It's time to start playing the game like a woman

[bigjohnson]

It's my opinion that women raised by single moms are often crippled by not seeing an example of a good paternal figure and of her mom cleaving to him. She grows up seeing her mother trying to get a series of more or less unsuitable guys by a variety of means and ends up following her example, having seen only the hunt and never the demonstration of the stable outcome.

It's not just young men that need a dad.

 

[STR8UP]

str8up, if you could just find a woman that you could settle in to a routine normal relationship with you wouldn't be wasting your time worrying about whether you should bang some 22 year old who is engaged to be married.

Well, until Ms. Right comes around I'm gonna have fun with Ms. Wrong, should the opportunity arise.

for all the tough talk i hear on here of 'hey, if she'll give it up you're actually doing the guy a favor by screwing her' - i think its all bs. its the actions of men who have nothing else on the go.

I don't care if i had half a dozen plates spinning....I would still be saying the same thing, cause it's effortless on my part.

but think about the woman who sleeps with a married man that she knows is married. what do you think of her?

I think that could be just about ANY woman at some point or another, if the guy pushes the right buttons. Actually, you think being married REPELS women? If anything it makes a lot of women MORE attracted, for numerous reasons.

 

[STR8UP]

Oh come on you two. It's some free pvssy. wtf is the big deal? Fvck her and don't fall in love with her. The only woman who loves you is your momma, remember str8up? Don't forget your own advice; it's too good.

Not that I wish this on anyone, but after your wife has cheated on you, then cheating with another guy's girl seems like much less of a big deal. Value judgements are a waste of time; there are always two sides to the story, but you usually only hear one. One of my GFs cheated on her husband with another married guy. That makes her sound like a wh0re. But her husband went over a year without having sex with her before that. That makes him sound neglectful at the least. But after they divorced he confessed that he was molested repeatedly by his uncle as a child. Fvck, now whom do we blame? That uncle was probably molested himself. Do you see how blame is a waste of time? People cheat, sh!t happens. Don't get hung up on the morals of it.

It's great that some people see things the way I do from time to time.

I just find it funny that a guy who advocates the same stuff I do has the word "Bible" in his name....lol

 

[STR8UP]

You are once again putting too much weight on some chick who has ALREADY disqualified herself as LTR material, or someone you should take seriously. Screw her and her "long term" needs and views and opinions. Who gives a fck? OH... ONLY STR8UP seems to care.

I also think you are the biggest AFC in the world, simply cuz I thought a real man rule was any chick in his bed... well you get the point. You aren't a 12 year old girl! Why you havin sleep overs???

A NEARLY NAKED chick in bed with you? And you don't HIT IT?

STR8UP... this sounds gay.

Call me gay, call me AFC, call me whatever, I intended to throw down until I noticed two things.

First thing I noticed was that she was on the rag. She didn't TELL me this, but I saw her pull something that looked like a cigar in a white wrapper out of her purse when she went to the bathroom. I doubt it was a cigar.

Secondly, when she started asking my opinion of her engagement, I could see was very excited over the prospect of getting married.

To be honest....i might have had sex with her had I not known she was on her period, but really, what was the use in trying once I knew that? Her glowing over her "marriage" plans was the icing on the cake.

I'm not stupid. I know she wouldn't have been in my bed half naked if she weren't at least prepared to "mess around". I even called her on it, and she didn't deny it.

I already pretty much spelled out the fact that if we do hang out again, were gonna be getting naked. Regardless of what happens I'm not gonna become an intimacy surrogate or a cuddle b!tch, no way.

 

[STR8UP]

Its not about the worman, though. Its about how a man will act. Just because something is available, you don't have to indulge.

You have to stay true to your own morals. If you think you should not get involved with somebody, for any reason, DON'T DO IT.

I agree. I don't HAVE to partake in this, but why not? She's hot. She's young. She's ready to go. It's a no brainer.

 

[STR8UP]

I don't care how smart she is or how well educated or whatever, she's a whôre.


That's my attitude toward most women.

Mine too.

I still think the majority of men (even guys on this site) have their heads buried in the sand thinking that there are a bunch of attractive, "good" girls running around.

Someone else said it best in another thread. Basically, the difference between the "good" ones and the rest is that they go to church once a week and they know how to cover up their actions better.

 

[iqqi]

Call me gay, call me AFC, call me whatever, I intended to throw down until I noticed two things.

First thing I noticed was that she was on the rag. She didn't TELL me this, but I saw her pull something that looked like a cigar in a white wrapper out of her purse when she went to the bathroom. I doubt it was a cigar.

Secondly, when she started asking my opinion of her engagement, I could see was very excited over the prospect of getting married.

To be honest....i might have had sex with her had I not known she was on her period, but really, what was the use in trying once I knew that? Her glowing over her "marriage" plans was the icing on the cake.

I'm not stupid. I know she wouldn't have been in my bed half naked if she weren't at least prepared to "mess around". I even called her on it, and she didn't deny it.

I already pretty much spelled out the fact that if we do hang out again, were gonna be getting naked. Regardless of what happens I'm not gonna become an intimacy surrogate or a cuddle b!tch, no way.

Then I think you are delusional. You are this chicks emotional tampon/emotional surrogate.

She has no intention of taking YOU seriously.

 

[STR8UP]

STR8uP , can you understand why the guys here think that you associate with skanks,hors and low value people ?

See, that's the difference between your camp and my camp. You automatically assume that this woman is a low value person. I think she is TYPICAL.

I firmly believe that any woman has the potential to cheat, branch swing, you name it, all it takes is the right guy to push the right buttons at the right time. What if she has never cheated in her life, and I just so happened to be "that guy" who was able to trigger the right emotions? I'm not claiming this is true, but it's food for thought.

If you have read up on any of the PUA's stuff you would know that they share the same sentiment. They KNOW that although they will never be able to game EVERY woman, that ANY woman CAN be gamed. Married, b/f, single, whatever. All you gotta do is push the right buttons.

So no, I don't buy it. I have posted about strippers because I do business with a couple of strip clubs, but i have never messed with any of the girls (not saying i wouldn't though). I have posted about experiences I have had with some "other" folks I know, but i don't tend to spend much time around them. My real friends who i spend the majority of my time with are as normal as they come, I can assure you. But I know I'm wasting my breath, so....

 

[joekerr31]

Then I think you are delusional. You are this chicks emotional tampon/emotional surrogate.

She has no intention of taking YOU seriously.

str8ups problem is that he keeps trying to convince himself to be a dawg.

i mean, this has reached the point of absurdity. if str8up really honestly and with 100% convinction believes the things he has been saying for months now, then he would act on those convinctions.

if he feels that all women are basically manipulative AWs incapable of being honest, trust worthy and committed - then he should interact with the world under those pretenses. he should be a dawg and just grab as much p*ssy as he can get from whereever he can get it.

what baffles me is why he continues to be in a state of internal conflict over all this. its like he doesn't want to believe the things he is saying and as such doesn't know what the hell to do. if he truly believed these things i fail to understand why he would not simply bed all these women who seem to be orbiting in his life.

its one thing to argue the points he is making on sosuave - because one can postulate that he is trying to enlighten his fellow man. but what doesnt make sense is how he is living his life given the beliefs he has about women. it makes no sense to sleeping in a bed with a woman, saying he could have her if he wanted her, and then not banging her.

i COULD understand that to some degree if he was looking for a mature genuine relationship and didn't feel such a woman could give that to him. but since he doesn't seem to feel that is possible with today's woman, i dont understand why he would waste any time on women other than to bang them.

 

[STR8UP]

It goes back to the question:is there really such a thing as a quality woman or is it really just a question of how attracted, therefore faithful, a girl is in a particular guy. Don't virtually all women branch swing and move on to another guy and maybe even back to a former BF (in this case) when it suits them?

That's what so many people just don't see.

There aren't two distinct groups of women in the world. I posted something about this before, but you might have 10% that are utter trash, 2% who are mother Theresa (and how many of these are physically attractive?), then you have the other 88+%, the vast, VAST majority of women who operate on a sliding scale where their morals are "subject to change without notice".

 

[joekerr31]

That's what so many people just don't see.

There aren't two distinct groups of women in the world. I posted something about this before, but you might have 10% that are utter trash, 2% who are mother Theresa (and how many of these are physically attractive?), then you have the other 88+%, the vast, VAST majority of women who operate on a sliding scale where their morals are "subject to change without notice".

if you believe this is true then why are you turnind down all the p*ssy that seems to be orbiting in your life?!

i just don't get it.

i would turn down a woman if she doesn't meet my standards. because i know there are women out there who do.

but since 98% of women operate on a sliding scale of morality in your world, i fail to understand what you are waiting for? i would think given such perpsective the logical course of action would be to say 'ah, f*ck waiting for the right one, i'll just take miss right now."

 

[STR8UP]

Then I think you are delusional. You are this chicks emotional tampon/emotional surrogate.

She has no intention of taking YOU seriously.

I could change the course of this girl's life with one phone call. All I would have to say is "Let's give it a chance". She would move in with me tomorrow if I asked her to.

I am nowhere near the place you speak of.

 

[iqqi]

I could change the course of this girl's life with one phone call. All I would have to say is "Let's give it a chance". She would move in with me tomorrow if I asked her to.

I am nowhere near the place you speak of.

Well, STR8UP, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU, homie.

But I believe YOU believe you.

 

[iqqi]

str8ups problem is that he keeps trying to convince himself to be a dawg.

i mean, this has reached the point of absurdity. if str8up really honestly and with 100% convinction believes the things he has been saying for months now, then he would act on those convinctions.

if he feels that all women are basically manipulative AWs incapable of being honest, trust worthy and committed - then he should interact with the world under those pretenses. he should be a dawg and just grab as much p*ssy as he can get from whereever he can get it.

what baffles me is why he continues to be in a state of internal conflict over all this. its like he doesn't want to believe the things he is saying and as such doesn't know what the hell to do. if he truly believed these things i fail to understand why he would not simply bed all these women who seem to be orbiting in his life.

its one thing to argue the points he is making on sosuave - because one can postulate that he is trying to enlighten his fellow man. but what doesnt make sense is how he is living his life given the beliefs he has about women. it makes no sense to sleeping in a bed with a woman, saying he could have her if he wanted her, and then not banging her.

i COULD understand that to some degree if he was looking for a mature genuine relationship and didn't feel such a woman could give that to him. but since he doesn't seem to feel that is possible with today's woman, i dont understand why he would waste any time on women other than to bang them.

Completely agree, and this should be taped to STR8UP's forehead for two days.

 

[STR8UP]

but since 98% of women operate on a sliding scale of morality in your world, i fail to understand what you are waiting for? i would think given such perpsective the logical course of action would be to say 'ah, f*ck waiting for the right one, i'll just take miss right now."

I might have been able to shake the AFC out of me quite a while ago, but i never gave up being a "nice" person.

I'm fighting the urge to play with the saem rule book that I see others using, but it's not easy, and I don't think I can keep up being the one who tends to get the short end of the stick because I take other people's feelings into account.

 

[STR8UP]

Well, STR8UP, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU, homie.

But I believe YOU believe you.

And WHY is this so difficult to believe?

 

[joekerr31]

I might have been able to shake the AFC out of me quite a while ago, but i never gave up being a "nice" person.

I'm fighting the urge to play with the saem rule book that I see others using, but it's not easy, and I don't think I can keep up being the one who tends to get the short end of the stick because I take other people's feelings into account.

see this is what pisses me off about you str8up. you are a nice guy. but you've got your head up your *ss with this utterly pessimistic (although youd call it realistic) outlook on people.

all i can tell you, as i have before, is that i do understand why you have it and where you are coming from. but id rather you put your energies into changing your outlook on life as opposed to simply abandoning the 'nice' side of yourself.

im not a big star wars fan, but the zen notion of the light side and dark side of the force does apply to life. both exist. there are great women out there.

if i was down there, first i'd slap you a few times as punishment for your recent fascination with the dark side. then i'd drag you to a f*cking museum or something with a bit of culture to it and play your wing man.

we'd have you hooked up with a decent woman in no time.

 

[ketostix]

And WHY is this so difficult to believe?

I think it's a case where the adage applies: You can always tell a woman but you can't tell her much.

Str8up I know exactly where you are coming from. You're seeing it's almost impossible to be a stand up guy of integrity in a world full of phonies and people with no integrity. However, Joekerr has a point, despite knowing the score you do seem to have a lot of conflict with you're own values in going in for the "kill". I mean wouldn't you admit you have to take action one way or the other once you decide whether or not to "play the game like a woman"? Or maybe I'm reading too much into it.

 

[ketostix]

there are great women out there.

if i was down there, first i'd slap you a few times as punishment for your recent fascination with the dark side. then i'd drag you to a f*cking museum or something with a bit of culture to it and play your wing man.

we'd have you hooked up with a decent woman in no time.

But Joekerr hors go to the museum and church etc. I'd like to believe there's "quality" women out there, but my experience, and I'm quessing Str8up's, is virtually all of what few quality women are out there are taken or have a que of men lined up for the moment they are single. Any woman can be quality if you let her tell you it, or you bury your head in the sand. I'm not str8up but my experience is similar and I'm sure a lot of other guys in the know have the same experience. Why are we not finding examples of quality women? To me a quality woman is just a woman who is strongly interested and attracted to a particular guy for a finite time. Emphasis on finite.

 

[iqqi]

I think you need to have mikeyikes teach you the art of a good Target facial product aisle pick up.