an analogy i've often used is that life is like standing in a huge line. i mean, its a long f*cking line up - it will take weeks to get to the front.

some people get annoyed and start fighting with each other. some people decide to entertain people to pass the time. others work on cross word puzzles. some people just play their gameboy. etc.

and at the end of the line you walk up on to a stage and they put a noose around your neck, pull a lever, and CRACK, you're dead.

that's life my friends.

the only thing life 'owes' you, and the only thing you can be sure it will provide you with, is death.

but, its not all that bad. because life lets you do whatever you want to do between now and the front of the line.

so do your best to enjoy life because you never know when suddenly you will find yourself at the front of the line.

so far the best methods for passing hte time seem to be

- find something to believe in (god, buddah, etc.)
- find a hobby you like
- find a woman to screw
- make some money so you can affort your hobbies and women to screw
- exercise
- travel around

there you go. do that stuff until you find yourself at the front of the line

but whatever you do, don't be one of those people who stands in line complaining the whole time about how the line sucks and how everyone in the line sucks, etc.

those people are the worst, because when they get to the front of hte line they beg that they be let to go to the back of the line. suddenly they realize all they did was complain their life away and then it was over.

awesome post!

 

[joekerr31]

it just sucks to have been brought up RIGHT just to realize one day that maybe you shouldn't have taken your parents so literally.

It seems that this "Do unto others" crap is a bit overrated.

And everyone will hear me say that and want to b!tch slap me, but it's kinda like porn. It's a huge HUGE industry, and SOMEONE is spending money on it, yet nobody seems to want to own up to it.

I mean, how can you spend two great years with a girl, just to have her get pissed at something right before you go out of town, CHEAT on you while you are gone, then tell you, "Oh, I just ASSUMED it was over between us".

Funny, I didn't get that memo.

Or your best friend from high school that you played little league baseball with, who helped you get your first job, who you rode the bus home from school with because he lived right across the street from you, WHO TOLD YOU IF ANYTHING EVER HAPPENED TO HIM HE WANTED YOU TO MAKE SURE HIS KIDS WERE TAKEN CARE OF...... when a guy like THAT can somehow find a way to justify stealing $100k+ from you....well.....you get the picture.

I'm not saying I'm going to start robbing people or even cheating on girls i am exclusive with. All I'm saying is that if I want to stop feeling as if I give, give, give, and others take, take, take, I'm gonna have to relax my code a bit.

1) doesn't sound to me like your parents raised you wrong, it sounds to me like you simply don't agree with how they raised you. big difference.

2) you choose a career wherein you are surrounded by the materialism of our society and a lot of bimbos, did your parents make you do that also?

3) not really sure why you are linking porn to something bad - as though people who watch porn are somehow doing something dirty. your analogy is like saying 'we all masturbate and yet no one really talks about it. why dont people own up to it.' ummmm.... because its private?

4) so 2 people have screwed you over and now the other 6 billion are tossed into the same pool.

5) never give expecting something in return. you should give because you want to help someone out. if they turn around and screw you, then you should stop giving.

6) stop blaming the external world for how you feel. we all live in the same world you do. you think you've been screwed over... well if i told you my stories from growing up i'm sure you'd look at your fate as not so bad. and even my past pales in comparison to the fate of many others. and yet, the rest of us are able to MOVE PAST IT and embrace a positive way of living. how come you can't? i'll tell you why, because you don't want to.

time to pick a side str8up. light side or dark side of the force. you can't spend the rest of your life in the middle constantly trying to figure out which side to take.

who are YOU?